The Hidden History - The Khazar Empire

[gegiroor]

[X.Playa]

Kazars are good at taming Arabs, they can count on my help anytime in their war against the goat molesters.

[gegiroor]

Arabs and Muslims will have the last laugh. No question about it! Besides, this video is educational and Sheikh Imran Hossein is explaining the Islamic prophecies that have been fulfilled here, and insha'Allah many more that will be fulfilled.

Of course, if you're not a Muslim, you would not understand the context in that video and events unfolding right in front of us.

I will share the many non-Muslims scholars who came to the same conclusions!

[Grant]

Gegi,

As far as anyone can tell, it was only the two kings and some of the Khazar elite that converted to Judaism. It was strictly a political deal so they didn't have to ally with either Byzantium or the Ummayads. There is no significant level of Mongoloid DNA in any modern Jewish population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

"In 965, as the Qağanate was struggling against the victorious campaign of the Rus' prince Sviatoslav, the Islamic historian Ibn al-Athîr mentions that Khazaria, attacked by the Oğuz, sought help from Khwarezm, but their appeal was rejected because they were regarded as 'infidels' (al-kuffâr:pagans). Save for the king, the Khazarians are said to have converted to Islam in order to secure an alliance, and the Turks were, with Khwarezm's military assistance repelled. It was this that, according to Ibn al-Athîr, led the Jewish king of Khazar to convert to Islam.[134]
Genetics

Antropological researches detected that Khazars were mixed Caucasoid-Mongoloid people. [238][239]
Claims of Khazar ancestry

Khazar origins for, or suggestions Khazars were absorbed by many peoples, have been made regarding the Slavic Judaising Subbotniks, the Bukharan Jews, the Muslim Kumyks, Kazakhs, Nogais,[citation needed] the Cossacks of the Don region, the Turkic-speaking Krymchaks and their Crimean neighbours the Karaites to the Moldavian Csángós, the Mountain Jews and others.[19][20][21] Turkic-speaking Crimean Karaites (known in the Crimean Tatar language as Qaraylar), some of whom migrated in 19th century from Crimea to Poland and Lithuania have claimed Khazar origins. Specialists in Khazar history question the connection.[240][241] Scholarship is likewise sceptical of claims that the Tatar-speaking Krymchak Jews of the Crimea descend from Khazars.[242]
Ashkenazi-Khazar theories
Main article: Khazar theory of Ashkenazi ancestry

Several scholars have suggested that the Khazars did not disappear after the dissolution of their Empire, but migrated West to eventually form part of the core of the later Ashkenazi Jewish population of Europe. This hypothesis is greeted with scepticism or caution by most scholars.[243][244][245]

....The Khazar-Ashkenazi hypothesis came to the attention of a much wider public with the publication of Arthur Koestler's The Thirteenth Tribe in 1976.[269] which was both positively reviewed and dismissed as a fantasy, and a somewhat dangerous one. Israel's ambassador to Britain branded it "an anti-Semitic action financed by the Palestinians", while Bernard Lewis claimed that the idea was not supported by any evidence whatsoever, and had been abandoned by all serious scholars.[269][270] Raphael Patai, however, registered some support for the idea that Khazar remnants had played a role in the growth of Eastern European Jewish communities,[271] and several amateur researchers, such as Boris Altschüler (1994)[240] and Kevin Alan Brook,[272] kept the thesis in the public eye. The theory has been occasionally manipulated to deny Jewish nationhood.[269][273] Recently, a variety of approaches, from linguistics (Paul Wexler)[274] to historiography (Shlomo Sand)[275] and population genetics (Eran Elhaik, a geneticist from the University of Sheffield)[276] have emerged to keep the theory alive.[277] In broad academic perspective, both the idea that the Khazars converted en masse to Judaism, and the suggestion they emigrated to form the core population of Ashkenazi Jewry, remain highly polemical issues.[278]...

The hypothesis of Khazarian ancestry in Ashkenazi has also been a subject of discussion in the new field of population genetics, wherein claims have been made concerning evidence both for and against it. Eran Elhaik argued in 2012 for a significant Khazar component in the paternal line based on the study of Y-DNA of Ashkenazi Jews, using Caucasian populations, Georgians, Armenians and Azerbaijani Jews as proxies.[276] The general response to such a position is dismissive, arguing that, if traces of descent from Khazars exist in the Ashkenazi gene pool, the contribution would be quite minor,[294][295][296][297][298] or insignificant.[299]

According to Nadia Abu El-Haj, the issues of origins are generally complicated by the difficulties of writing history via genome studies and the biases of emotional investments in different narratives, depending on whether the emphasis lies on direct descent or on conversion within Jewish history. The lack of Khazar DNA samples that might allow verification also presents difficulties.[300]

The Jewish people are Caucasoid people and Mongoloid component is not major haplogroup for them. ...."

