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The Reformation, Explained

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Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.” ― H.L. Mencken,

Much-needed article that speaks truths that needed to be said; yaa rayt, if only our scholars could speak with such clarity & conviction instead of worrying about who is putting what organ in which orifice, or obsessing over the fact that someone, somewhere, is actually having fun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html
Islamic orthodoxy, which controls mosques and institutions worldwide, is out of step with the world in which the majority of Muslims live. In few places is orthodox Islam independent of the state; it is often a political tool used by authoritarian regimes, which explains why the Muslim intelligentsia does not respect it. Its hallmark is archaism in theology and ethics, and its reach covers most of the global community of faith. Once a robust intellectual tradition, today Islamic orthodoxy is in serious need of a makeover. Mainstream theologians who cater to the majority of lay Muslims, both Sunni and Shiite, are unable to address such critical moral and theological challenges as evolution, gender and sexuality, or the role and meaning of sharia in a modern nation. That’s because theological education is steeped in ancient texts with little attention to reinterpretation.
a dogmatic, context-less, rigid, uber-literalist(fabricated 'hadith' says runaway slave are hell-bound; u disagree? Gaal baa tahay!) understading and interpreation that has led to failure, disaster, bloodshed, and misery, and tragedy throughot the centuries starting within year's of Nabiga's death.
Groups like the Islamic State propound antiquated teachings still held to be true by many orthodox authorities. These include enslaving prisoners of war and taking female prisoners as concubines. Because mainstream Islam has not truly defused these theological hand grenades by explaining how they apply to the modern world, groups like the Islamic State and disaffected followers like Rashid can view these dangerous teachings as Islam’s true ideals
The stark, abundantly-evident, grossly-clear, FAILURE, of Sunni Orthodoxy(not, as the writer mistakenly puts it "mainstream Islam". Islam has nothing to do with century-long codified racism & misogyny, & sectarian oppression). If clerics/scholars/shuyoukh in the 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th centuries had done their jobs properly, instead of, i don't know, sacab-tuming for whatever fucktard that seized power by the sword, the Muslim world would not be scraping the bottom of every measurable metric for development, progress, and yes, morality. Before we can move forward, before we can extricate ourselves out of this swampy morass, we have to come to terms and acknowledge this failure.
My old friend’s new approach blends Salafism and millenarianism(za Mahdi will save us!!!), a lethal combination. Salafism rejects any interpretation of scriptural sources. In this sense, Salafism is to sharia as formaldehyde is to a dead body. It prevents decomposition but also creates the illusion that the body is alive. But a sharia that truly lives would help Muslims adapt to a changing world.
Islam is a timeless, universal religion; a dynamic, ever-growing, ever-evolving faith that empowers its adherents to embrace change, progress, and development, not shy away from it. Unfortunately, however, human beings with caqli-dugaag who reject reason & logic in favor of dogma & tradition will be hard-pressed to accept a Reformation that sweeps away the nonsense of the past.
Meanwhile, Rashid explains his millenarianism in his last message, which contends that the conflict in Syria is the last heroic war — the final standoff between Islam and its adversaries. This philosophy draws on Muslim apocalyptic literature that says Jesus will return to Syria to combat the forces of evil just before the end of the world.
You know, when Shaykh Hyper recently stated that the whole concept of the Mahdi/Messiah was Shia fiction, and that the Return of Jesus is, likewise, israa'iiliyaat and has no basis in Islam, ....i didn't know what to think, because my understanding was that the Mahdi and 2nd coming of Nabi Iisa were ........but with hindsight, I can see how this messianic fatalistic mentality can lead people to stupidity, victim-mindset, conspiracy theory, and just plain caqli-dugaag'nimo, since everything can be excused away and justified with: za Mahdi will save us, with an Army of Trees(like LOTR) and za Jesus will come down and Muslims will be victorious again!!!!!!!!

