Genetics

[Panderim]

Alright so I've been trying to read up on our genetics just for general knowledge purposes. What I've been able to deduce so far is that the Qabil shit is a myth (as everyone already knows) but we do have significant West Asian ancestry, around 40%. http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/a ... en.1004393 - This is most likely from 10-20,000+ years ago though than anything recent. I've seen multiple studies that have shown Horners have around 40-50% West Asian admixture.

I'm confused because a lot of 23andme results I've seen from some Somalis comes back 97-99% East African. Is it something in the methodology of 23andme that's restrictive? http://dienekes.blogspot.de/2012/12/23a ... ition.html - From reading that does seem to be the case. Basically, they use a bunch of horners as references and declare them "Sub-saharan/East African" then depending on how near you are to that reference group you're declared 95%+ Sub-saharan/East African. Seems pretty flawed.

Please don't make dumb comments like "why do you care about DNA"/"are you trying to claim Arab" etc, I'm Somali and a proud one, I've never claimed anything else. Regardless of any ancient admixture, we're still Somali and ingenious to Somalia so it doesn't make difference. But, like everyone you get curious about your people and their history so I'm just trynna read up on ours. That's all. Nothing more.

[QuantumSatis]

In general, humans are all related. Some are more related to each other genetically. The reason you are labeled East African is because that is where Somalis live now. The results follow where your people are found. It doesn't mean you share blood with the rest of East Africans outside Oromo and Rendille.

You can compare this Genetic Chart below to other maps and do some more studies. 23andme results point out that the Somali haplogroup is found primarily in the Iberian Peninsula(Spain and Portugal), Southern Italy, Greek and the Balkan Countries. Pure Arabs have different genetics not similar to Us Somalis.





This is from A European lineage website.

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogrou ... -DNA.shtml

[QuantumSatis]

Note: North African means Berber and not Arabs.

[Itrah]

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23andMe's 'East African' is not a full Negroid cluster. It is a Horn African cluster. So, Somalis are 98% Horn African, but that is comprised of 55% Negroid and 45% Caucasoid.

If you look at 23andMe's global PCA instead of the percentage thing, you will see that Somalis cluster in between Europe and Sub-Saharan Africans. They do not cluster with pure Sub-Saharan people as the percentage tool might fool one into believing that.

Indians similarly test as 100% South Asian on 23andMe, but the academic literature clearly suggests they are actually 50% West Asian from the Aryan invasions. It seems like 23andMe does not test for ancient admixture, but only recent.

The academic studies like Hodgson's study are more accurate in this regard.

[Basra-]

From the chart I gather we are ALL descendants of Ethiopians. That will make sense. Even North African originate from Ethiopia, which is more staggering.

[zumaale]

What I've been able to deduce so far is that the Qabil shit is a myth (as everyone already knows)

Based on what findings?

No comprehensive research has been done on Somali Qabils sadly. Furthermore, 23andme results have shown that there is a shared haplogroup among members of certain clans and in the case of my subclan, it cannot be coincidental that most members that have taken the test belong to the same haplogroup. So do not be quick to dismiss Qabil yet.

[QuantumSatis]

^ First you have to be Somali to belong to one of many Somali clans right? Somalis have the opposite thinking. Which one comes first? being Somali or belonging to a qabiil?

[zumaale]

The traditional account is that 'ethnic' Somalis descend from Samaale but not all that claim to be Somali descend from that patriarch. Hence, a Samaale identity precedes the formation of Qabils if we go by that tradition.

[Xamud.]

Somalinimo precedes Qabiilnimo only in name but in reality qabiil comes first, you only have to look at the state of Somalis to see that.

[QuantumSatis]

Somalinimo precedes Qabiilnimo only in name but in reality qabiil comes first, you only have to look at the state of Somalis to see that.

Then don't follow the Somali convention of what is and isn't and be your own man. Go against society if society is wrong instead of towing the line. That is how you change your people. Be the change you want to see happen.

Who cares what Somalis think if they are wrong on an issue? I would rather be one single correct man facing a nation than settle for less than I know is right.

Middle finger to society when I am right.