[gegiroor]

Gegi,

As far as anyone can tell, it was only the two kings and some of the Khazar elite that converted to Judaism. It was strictly a political deal so they didn't have to ally with either Byzantium or the Ummayads. There is no significant level of Mongoloid DNA in any modern Jewish population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

"In 965, as the Qağanate was struggling against the victorious campaign of the Rus' prince Sviatoslav, the Islamic historian Ibn al-Athîr mentions that Khazaria, attacked by the Oğuz, sought help from Khwarezm, but their appeal was rejected because they were regarded as 'infidels' (al-kuffâr:pagans). Save for the king, the Khazarians are said to have converted to Islam in order to secure an alliance, and the Turks were, with Khwarezm's military assistance repelled. It was this that, according to Ibn al-Athîr, led the Jewish king of Khazar to convert to Islam.[134]
Genetics

Grant, there was only one king at the time of conversion by Khazars to Judaism - and not many kings. Here is the what Arthur Koestler, the author of the Thirteen Tribe, quoted from the Arab and Muslim historian Al-Masudi's writings:

In this city [Khazaran-Itil] are Muslims, Christians, Jews and pagans. The Jews are the king, his attendants and the Khazars of his kind. *[i.e., presumably the ruling tribe of "White Khazars", see above, Chapter I, 3.] The king of the Khazars had already become a Jew in the Caliphate of Harun al-Rashid*[i.e., between AD 786 and 809; but it is generally assumed that Masudi used a convenient historical landmark and that the conversion took place around AD 740.] and he was joined by Jews from all lands of Islam and from the country of the Greeks [Byzantium]. Indeed the king of the Greeks at the present time, the Year of the Hegira 332 [AD 943-4] has converted the Jews in his kingdom to Christianity by coercion.... Thus many Jews took flight from the country of the Greeks to Khazaria....3a

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/13trib02.htm

The emphasis here in Al-Masudi writings is the King, his attendants, and Khazars of his ethnicity were all Jews. Keep in mind that the people we are interested in this topic are the select group of the tribes who had converted to Judaism and where they eventually end up since Khazaria does not exist today.

Here are other sources that allude to that fact:

ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA: "A few scholars have even asserted that the Judaized Khazars were the remote ancestors of many of the Jews of eastern Europe and Russia."

JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA (1906): "Many (Khazars) intermingled in the Crimea with the local Jews; the Krimtschaki are probably their descendants-perhaps some of the Subotniki also.... Some went to Hungary, but the great mass of the people remained in their native country. Many members of the Khazarian royal family emigrated to Spain."

UNIVERSAL JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA (1945): "Descendants of the Khazar Jews are believed to have migrated to Kiev and other parts of Russia."

ENCYCLOPEDIA JUDAICA (1973): "Groups have been mentioned as migrating to Central Europe from the East or have been referred to as Khazars, thus making it impossible to overlook the possibility that they originated from within the former Khazar Empire. The Turkish-speaking Karaites [Jews] of the Crimea, Poland, and elsewhere have affirmed a connection with the Khazars, which is perhaps confirmed by evidence from folklore and anthropology as well as language. There seems to be a considerable amount of evidence attesting to the continued presence in Europe of descendants of the Khazars."

[Grant]

Gegi,

From the Wiki article:

"Khazaria developed [61] a Dual kingship governance structure, typical among Turkic nomads, consisting of a shad/bäk and a qağan,.[62] The emergence of this system may be deeply entwined with the conversion to Judaism.[63] According to Arabic sources, the lesser king was called îšâ and the greater king Khazar xâqân; the former managed commanded the military, while the greater king's role was primarily sacral, less concerned with daily affairs. The greater king was recruited from the Khazar house of notables (ahl bait ma'rûfīn) and, in an initiation ritual, was nearly strangled until he declared the number of years he wished to reign, on the expiration of which he would be killed by the nobles.[64][65][66][67] The deputy ruler would enter the presence of the reclusive greater king only with great ceremony, approaching him barefoot to prostrate himself in the dust and then light a piece of wood as a purifying fire, while waiting humbly and calmly to be summoned.[68] Particularly elaborate rituals accompanied a royal burial. At one period, travellers had to dismount, bow before the ruler's tomb, and then walk away on foot.[69] Subsequently, the charismatic sovereign's burial place was hidden from view, with a palatial structure ('Paradise') constructed and then hidden under rerouted river water to avoid disturbance by evil spirits and later generations. Such a royal burial ground (qoruq) is typical of inner Asian peoples.[70] Both the îšâ and the xâqân converted to Judaism sometime in the 8th century, while the rest, according to the Persian traveller Ahmad ibn Rustah, probably followed the old Tūrkic religion."


Again, there is NO significant level of Mongol DNA in any modern Jewish population. Historical guesses made prior to the advent of DNA analysis don't count for much.

[Itrah]

This Khazarian stuff has been debunked by the latest studies.

Don't believe this bullshit anti-Jewish crap.