I still haven't completed my research on the whole Mahdi/Nabi Eesa saga, but if the evidence agrees with Shaykh Hyper's position, that it's all creative fiction, then I will abandon what I was taught since I was a kid and agree with Shaykh Hyper's position. For those of you with literalist caqli-dugaag, take some notes, the islamic mind always seeks truth in the form of reasoned-evidence.
There are few alternatives to this pressing challenge in Islamic thought because many among the guardians of orthodoxy, the ulama, believe too in the sharia-in-formaldehyde approach. Ordinary clerics are reluctant to replace the medieval rulings on blasphemy, apostasy and captives with new interpretations of Islamic law based on current realities. So a credible and sophisticated narrative of Islam remains out of the reach of most Muslims. In my view, a doctrinal overhaul is the best long-term antidote to the radicalism and senseless interpretations that masquerade as Islam.
100% co-sign, there has never been a greater need for a Reformation, a grand sweeping overhaul of all the religious, cultural, & societal pollution that has been passed down through the centuries, pollution that has been falsely attributed to our deen. This means we, Muslims of the 21st century, will have to go head-to-head with the Sunni Orthodoxy and all of it's fearsome weapons: a) damnation: Thou shalleth burn in Hellfire for eternity, O ye Innovator! b) ostracization: salaanta lagaama qaadayo and your marriage is null & void c)

The Islamic State outlook does not threaten only groups like the Yazidis, Jews, Christians and Shiites. It poses an even greater threat to Islam. As long as mainstream Muslim authorities keep Islamic learning in formaldehyde, they make it easier for many more like Rashid to head for the violent apocalyptic theaters of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.

I don’t doubt Rashid’s sincere intention to live a pious life any more than I did when we studied together. But he was able to embrace the Islamic State as its lodestar only because Islamic orthodoxy has not offered a humane alternative.
grand opening, grand closing. The failures of the Sunni Orthodoxy, in particular, literalist-dogma, is directly responsible not just for the modern-day horrors of extremism, but also the horrors that happened in centuries past
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I didn't read all that, but are you advocating for LGBT run Mosques or female imams leading prayers etc?
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HayWire wrote:I didn't read all that, but are you advocating for LGBT run Mosques or female imams leading prayers etc?
whenever I hear the word reform Image

Of course not, and that suggestion is basically a smear. What is being reformed is not Islam(Islam is and always will be perfect), what is being reformed is our understanding, interpretation, and implementation of Islam.

For example:

Sunni Orthdoxy: Slavery is halal because it is in the Quran and various hadith, therefore, anybody who says Slavery is haram is a kaafir, as they think they know better than our Creator.

The Reformation: Slavery is an immoral abomination which was supposed to be eradicated gradually, but the Muslims, including the Companions, failed in their duty to end slavery, just as they failed on other matters(like not starting a civil war for power), the end result being the horrific Arabian slave-trade which lasted longer(1400), and was objectively worse(systematic castration), than the Atlantic slave trade. Slavery has perished from the earth and nobody can bring it back, not even the Mahdi himself.

I agree that the word Reformation has negative connotations, and I'm not too big on it either as a word-choice, but that's all we got. Come up with a better word if you can, Reinterpretation? Correctification?

the bottom line is: virtually every 'big name' scholar cannot/willnot criticize slavery in fear of being called a heretic, and if they do critisze it, it is via mealy-mouthed tip-toe'ing apologia; so if you would rather listen to "big name" scholar rather than "internet-dude leftist", well then, accept-garay that you too support slavery, in the name of literalist-dogma & century-long tradition.
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HayWire wrote:I didn't read all that, but are you advocating for LGBT run Mosques or female imams leading prayers etc?
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It's intended to be controversial, shocking and playing to an audience other than us.
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^^ the irony of a french-poodle, who is happy being a french-poodle, posturing in defense of Islam.

Don't you have a French officer to entertain, possibly at your home "guriga hagaajiya, marti culus baan soo wadaa caawa"
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ignorant, pompous, egotistical, supercilious cun't.
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Leftist wrote:^^ the irony of a french-poodle, who is happy being a french-poodle, posturing in defense of Islam.

