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SaciidAyanleh wrote:
RoobleAlWaliid wrote:Here the reply you have been itching for, walle waa yaab.
SonofANomad wrote: These pro-gay people attacked They doctor and threw hate death threats at home so he had retract!

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He was outcasted by the psychiatrics community and hate from gay supportere

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Nothing disproved his study gay people are not born !
Son, post a link please! You're still claiming the Jewish, Faggot Cabal is behind his retraction and you probably got that from a hate site. Plus, my article has quotes from the author of the study and yours is some guy speaking for him. The man has Parkinson's disease and is worried about his legacy, he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history and science.

Are you aware of the details of Dr. Spitzer's study? I'll give you a moment to familiarize yourself with them. There is no scientific value to it at all, it is weak in both concept and procedure and never actually concludes what you are claiming. He didn't attempt follow ups with his subjects nor did he account for self-deception (which is apparently normal procedure in these kinds of questionnaire studies.)

His study didn't prove anything to begin with, it was terrible science and he is ashamed of his professional misconduct. At the end of the day, he was probably paid handsomely by the Conversion Therapy industry for his betrayal.
Frail and aged, a giant apologizes
A leading figure in the study of homosexuality recently recanted his belief that some gays can change. There was no need to apologize, says a Dutch psychologist.
- See more at: http://www.mercatornet.com/articles/vie ... LdhPG.dpuf
In any case, Dr Spitzer has not said that his observations and impressions about change in the individuals he interviewed were false, or that they had lied to him. In his article, he himself brought up this hypothesis, but he was convinced what he heard was on the whole reliable.

His retraction does not change his results and his results are the only thing that counts. This whole retraction affair is in fact merely a question of media manipulation, not a matter of science. Some nuclear scientists may have regretted their work when they saw its consequences in the field of nuclear weaponry. However the knowledge they acquired was not affected by their regret.

This is what he had to say when the study came out:
The problem with most of the stories is they raised the issue of choice. Of course sexual orientation is not a matter of choice.


https://books.google.com/books?id=EGMEA ... al&f=false
That statement was made prior to the study. The study was conducted in 2003 and what you have is a magazine from june 2001. EPIC FAIILL!!

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LMAO, the "study" came out in 2001 the article came out a month later. Do some simple research before you think you've won something.
In May 2001, Robert Spitzer presented Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation", a study of attempts to change homosexual orientation through ex-gay ministries and conversion therapy, at the American Psychiatric Association's convention in New Orleans.
In 2012, Spitzer renounced[99][100] and retracted this study, stating "I was quite wrong in the conclusions that I made from this study. The study does not provide evidence, really, that gays can change. And that’s quite an admission on my part."[65][101][102][103]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversio ... ntation.3F

And you love Wikipedia, too, I can't believe you missed this :lupe:
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SaciidAyanleh wrote:LMAO, the "study" came out in 2001 the article came out a month later. Do some simple research before you think you've won something.
In May 2001, Robert Spitzer presented Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation? 200 Participants Reporting a Change from Homosexual to Heterosexual Orientation", a study of attempts to change homosexual orientation through ex-gay ministries and conversion therapy, at the American Psychiatric Association's convention in New Orleans.
In 2012, Spitzer renounced[99][100] and retracted this study, stating "I was quite wrong in the conclusions that I made from this study. The study does not provide evidence, really, that gays can change. And that’s quite an admission on my part."[65][101][102][103]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversio ... ntation.3F

And you love Wikipedia, too, I can't believe you missed this :lupe:
Never linked or used wikipedia before on this site, only books studies & articles , videos yet you seem to assert it hmmm.. strange :lupe: maybe its one of your lame ways to try gun for my credibility as opposed to the facts & arguments i bring :steviej:

but even your own wikipedia link says he published it in 2003 it says presented it not published or reviewed it.
In 2003, Spitzer published the paper in the Archives of Sexual Behavior. Spitzer's study has been criticized on numerous ethical and methodological grounds, and "press releases from both NGLTF and HRC sought to undermine Spitzer's credibility by connecting him politically to right-wing groups that had backed the ex-gay movement."[105] Gay activists argued that the study would be used by conservatives to undermine gay rights.[5] 109]
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Check your sources
BORN OR BRED?
Science Does Not Support the Claim
That Homosexuality Is Genetic


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In any case, Dr Spitzer has not said that his observations and impressions about change in the individuals he interviewed were false, or that they had lied to him. In his article, he himself brought up this hypothesis, but he was convinced what he heard was on the whole reliable.