[LobsterUnit]

This Khazarian stuff has been debunked by the latest studies.

Don't believe this bullshit anti-Jewish crap.

Yeah,the Jews of Europe are from the Middle East.incredible,how they remain to their homeland.meanwhile,Somalis and bedouins cling to some khazar conspiracy theories.

[gegiroor]

P.S. Grant, the below statements are not applicable to you!

Well, the verses and hadiths who explain these events are definitely not 'Conspiracy Theories' as some are throwing it around here. The people who came to these conclusions are imminent Islamic scholars who have conducted the research and analysis in the Holy Quran and hadiths that explain these events, and not some laymen relaying what they hear from others.

• • • • • The World Order of Gog and Magog

• • • • • By: Maulana Imran Nazar Husain (Trinidad)

There is another more ominous and mysterious reference to Jerusalem as simply a ‘town’ in the following passage of the Qur’an: “And there is a ban on (the people of) a town which We destroyed (and the inhabitants were expelled) that they (i.e., the people of the town) shall not return (to reclaim the town) until Gog and Magog are released and they (eventually) descend from every height or spread in every direction.” (Qur’an, al-Anbiyah, 21:95-96)

When then descend from every height, or spread out in every direction they, in effect, assume control over the world and rule the world in the World Order of Gog and Magog.

The return of the Israelite Zionist J'ews to the Palestine confirms that Y’ajuj (Gog) and M’ajuj (Magog) have already been released, have already descended from every height, or have already spread out in every direction, and therefore have already taken control of the world. The World Order which today rules over the world is the World Order of Gog and Magog. Indeed it is Gog and Magog who made the return of the Zionists to the Palestine possible.

At the very heart of the grand design for the Islamic world and Middle East region must be the control over wealth and over Water of the Muslim countries. Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) has explained the link between Dajjal and Riba, and between Gog and Magog and water as mentioned in Ahadith.

The Zionist Israelite Jews have returned to Palestine. That return could not have been possible without modern western civilization (in which Britain and USA played the most conspicuous role). And hence it is also now clear that not only did Dajjal, the False Messiah, sally forth from the island of Britain, but in addition, that Gog and Magog are located within European civilization.

The final success of an essentially godless (secular) Europe in occupying Palestine in 1917-8, this being achieved after a sustained Euro-Christian effort which had commenced almost 1000 years earlier with the Crusades.

The European Jews (Ashkenazi Jews or Khazari Jews) who comprise about 90 per cent of Jews in the world brought the Palestinian Sephardic Jews back to Palestine but did not themselves ‘return’ to Palestine since they were never there at anytime before - they simply settled in the Holy Land of Palestine.

Why would a European people (Ashkenazi Jews or Khazari Jews) convert to Judaism and then be obsessed with the mission of occupying Palestine and bringing the Palestinian Sephardic Jews back to Palestine ‘by hook or by crook’?

There are blue-eyed blond-haired Europeans (Ashkenazi Jews or Khazari Jews) who converted to Judaism once upon a time and who share no such descent from Abraham (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam). The opinion of this writer, and Allah Knows best, is that the original Gog and Magog are definitely located somewhere within the ranks of such European (Ashkenazi or Khazari) Jews. Gog and Magog overturned Christian European civilization and transformed it into the present godless civilization. Gog and Magog established the Zionist movement and the Zionist State of Israel.

“And there is a ban on (the people of) a town (Jerusalem) which We destroyed: that they (the people of the town) shall not return (to reclaim their town) until Gog and Magog are released and (eventually) they descend from every height (or spread out in every direction).” (Qur’an, al-Anbiyah, 21:95-96)

For example in Surah Banu Israil the Qur’an declared that it was the destiny of Banu Israil that they would commit Fasad (i.e., destructive corruption) in the Palestine (al-Ard al-Muqaddasah) on two occasions.

“And We gave (clear) warning to the Children of Israel in the Book that twice would they commit Fasad on ‘the land’ and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!” (Qur’an, Banu Israil, 17:4)

At the very heart of the Qur’anic view of the destiny of Jerusalem, and of the Palestine, is the declaration that when the final count-down in the Last Age arrives Jews would be gathered in Palestine from the Diaspora in which they were broken up and dispersed, and to which they had been consigned, and would be brought back to Palestine as a ‘mingled crowd’ (Qur’an, Banu Israil, 17:104).

Islam explains that this Israel possesses no religious legitimacy. Rather, those Jews were deceived in the greatest act of deception history has ever witnessed, and the stage is now set for the Jews to receive the greatest Divine punishment ever inflicted upon any people. But before Jew’s final divine punishment takes place, there is great drama which is yet to unfold in Palestine.

When Allah Most High chose one land Palestine and made of it a Holy Blessed Land and then guided Abraham (‘alaihi al-Salam) to migrate to that Land, the Divine purpose or plan was that the Palestine should function as the ‘litmus test’ of Truth. Only the religion of Abraham (‘alaihi al-Salam) could survive in the Holy Land.

