Recep Tayyip Erdogan

[Machiavelli2]

Is Erdogan a Machiavellian who is only interested being at the helm of power? Previously, he has moulded Turkish and Kurdish religious conservatives to support his party. At the recent elections in June 2015, to stoke up Turkish nationalist sentiment, he has angered the religious conservative Kurdish people who used to vote for the Justice Development Party and overwhelmingly, they voted for a party dominated by Kurds which has challenged Erdogan’s own ambitions to consolidate power as president. The JDP lost its majority of the parliament and failed to create a coalition government. Is this the beginning of the end of Erdogan and his party?

[Basra-]

I just finished watching a Youtube historical documentary about Machiavelli ---highly interesting. I cant believe he live in the 16th century with that knowledge of human nature!

[GAMES]

I like the guy, but I disagree with his policy towards the Kurdish minority in the country.

They should get more autonomy and more seats in the Turkish parliament.

[TheLoFather]

I like the guy, but I disagree with his policy towards the Kurdish minority in the country.

They should get more autonomy and more seats in the Turkish parliament.

Do you feel the pains of laagaabnimo?

[Machiavelli2]

I like the guy, but I disagree with his policy towards the Kurdish minority in the country.

They should get more autonomy and more seats in the Turkish parliament.

Games

Ina Adeer, Erdogan established himself to be a formidable leader in the modern Turkish history. He achieved this feat by appealing to the masses, poor, villagers and religious conservatives regardless of their ethnicity. Accordingly, he has delivered economic advancement for his supporters as Turkey prospered. However, since the fallout of the Syrian crisis, he has wrong footed his Kurdish supporters who had little or no allegiance to the main Kurdish parties and the rebels like the PKK. He has shown no interest in aiding the Syrian Kurds when they were on the brink of annihilation by ISIS. He closed the Turkish border and refused these Syrian Kurd refugees entering Turkey. This has caused anger and distress among his Kurdish supporters and abandoned his Party en masse. His party failed to control the parliament for the first time. He has called for fresh elections and the latest polls conducted indicate his party still lacks an outright majority. Is this the end of the legendary Erdogan? Will he go before Asad of Syria? Time will tell.

[GAMES]

Machiavelli2, agree with you sxb...but Turkey is an important country with over 77 million inhabitants. Its also part of NATO and other very important organizations. I just think Erdogan should play ball with his Kurdish minorities.

He has done alot for Turkey as far economics is concerned and everything.

But c'mon, its 2015, at least give 'em something.

[Estarix]

I think Erdogan is intelligent and balanced leader.
He does have flaws, I can understand some people's frustrations with him. Although it's important to keep the Kurds from seceding (as they occupy a good portion of anatolia), i dislike his methods sometimes.
What i like the most are his policies of supporting the more moderate opposition in Syria. Also, he stands against Putin actions in Syria and Iran's support to the houthis in Yemen.

[GAMES]

LooL the Kurds aren't going to secede. For them to break away, they would have to secure land from Iraq, Iran, and Syria.

Turkey has nothing to be afraid of, but at least give your minorities some rights and Xaquuqul insaanimo.

Thats where the Turks went wrong, in my opinion anyways.

[FAH1223]

Erdogan is playing a dangerous game in the region

He should be more concerned with his economy.

[GAMES]

More so than Russians violating his airspace?

[FAH1223]

More so than Russians violating his airspace?

He let ISIS in through his border, he bombs the Kurds

He's an idiot with regards to the damage he's caused in the region.

The Russians should be the least of his worries

[Estarix]

More so than Russians violating his airspace?

He let ISIS in through his border, he bombs the Kurds

He's an idiot with regards to the damage he's caused in the region.

The Russians should be the least of his worries

That concerns him as his country is part of the region and is directly affected by the conflict in Syria unlike the Russians who should keep their noses out of the middle East and stick to Ukraine.

[Estarix]

LooL the Kurds aren't going to secede. For them to break away, they would have to secure land from Iraq, Iran, and Syria.

Turkey has nothing to be afraid of, but at least give your minorities some rights and Xaquuqul insaanimo.

Thats where the Turks went wrong, in my opinion anyways.

There is a threat if Kurds manage to seccede (as unlikely as it may be) from Iraq and Syria, and then set up a state. Chances are this state will support kurdish secession ambitions in Turkey. This is why Erdogan is assisting ISIS in defeating the Kurds in Syria.

[Machiavelli2]

LooL the Kurds aren't going to secede. For them to break away, they would have to secure land from Iraq, Iran, and Syria.

Turkey has nothing to be afraid of, but at least give your minorities some rights and Xaquuqul insaanimo.

Thats where the Turks went wrong, in my opinion anyways.

There is a threat if Kurds manage to seccede (as unlikely as it may be) from Iraq and Syria, and then set up a state. Chances are this state will support kurdish secession ambitions in Turkey. This is why Erdogan is assisting ISIS in defeating the Kurds in Syria.

Estarix

Ina Adeer, you made a valid point there (so is Fah123) Erdogan miscalculated his priorities by showing ISIS the other cheek, letting their supporters cross the border into Syria, bombing the Kurdish strongholds like Kobane and refusing entry to Turkey the Syrian Kurdish refugees. Now the Turkish economy is weak, ISIS is targeting Turkish soldiers and police, rejects the idea for an exit plan for Assad and to let him rule in the short term, has increased his local political foes and is powerless to stop Putin's planes targeting the Syrian armed opposition he supports or the Russian planes violating Turkish airspace because he had previously refused to play Obama's and NATO's tune. They rejected his proposal to create no fly zones in Northern Syria. Erdogan is in a weak position locally and globally except that he knows Europe is in a weak position and desperately needs him to stop the flow of Syrian refugees from Turkey into the continent. He has agreed yesterday to tighten his borders in exchange that Europe will resettle 500,000 Syrians from Turkish refugee camps. He is very vulnerable at home and Putin has weakened his image as a tough leader and all he could say about Putin was, "Russia has no borders with Syria, but I have a 911 km-long border. I'm disturbed with what is happening now".

[LobsterUnit]

He is worshipped in muqdisho