His retraction does not change his results and his results are the only thing that counts. This whole retraction affair is in fact merely a question of media manipulation, not a matter of science. Some nuclear scientists may have regretted their work when they saw its consequences in the field of nuclear weaponry. However the knowledge they acquired was not affected by their regret
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Nonetheless nothing changes the results of the study nor has does it have any impact on the observations and impressions of the individuals interviewed since he hasnt commented on it. Regret doesnt change the legitimacy


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LMAO!!
Dont become to desperate my son, It was presented in 2001 but published in 2003 , reviewed in 2002. What he says without adressing specifically about the results of the individuals doesnt change it, the study is proof that you can change your orientation.
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So the thesis, procedure and conclusions were presented in 2001? You like to look up the definitions of simple words, here's another to add to your list: "semantics."

And, the point remains unchallenged that at the same time the study was already completed, Spitzer was adamant that "Of course sexual orientation is not a matter of choice." :lupe:

Now, I don't expect much critical thought from you, seeing as you parrot the opinion of one man not even acquainted w/ Spitzer, nor do I expect a genuine debate.

You still failed to even respond to my point, so I'll just copy and paste:
Plus, my article has quotes from the author of the study and yours is some guy speaking for him. The man has Parkinson's disease and is worried about his legacy, he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history and science.

Are you aware of the details of Dr. Spitzer's study? I'll give you a moment to familiarize yourself with them. There is no scientific value to it at all, it is weak in both concept and procedure and never actually concludes what you are claiming. He didn't attempt follow ups with his subjects nor did he account for self-deception (which is apparently normal procedure in these kinds of questionnaire studies.)

His study didn't prove anything to begin with, it was terrible science and he is ashamed of his professional misconduct. At the end of the day, he was probably paid handsomely by the Conversion Therapy industry for his betrayal.
You can't say the evidence still stands when the evidence is flimsy.

Good day, young lad. Continue to educate yourself, because education is the key.
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P.S. it was never reviewed
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SaciidAyanleh wrote:So the thesis, procedure and conclusions were presented in 2001? You like to look up the definitions of simple words, here's another to add to your list: "semantics."

And, the point remains unchallenged that at the same time the study was already completed, Spitzer was adamant that "Of course sexual orientation is not a matter of choice." :lupe:

Now, I don't expect much critical thought from you, seeing as you parrot the opinion of one man not even acquainted w/ Spitzer, nor do I expect a genuine debate.

You still failed to even respond to my point, so I'll just copy and paste:
Plus, my article has quotes from the author of the study and yours is some guy speaking for him. The man has Parkinson's disease and is worried about his legacy, he doesn't want to be on the wrong side of history and science.

Are you aware of the details of Dr. Spitzer's study? I'll give you a moment to familiarize yourself with them. There is no scientific value to it at all, it is weak in both concept and procedure and never actually concludes what you are claiming. He didn't attempt follow ups with his subjects nor did he account for self-deception (which is apparently normal procedure in these kinds of questionnaire studies.)

His study didn't prove anything to begin with, it was terrible science and he is ashamed of his professional misconduct. At the end of the day, he was probably paid handsomely by the Conversion Therapy industry for his betrayal.
You can't say the evidence still stands when the evidence is flimsy.

Good day, young lad. Continue to educate yourself, because education is the key.
it was presented 2001then published it with conclusion in 2003 . Since the title of the study presented at first was more or less a question not a conclusion. But dont see how it matters anyways. i dont look up definitions i present people who lack in language skills or comprehensions definitions ( your are pract example of that), in a way im helping you boost your vocabulary , simple words indeed goo figure who knew you struggled that much being a native english speaker.

The article having him retraction or not is irrelevant as he failed to say that his observations and impressions about change in the individuals he interviewed were false, or that they had lied to him. He didnt so what we have is his study saying that he was convinced what he heard was on the whole reliable.

The man has parkisons disease! exactly one more reason for his retraction being somewhat invalid and irrelevant. Somoene with a diseasse's statement is credible to you then him being healthy & running many years prior?

Anyways it doesnt matter since the results stand since the guy failed to adress the people he interviewed, it is not scientific at all.

The study proves people can change their sexual orientation my brotha. unless you have a statement of him saying that his observations and impressions about change in the individuals he interviewed were false, or that they had lied to him, unless you can get me that. it still stands.

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Read the article again, https://books.google.com/books?id=EGMEA ... al&f=false, the findings were presented in 2001, as well. If you're not familiar with the life cycle of a research study, even after it's concluded it takes a while, even years, to be published. I'm glad I could give you some more life lessons today.

As a native English speaker, your posts are painful to read.
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Anyways it doesnt matter since the results stand since the guy failed to adress the people he interviewed, it is not scientific at all.