The Jews changed and rewrote the Torah to legalize and make it permissible for them to lend money on interest.
The proof that the word ‘earth’ or ‘land’ in this context refers to the Palestine is to be found in the Qur’anic text that declared that the Israelites Jews would commit Fasad (awesome oppression and wickedness) in the ‘earth’ or ‘land’ on two occasions: “And We gave (clear) warning to the Israelites in the Book, that twice would they commit Fasad (corruption and awesome oppression) on the earth and be elated with mighty arrogance (and twice would they be punished)!” (Qur’an, Banu Israil, 17:4)

The historical record confirms that the Jews were expelled time and again, by divine decree, from Jerusalem and Palestine. Many of the Sephardic Israelite Jews (who are not European) readily admit that they brought upon themselves repeated Divine expulsions from the Palestine because of their sinful ways. The essentially godless secular European Zionists, the Ashkenazi or Khazari Jews refuse to accept such a fact.

The Surah recounted (at least) two occasions when the Israelite people so betrayed the religion of Abraham (‘alaihi al-Salaam) and the standard of righteous conduct that Allah Most High expelled them from Palestine, the Holy Land.

On the first occasion in 587 BCE, a Babylonian army led by Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to Jerusalem, then burned the city, murdered its inhabitants, destroyed the Masjid built by Solomon (‘alaihi al-Salaam) in Jerusalem, and carried the cream of the Jewish population into slavery in Babylon (Iraq).

The godless Israelite Jews killed Zakariah (‘alaihi al-Salaam) in the Second Solomon Temple (Masjid) in Jerusalem, John (Yahya) (‘alaihi al-Salaam), his son, was killed by deception by the godless Israelite Jews.

Finally they boasted of how they killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary (but Allah, the All-Powerful, saved him from death): “That they said (in boast): We killed the Messiah, Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah; but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.” (Qur’an, al-Nisa, 4:157)

It was after this that Allah Most High punished them for the second time. A Roman army led by General Titus besieged Jerusalem in 70CE. Titus destroyed the city of Jerusalem, murdered the inhabitants and expelled the remnant of Jews from the Holy Land. The Second Temple (Masjid) of Solomon was again destroyed and soldiers tore it apart, stone by stone, in search of melted gold exactly as Jesus (‘alaihi al-Salaam) had warned and prophesied "not one stone will be left upon another; all will be thrown down."'

(See Qur’an, Banu Israil, 17:4-7): When the Jews worshipped the ‘Golden Calf’ while Moses (‘alaihi al-Salaam) was on Mt. Sinai, and when they changed the Torah and rewrote it to make Halal that which Allah had made Haram, and when they boasted of how they had killed the Messiah, the son of Mary, these constituted the most heinous incidents in their continuous betrayal of their Covenant with Allah.

Zionist Jewish religious scholarship recognize a Jewish relationship with the Palestine, the city of Jerusalem, and the Temple of Solomon (‘alaihi al-Salaam), to be matters connected with the very substance of ‘faith’. As a consequence of that belief they concluded that the religion of Judaism would forever remain incomplete unless and until Jews returned to a liberated Palestine, establish the State of Israel with Jerusalem as the capital of that State, and reconstruct the Third and the Last Temple of Solomon (‘alaihi al-Salaam) in the place of Masjid al-Aqsa.

The Holy Qur’an affirms that Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam), and those who follow him, are the true followers of the religion of Abraham: “Without doubt, among men, the nearest of men to Abraham (i.e., closest to him in respect of following his religion), are those who followed him, as are also this Prophet (i.e., Muhammad) and those who believe (i.e., believe in him and in the Book which was revealed to him): and Allah is the Protecting Friend of those who have Faith.” (Qur’an, Ale ‘Imran, 3:68)

After seventeen months had elapsed since the arrival of Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam) in Madinah it became clear that the Jews in Madinah and Arabia had not only rejected him as a Prophet, and rejected the Holy Qur’an as the Word of Allah, but were conspiring to destroy Islam. It was at this time that Allah, Most High, responded as follows: - He changed the Qiblah (turn from Jerusalem, turn to Makkah

He also sent down revelation making ‘fighting’ (Qital) and ‘fasting’ (Saum) compulsory! All three revelations came down in the same month of Shaban.

Holy Prophet Muhammad (sallalahu ‘alaihi wa sallam), he went on to convincingly defeat a arrogant Jewish people who insisted that they were the ‘chosen people’ of the God of Abraham.

The world today is witnessing the beginning of the end for the Impostor State of Israel! Today the godless Euro-Zionist Israel already possesses enough nuclear and thermo-nuclear weapons to be ranked as a superpower. When the US dollar goes down it would bring down the entire world of paper money with it.