Don't you have a French officer to entertain, possibly at your home "guriga hagaajiya, marti culus baan soo wadaa caawa"
really, and you want to be taken seriously?

akhlaqdada ba sidan ah. war hana baran.
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Hyperactive wrote:
Leftist wrote:^^ the irony of a french-poodle, who is happy being a french-poodle, posturing in defense of Islam.

Don't you have a French officer to entertain, possibly at your home "guriga hagaajiya, marti culus baan soo wadaa caawa"
really, and you want to be taken seriously?

akhlaqdada ba sidan ah. war hana baran.
Something about my statement hit a nerve.

Gaalo who join this site have more respect for Islam and us Somali members. He goes out of his way to be offensive which led me to the conclusion that his playing to an outside audience.
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Hyperactive wrote:
Leftist wrote:^^ the irony of a french-poodle, who is happy being a french-poodle, posturing in defense of Islam.

Don't you have a French officer to entertain, possibly at your home "guriga hagaajiya, marti culus baan soo wadaa caawa"
really, and you want to be taken seriously?

akhlaqdada ba sidan ah. war hana baran.
You do know that the french-poodle troll has called me a kaafir twice in the past 2 weeks, right? And I ignored it both times because troll gonna troll?

thread successfully hijacked/ note to self: don't feed trolls, especially kuwa ku abtirsada af-Fransiis.
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Re: The Reformation, Explained

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You desperate attention seeking pretentious twat.

I take back the kafir which is a compliment to the likes of you, but munaafiq describes you best.
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attention seeker twat!
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Mic....Testing....Testing.....I love this thread! The hilarious post exchanges are cracking me uppppp!
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My goodness what is wrong with these trolls?? :wtf:


Interesting article. I'm glad he touched upon the apocalyptic ahadith being the reason for people emigrating to Syria. That profusion of ahadith talking about the emergence of'Sufiyani' in Syria who will massacare an army from Khorasan[Shiites/Iran], how a Khaliph from the line of the Nabi will rule the World etc etc, is what's lead these people to think the end is nigh and that hijrah is a must to these lands. This is the real reason people are flocking there as opposed to Libya for example. Unfortunately nothing anyone says will ever matter to them because according to them they have Bukhari & Muslim on their side.
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Re: The Reformation, Explained

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What many interpretations of Islam lack is فقه الواقع "Jurisprudence of reality".Particularly Khawaarij groups like Daesh and Al-Shabaab tend to ignore the texts of Quran and Hadith that go against their Lust and Ego driven goals.

On the Issue of Slavery, its important to conjure up the state of the Arabian peninsula back in the Prophet's days. You had whole portions of the population described as slaves and many of which are the progeny of generations of slaves. Slavery was an important drive to the economy from providing cheap and reliable labour to being an important market on its own. Immediate freeing of Slaves would have spelled Social and Economic disasters on the whole region. Islam has devised a way to gradually get rid of this social injustice by making freeing a slave a form of repenting for numerous sins and generally a good deed to perform. Same as the way Alcohol was made Haram . and something people always tend to forget is how much the prophet peace be upon him stressed on treating your slaves right, even on his death bed the prophet (peace be upon him) some of his last advises for the ummah before he departs were
“The prayer, the prayer! And fear Allaah with regard to those whom your right hands possess. in other words slaves.


What needs Reformation is not Islam, its the Muslims. We live in age where Islam's greatest scholars are declared apostates , I.E qardawi.. and cult sheikh-wannabees are raised to the level of sahaba by some. We have rift forming between those who want to abide by real merciful teachings of Islam and those who are misled yet frightened by the word reform (The muslims)...Religion is becoming business and interest much like everything else the assumption that many scholars are shying away from condeming the Khawarij reminds me of a funny story they used to say about Muqdisho and Guurka Cagaaran!! ;)

A sheikh once attempted to say that going to cagaaran to get married (getting certain distance away from girls wali) is Haram and a moryan came to him and asked, Sheikh am I a bastard?...The sheikh grinned and said mayanee Ha la yara fogeeyo ayaan lahaa magaalkii waa fiday oo hadeer muqdisho iyo cagaaran waa isku soo dhawaadeen...!!
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