So, are you admitting his work is "not scientific at all"? I don't understand you, go back to your country or your English class.
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SaciidAyanleh wrote:Read the article again, https://books.google.com/books?id=EGMEA ... al&f=false, the findings were presented in 2001, as well. If you're not familiar with the life cycle of a research study, even after it's concluded it takes a while, even years, to be published. I'm glad I could give you some more life lessons today.

As a native English speaker, your posts are painful to read.
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Anyways it doesnt matter since the results stand since the guy failed to adress the people he interviewed, it is not scientific at all.

So, are you admitting his work is "not scientific at all"? I don't understand you, go back to your country or your English class.
Now, look at you becoming desperate qouting me out of context. i see my comment hit home according to the butthurt reactionary answer i recieved. :troll:
His retraction does not change his results and his results are the only thing that counts. This whole retraction affair is in fact merely a question of media manipulation, not a matter of science.
His retraction was not a matter of science.

oh btw regarding your link, Zero mentions of the observations and impressions about the change in the individuals he interviewed were false or that they lied to him. pluss it is an article before he published his study along with his conclusion.

Soo the results from the individuals he interviewed still stands people can change their sexual orientation, :shaq:

As Non Native english speaker your Level of Reading comprehension Is sickening, you should be ashamed. :ufdup:
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Oh, thank you. If you require more time to write your posts due to language difficulties, take the time. You don't have to respond so quickly.
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SaciidAyanleh wrote:Oh, thank you. If you require more time to write your posts due to language difficulties, take the time. You don't have to respond so quickly.
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Ps. Sexual orientation can be changed as proved by the results from the study conducted by spitzer , observations & impressions about the change on the individuals interviewed, which has not been revoked or retracted.
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TheMightyNomad wrote: Ps. Sexual orientation can be changed as proved by the results from the study conducted by spitzer , observations & impressions about the change on the individuals interviewed, which has not been revoked or retracted.
LMAO, you're too stupid to realize that is the fault of the researcher alone, making the study and its findings utterly flawed and useless. You'll learn these things in school eventually, scientific method, research methods and procedures, due diligence, etc.
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SaciidAyanleh wrote:
TheMightyNomad wrote: Ps. Sexual orientation can be changed as proved by the results from the study conducted by spitzer , observations & impressions about the change on the individuals interviewed, which has not been revoked or retracted.
LMAO, you're too stupid to realize that is the fault of the researcher alone, making the study and its findings utterly flawed and useless. You'll learn these things in school eventually, scientific method, research methods and procedures, due diligence, etc.
Oh how cute! :Obama:

Again, nothing revokes the results of the interviewed subjects. the results of what counts not his un scientific retraction. Find me one place he says that the change he observed and the impression on the individuals were false or a lie. if you cannot .then you my sir have a nada case.

like the valid point the well known dutch psychiatrists made with the example Some nuclear scientists may have regretted their work when they saw its consequences in the field of nuclear weaponry. However the knowledge they acquired was not affected by their regret.

which is what it is since he failed to mention and anything about the interviewed subjects being false and all we have is his study saying that what he heard was on a whole is reliable.

Like i said the results on the subjects conducted & interviewed proves that humans can change their sexual orientation.
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If you can, take a Psychology class in school. It'll clear up all of your misunderstandings.

"Nothing revokes the results," I guess the "results" are accepted by major Psychological and Psychiatric associations? These irrefutable "results" are taught in schools and are distributed in textbooks?

We're back to the Faggot-Jewish Cabal again, sxb.

It's laughable that you think you're a troll. How many Twitter followers are you down to now? Or are you a follow4follow typa fellow? :notsure:
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psychology class? you should take one since your so adament against a proclaimed dutch psychiatrist , apperantly a forum dveller like you is more credible then a professional. his point stands and so does his arguments.

just another invalid bickering, Nothing provided about the results of the individuals being revoked, not talking abotu anyother segment of the study only the results of the individuals conducted.You know, about the change results of the individuals care find me a statement from him that revokes it.

Yeah they are very much accepted like i said results matter and not unscientific retractions. I tell you what is also accepted by the major psychological and psychiatric institution political motivated pro gay agendas & withdrawel. Homosexuality was removed from the diseasse book not because they had sufficient evidence but for political reasons. goo figuree.

Perhaps like i highlighted up above reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strongest.

You can call him names could care less doesnt change much as i am actively just focusing on the study & not him.

oh the classic SaciidAyanleh style personal attack at the end, my god your love for Ad hominems. Seems like you would lose in a debate competition as you dont direct much at the arguments or the facts being provided and only the individual as a away to undermine their credibility.

I wish you internal peace Saaxiib. :smugruss:
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