It is impostor Zionist Israel’s destiny that it will be subjected to the same divine punishment that it experienced twice before. The first divine punishment came in the form of a Babylonian army that destroyed the Jews and their state in Palestine. The second time it was a Roman army. And the third and last time it would be a Muslim army which would soon in the near future will destroy the impostor Zionist State of Israel.


Insha’Allah, Ameen.
Reference:
Jerusalem in the Holy Qur’an
By: Maulana Imran Nazar Husain (Trinidad)
Published by Masjid Dar al-Quran,
Long Island, New York, USA,

[gegiroor]

Grant, in the below quotes - which are small sections of the correspondence that was between the Jewish Chief Minister of the Caliph of Cordoba in Muslim Spain and in Iberian (Today's Portugal) Peninsula Hasdai Ibn Shaprut and King Joseph of the Khazar Kingdom - King Joseph is making very clear to Minister Hasdai that he was not a descent of one of the 12th tribes, but a difference race who went through a conversion, and he has provided a brief story of how the cinversion took place.

We now turn from the principal Arab source on the conversion - Masudi and his compilers - to the principal Jewish source. This is the so-called "Khazar Correspondence": an exchange of letters, in Hebrew, between Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, the Jewish chief minister of the Caliph of Cordoba, and Joseph, King of the Khazars or, rather, between their respective scribes. The authenticity of the correspondence has been the subject of controversy but is now generally accepted with due allowance made for the vagaries of later copyists.*[A summary of the controversy will be found in Appendix III.] .The exchange of letters apparently took place after 954 and before 961, that is roughly at the time when Masudi wrote. To appreciate its significance a word must be said about the personality of Hasdai Ibn Shaprut - perhaps the most brilliant figure in the "Golden Age" (900-1200) of the Jews in Spain. .In 929, Abd-al-Rahman III, a member of the Omayad dynasty, succeeded in unifying the Moorish possessions in the southern and central parts of the Iberian peninsula under his rule, and founded the Western Caliphate. His capital, Cordoba, became the glory of Arab Spain, and a focal centre of European culture with a library of 400000 catalogued volumes. Hasdai, born 910 in Cordoba into a distinguished Jewish family, first attracted the Caliph's attention as a medical practitioner with some remarkable cures to his credit. Abd-al-Rahman appointed him his court physician, and trusted his judgment so completely that Hasdai was called upon, first, to put the state finances in order, then to act as Foreign Minister and diplomatic trouble-shooter in the new Caliphate's complex dealings with Byzantium, the German Emperor Otto, with Castile, Navarra, Arragon and other Christian kingdoms in the north of Spain. Hasdai was a true uomo universale centuries before the Renaissance who, in between affairs of state, still found the time to translate medical books into Arabic, to correspond with the learned rabbis of Baghdad and to act as a Maecenas for Hebrew grammarians and poets. .He obviously was an enlightened, yet a devoted Jew, who used his diplomatic contacts to gather information about the Jewish communities dispersed in various parts of the world, and to intervene on their behalf whenever possible. He was particularly concerned about the persecution of Jews in the Byzantine Empire under Romanus (see above, section I). Fortunately, he wielded considerable influence at the Byzantine court, which was vitally interested in procuring the benevolent neutrality of Cordoba during the Byzantine campaigns against the Muslims of the East. Hasdai, who was conducting the negotiations, used this opportunity to intercede on behalf of Byzantine Jewry, apparently with success.14 .According to his own account, Hasdai first heard of the existence of an independent Jewish kingdom from some merchant traders from Khurasan in Persia; but he doubted the truth of their story. Later he questioned the members of a Byzantine diplomatic mission to Cordoba, and they confirmed the merchants' account, contributing a considerable amount of factual detail about the Khazar kingdom, including the name - Joseph - of its present King. Thereupon Hasdai decided to send couriers with a letter to King Joseph. .The letter (which will be discussed in more detail later on) contains a list of questions about the Khazar state, its people, method of government, armed forces, and so on - including an inquiry to which of the twelve tribes Joseph belonged. This seems to indicate that Hasdai thought the Jewish Khazars to hail from Palestine - as the Spanish Jews did - and perhaps even to represent one of the Lost Tribes. Joseph, not being of Jewish descent, belonged, of course, to none of the tribes; in his Reply to Hasdai, he provides, as we shall see, a genealogy of a different kind, but his main concern is to give Hasdai a detailed - if legendary - account of the conversion - which took place two centuries earlier - and the circumstances that led to it. .Joseph's narrative starts with a eulogy of his ancestor, King Bulan, a great conqueror and a wise man who "drove out the sorcerers and idolators from his land". Subsequently an angel appeared to King Bulan in his dreams, exhorting him to worship the only true God, and promising that in exchange He would "bless and multiply Bulan's offspring, and deliver his enemies into his hands, and make his kingdom last to the end of the world". This, of course, is inspired by the story of the Covenant in Genesis; and it implies that the Khazars too claimed the status of a Chosen Race, who made their own Covenant with the Lord, even though they were not descended from Abraham's seed. But at this point Joseph's story takes an unexpected turn. King Bulan is quite willing to serve the Almighty, but he raises a difficulty:

Thou knowest, my Lord, the secret thoughts of my heart and thou hast searched my kidneys to confirm that my trust is in thee; but the people over which I rule have a pagan mind and I do not know whether they will believe me. If I have found favour and mercy in thine eyes, then I beseech thee to appear also to their Great Prince, to make him support me. .The Eternal One granted Bulan's request, he appeared to this Prince in a dream, and when he arose in the morning he came to the King and made it known to him....

