HSM 'To Be Impeached'......

[gedo_gurl]

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Good news.

[26June1960]

Dream on. Hassan Shiekh is here to stay another 5 years at the bare minimum.

[gedo_gurl]

Warsheekh.... Insha Allah

26June1960,

For one second step back and ask yourself why you support this man. Somalia has had one good president and that was before the kacaan. Every administration since that one has been an unmitigated disaster. Think for yourself.

[Osob101]

Gedogurl

Did u just say one good president before the Kacaan?

[gedo_gurl]

Until we find out who ordered/was the mastermind of the massacre in what's now Somaliland, as a Muslim and a Somali I have to distance myself from MSB....I don't hold him accountable though because as I said, I don't know if he ordered it or not.

[26June1960]

Warsheekh.... Insha Allah

26June1960,

For one second step back and ask yourself why you support this man. Somalia has had one good president and that was before the kacaan. Every administration since that one has been an unmitigated disaster. Think for yourself.

Somalia had three good presidents, Adan Cade, Abdirashid and Jaalle Siyaad. That's it. I am not a fan of Hassan Shiekh, just stating the reality. The Mogadishu-based "government" is on life-support provided by AMISOM and International Aid donors. It's not a legitimate government that can stand on it's two feet, like the two autonomous states of Puntland and Somaliland. If the International community is serious about reviving Somalia, they would first forcefully unite Puntland and Somaliland, move the capital to one of those areas and from there built a national army, national police force and other governmental institutions, while AMISOM eradicates the remnants of Al Shabaab in southern portions of Somalia.

AMISOM would not be needed once a 30,000 to 40,000 well equipped Somali armed forces is established.

[gedo_gurl]

I disagree with very litte of what you've just said....I just want to know why you support HSM when he's not a leader in any sense of the word.

Uniting Puntland and Somaliland would only serve Puntland, if that....Somalis all want a democracy so force should not play a role here. We should respect Somaliland's self determination and we should focus more on supporting Khaatumo state, which is respecting their path to self determination. Clan factionalism is destructive but if everyone is playing that game, lets see it play out in a democratic federal setting.

[gedo_gurl]

The SNA needs strengthening but even that should begin as a set of regional forces with an agreement that under certain circumstances, regional forces should/can unite to support one another, and then return to their regions after the operation has ended. This approach will avoid clans storming into each other's region using the SNA as a cover.

[26June1960]

I disagree with very litte of what you've just said....I just want to know why you support HSM when he's not a leader in any sense of the word.

Uniting Puntland and Somaliland would only serve Puntland, if that....Somalis all want a democracy so force should not play a role here. We should respect Somaliland's self determination and we should focus more on supporting Khaatumo state, which is respecting their path to self determination. Clan factionalism is destructive but if everyone is playing that game, lets see it play out in a democratic federal setting.

I just said I am not a fan of Hassan Shiekh. Do you not comprehend? How is uniting Puntland and Somaliland uniting serving only Puntland? HOW? The reality is both Puntland and Somaliland receive aid from the same donors. If those donors are honest about reviving Somalia, they would bring Puntland and Somaliland in one table and unite them, make them to form a unity government representing Somalia. It's real simple. These two autonomous states have created peace and stability (apart from few years of clan warfare here and there) while the south went into chaos.

Respecting Somaliland's self-determination? So, you don't care whether Somalia disintegrates into 10 mini-countries or whether it stays as one, right? Then why talk about Somalia if you don't really give a fuck about Somalia's territorial integrity?

[gedo_gurl]

Because Somaliland wants independence and Puntland is a regional state in Somalia which is not seeking independence. If you want to unite Somalis then you have to leave force behind and begin investigating the reasons behind the formation of these mini states. Somaliland has not emotionally moved on from the events of late eighties, they still see the Somali National Army as a dangerous force. Why don't we respect their feelings/experiences and instead of forcing them to leave independence behind, why don't we show them that Somalia is a better option by investigating the army of that time and bringing people closure? This should be done throughout Somalia, the entire civil war needs a full on investigation and whoever endorsed clan based massacres should be brought to justice. Even in this forum you'll find the children or grandchildren of people who were killed by one warlord or another...but no President post war has yet to arrest them and therefore they've failed and they'll continue to fail (and Somaliland will continue to be a better option for that region) until certified warlords are arrested instead of given top jobs.

[Xildiiid]

Lol, as usual these fake nationalists have to mention Somaliland.

For your information, Somaliland's quest for regaining it sovereignty started in 1961. In other words, it precedes Afweyne Barre, his kacaan regime and the atrocities committed in the 80's.

Secondly, Somaliland was never part of Somalia so the idea that Somalia's future is tied to the path that Somaliland takes is not only ridiculous, it's stupid.

[26June1960]

gedo_gurl - In other case, you don't speak for Somalia, I don't speak for Somalia and no Somali can claim to represent Somalia. In retrospect, there is no Somalia and never has been a Somalia. If a disgruntled clan could simply say "fuck Somalia, we secede", not only do they have every right to do so, but we have to respect their wishes, according to you. Speaking of warlords, you fully support your uncle Barre Hiiraale, a very well known warlord. Will you distance yourself from him as you have distance yourself from Jaalle Siyaad?

The reality - Somalia needs two options: International Community forcing Somalis to create a unity government or full disintegration of Somalia.

[gedo_gurl]

Xildiid....Somaliland united with Somalia....there might have people who rejected the union, but that does not mean that the union never existed, unless I live in a parallel universe to you.

26June1960... Borders between Somalis don't bother me....it shows the world that we're not the threat to each other that most people believe, it stops clashes turning into wars too. Somalis in NEP and Somali Galbeed don't have that luxury....I'm not into the very border which defines Somalia because my grandparents are not included in this picture, just my parents and I. Somaliland's independence does not matter to me because its something they decided and so far no-one has tried to take them back by force, which is the very essence of Somalinimo.....Somalis in Kenya and Ethiopia get planned famines and genocides whenever they speak up and assert their right to self determination.

[mahoka]

How did they manage to bring somaliland into a thread about hsm, cuqdad is sad thing