In the letter from Minister Hasdai Ibn Shaprut, he concluded by asking King Joseph of Khazaria:

I feel the urge to know the truth, whether there is really a place on this earth where harassed Israel can rule itself, where it is subject to nobody. If I were to know that this is indeed the case, I would not hesitate to forsake all honours, to resign my high office, to abandon my family, and to travel over mountains and plains, over land and water, until I arrived at the place where my Lord, the [Jewish] King rules.... And I also have one more request: to be informed whether you have any knowledge of [the possible date] of the Final Miracle [the coming of the Messiah] which, wandering from country to country, we are awaiting. Dishonoured and humiliated in our dispersion, we have to listen in silence to those who say: "every nation has its own land and you alone possess not even a shadow of a country on this earth".

In King Jospeh's reply, he discusses the conversion to Judaism of his people about 2 centuries earlier but also its geography, the people who lived there, but also his (and their) ancestory. In his response, King Jospeh denies being a descendant of the 12th tribes, but actually being a descedant of Noah's third son, Japeth. Here is an explanation from Arthur Koestler - the author of the Thirtreen Tribe - on King Joseph's reply :

King Joseph's reply is less accomplished and moving than Hasdai's letter. No wonder - as Cassel remarks: 'scholarship and culture reigned not among the Jews of the Volga, but on the rivers of Spain". The highlight of the Reply is the story of the conversion, already quoted. No doubt Joseph too employed a scribe for penning it, probably a scholarly refugee from Byzantium. Nevertheless, the Reply sounds like a voice out of the Old Testament compared to the polished cadences of the tenth-century modern statesman. .It starts with a fanfare of greetings, then reiterates the main contents of Hasdai's letter, proudly emphasizing that the Khazar kingdom gives the lie to those who say that "the Sceptre of Judah has forever fallen from the Jews' hands" and "that there is no place on earth for a kingdom of their own". This is followed by a rather cryptic remark to the effect that "already our fathers have exchanged friendly letters which are preserved in our archives and are known to our elders".*[This may refer to a ninth-century Jewish traveller, Eldad ha- Dani, whose fantastic tales, much read in the Middle Ages, include mentions of Khazaria which, he says, is inhabited by three of the lost tribes of Israel, and collects tributes from twenty-eight neighbouring kingdoms. Eldad visited Spain around 880 and may or may not have visited the Khazar country. Hasdai briefly mentions him in his letter to Joseph - as if to ask what to make of him.] .Joseph then proceeds to provide a genealogy of his people. Though a fierce Jewish nationalist, proud of wielding the 'sceptre of Judah", he cannot, and does not, claim for them Semitic descent; he traces their ancestry not to Shem, but to Noah's third son, Japheth; or more precisely to Japheth's grandson, Togarma, the ancestor of all Turkish tribes. "We have found in the family registers of our fathers," Joseph asserts boldly, "that Togarma had ten sons, and the names of their offspring are as follows: Uigur, Dursu, Avars, Huns, Basilii, Tarniakh, Khazars, Zagora, Bulgars, Sabir. We are the sons of Khazar, the seventh..." .The identity of some of these tribes, with names spelt in the Hebrew script is rather dubious, but that hardly matters; the characteristic feature in this genealogical exercise is the amalgamation of Genesis with Turkish tribal tradition.*[It also throws a sidelight on the frequent description of the Khazars as the people of Magog. Magog, according to Genesis X, 2-3 was the much maligned uncle of Togarma.] .After the genealogy, Joseph mentions briefly some military conquests by his ancestors which carried them as far as the Danube; then follows at great length the story of Bulan's conversion. "From this day onwards," Joseph continues, "the Lord gave him strength and aided him; he had himself and his followers circumcized and sent for Jewish sages who taught him the Law and explained the Commandments." There follow more boasts about military victories, conquered nations, etc., and then a significant passage:

• After these events, one of his [Bulan's] grandsons became King; his name was Obadiab, he was a brave and venerated man who reformed the Rule, fortified the Law according to tradition and usage, built synagogues and schools, assembled a multitude of Israel's sages, gave them lavish gifts of gold and silver, and made them interpret the twenty-four [sacred] books, the Mishna [Precepts] and the Talmud, and the order in which the liturgies are to be said.

[gegiroor]

Gegi,

From the Wiki article:

"Khazaria developed [61] a Dual kingship governance structure, typical among Turkic nomads, consisting of a shad/bäk and a qağan,.[62] The emergence of this system may be deeply entwined with the conversion to Judaism.[63] According to Arabic sources, the lesser king was called îšâ and the greater king Khazar xâqân; the former managed commanded the military, while the greater king's role was primarily sacral, less concerned with daily affairs. The greater king was recruited from the Khazar house of notables (ahl bait ma'rûfīn) and, in an initiation ritual, was nearly strangled until he declared the number of years he wished to reign, on the expiration of which he would be killed by the nobles.[64][65][66][67] The deputy ruler would enter the presence of the reclusive greater king only with great ceremony, approaching him barefoot to prostrate himself in the dust and then light a piece of wood as a purifying fire, while waiting humbly and calmly to be summoned.[68] Particularly elaborate rituals accompanied a royal burial. At one period, travellers had to dismount, bow before the ruler's tomb, and then walk away on foot.[69] Subsequently, the charismatic sovereign's burial place was hidden from view, with a palatial structure ('Paradise') constructed and then hidden under rerouted river water to avoid disturbance by evil spirits and later generations. Such a royal burial ground (qoruq) is typical of inner Asian peoples.[70] Both the îšâ and the xâqân converted to Judaism sometime in the 8th century, while the rest, according to the Persian traveller Ahmad ibn Rustah, probably followed the old Tūrkic religion."


Again, there is NO significant level of Mongol DNA in any modern Jewish population. Historical guesses made prior to the advent of DNA analysis don't count for much.

Wait a minute, your quote initially mentioned the King of Khazar to be recruited from the Khazar house of notables (ahl bait ma'rûfīn) before they converted to Judaism. This is bogus and no historian every claimed it before. This is one of the main reason why Wikipedia is never a trusted and reputable source to use. Truth is the Khazars were pagans before their kings and his people converted to Judaism.

With respect to DNA, the conversion to Judaism took place in 740AD, and after the Khazar empire was defeated in the 13th century by Mongols, the Khazar took residence in other lands.

Again, there is NO significant level of Mongol DNA in any modern Jewish population. Historical guesses made prior to the advent of DNA analysis don't count for much.

Israeli Researcher Challenges Jewish DNA links to Israel, Calls Those Who Disagree 'Nazi Sympathizers'

The Genetic Literacy Project reports that the ongoing conflict between Israel and its neighbors over the origins of the “Jewish people” has surfaced again as an issue of great controversy—with science in the crosshairs.

It’s particularly troublesome when a scientist—in this case, an Israeli molecular geneticist whose motivations appear more personal and ideological than scientific—stokes the contretemps. The current brouhaha arises over a recent study by Eran Elhaik and is accompanied by his personal attacks on more mainstream scientists who have eviscerated his work. In the face of overwhelming evidence from dozens of studies over twenty years from geneticists and historians around the world, Elhaik is aggressively stumping on behalf of his belief that most Jews trace their seminal ancestry not to the Middle East but to the Caucuses and Eastern Europe.

Elhaik, who is now a post-doctoral researcher at Johns Hopkins, is recirculating the debunked “Khazarian hypothesis” promoted by journalist Arthur Koestler in his 1976 book, The Thirteenth Tribe, written before scientists had the tools to compare genomes and challenge his conclusion.
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The young Jewish researcher challenged the so-called “Rhineland hypothesis”—the broadly accepted genetic and historic evidence that about 80 percent of Jewish Ashkenazi males trace their ancestry to a core population of approximately 20,000 Eastern European Jews who originated in the Middle East. Elhaik wrote that the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century, although historians believe and genetic evidence confirms that only a fraction of the population converted, including almost certainly royalty and some members of the aristocracy.
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The rebuke of Elhaik’s study apparently has irked the beleaguered and brash researcher. He’s launched a new offensive—the double entendre is intentional—as chronicled in the Jewish Forward. Elhaik is now calling the world’s top geneticists “liars” and “frauds.” When I weighed in on the magazine’s discussion board, Elhaik responded with academic restraint, claiming my reporting was no better than the geneticists he trashed, saying it shared “common ground with the Nazism (sic) ideology.”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonentine/2 ... pathizers/

[GAMES]

The "Jews" conspiracy is getting old. I have been hearing about it for the longest time.

LooL if the Yahuudis are 35 million people, and they somehow rule over 7.3 billion of the world's population, then they are smart.

LooL whenever i goto RT, Pravda, Moscow Times and Sputnik, everyone is complaining about the damn Yahuudis.

Yaab.com

[gurey25]

Guys you are forgetting that the khazar empire was multi ethnic and multi religious.
The official religion was judaisim and this was just the ruling class,
the khazar language was also an introduced language a lingua franca not the native languages.


Imran hoseins theory is that they are native caucasian ethnic group that adopted khazar language and they assimilated not only the language but other ethnic groups too into the mix.

The khazar origin theory is not yet disproven.
this is a recent study.

http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61

there you go look up dr Dan Graur, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim and recently by Dr. Eran Elhaik (all Jews) who support the khazar theory.

so a good chunk of jews in isreal most of the ashkenazim are not jews, multi enthic converts, while the majority of palestinians who are not from arab tribes , more than half the population are probably the native population that converted to christianity, and then to islam mostly.

[gegiroor]

Guys you are forgetting that the khazar empire was multi ethnic and multi religious.
The official religion was judaisim and this was just the ruling class,
the khazar language was also an introduced language a lingua franca not the native languages.


Imran hoseins theory is that they are native caucasian ethnic group that adopted khazar language and they assimilated not only the language but other ethnic groups too into the mix.

The khazar origin theory is not yet disproven.
this is a recent study.

http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61

there you go look up dr Dan Graur, Dr. Ariella Oppenheim and recently by Dr. Eran Elhaik (all Jews) who support the khazar theory.

so a good chunk of jews in isreal most of the ashkenazim are not jews, multi enthic converts, while the majority of palestinians who are not from arab tribes , more than half the population are probably the native population that converted to christianity, and then to islam mostly.

[Grant]

Gurey,

This is from the Genetic Literacy Project:

http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2 ... to-israel/

"Elhaik, who is now a post-doctoral researcher at Johns Hopkins, is recirculating the debunked “Khazarian hypothesis” promoted by journalist Arthur Koestler in his 1976 book, The Thirteenth Tribe, written before scientists had the tools to compare genomes and challenge his conclusion.

The Khazarian myth was more recently recycled (to great applause by anti-Israeli activists and some pro-Palestinian groups) in no less convincing form by Israeli French historian Shlomo Sand in The Invention of the Jewish People, published in 2008—a book panned by both historians and geneticists.

Elhaik reengaged the faux controversy late last year when the Oxford journal Genome Biology and Evolution published his study, “The Missing Link of Jewish European Ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian Hypotheses.” The young Jewish researcher challenged the so-called “Rhineland hypothesis”—the broadly accepted genetic and historic evidence that about 80 percent of Jewish Ashkenazi males trace their ancestry to a core population of approximately 20,000 Eastern European Jews who originated in the Middle East. Elhaik wrote that the Khazars converted to Judaism in the eighth century, although historians believe and genetic evidence confirms that only a fraction of the population converted, including almost certainly royalty and some members of the aristocracy.

A paper published in 2000 by geneticists Harry Ostrer, a professor of genetics at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, and University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer showed that most Ashkenazis, Italians, North Africans, Iraqi, Iranian, Kurdish and Yemenite Jews share common Y-DNA haplotypes that are also found among many Arabs from Palestine, Lebanon and Syria. Only a small percentage of the Y-DNA of Jews originated outside of the Middle East—some in the Caucusus.

The competing Rhineland and Khazarian theories were most recently discussed by Ostrer in two studies published in 2012 and in his well received book, Legacy: A Genetic History of the Jewish People. He found that geographically and culturally distant Jews still have more genes in common than they do with non-Jews around them, and that those genes can be traced back to the Levant, an area including modern-day Israel. “All European [Ashkenazi] Jews seem connected on the order of fourth or fifth cousins, Ostrer has said.

The concept of the “Jewish people” remains controversial. The Law of Return, the Israeli law that established the right of Jews around the world to settle in Israel and which remains in force today, was a central tenet of Zionism. The DNA that links Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Mizrahi, three prominent culturally and geographically distinct Jewish groups, could conceivably be used to support Zionist territorial claims —except, as Ostrer has pointed out, some of the same markers can be found in Palestinians, distant genetic cousins of the Jews, as well. Palestinians, understandably, want their own ‘right of return’.

That disagreement over the interpretations of Middle Eastern DNA also pits Jewish traditionalists against a particular strain of secular Jewish ultra-liberals who have joined with anti-Israeli Arabs and many non-Jews to argue for an end to Israel as a Jewish nation. Their hero is the Austrian-born Shlomo Sand—and now Elhaik. His study gained buzz in neo-Nazi websites and radical anti-Israeli and more radical pro-Palestinian blogs. For example, the notorious former Ku Klux Klansman David Duke actually attacked Elhaik in his latest anti-Jewish rant—Duke’s anti-Semitic beliefs hang on the fact that Jews are genetically cohesive and conspiratorial. “The disruptive and conflict-ridden behavior which has marked out Jewish Supremacist activities through the millennia strongly suggests that Jews have remained more or less genetically uniform and have … developed a group evolutionary survival strategy based on a common biological unity — something which strongly militates against the Khazar theory,” Duke wrote in his blog in February.

While Elhaik’s work has provided ideological support for those seeking the destruction of Israel, it’s fallen flat among established scientists, who peer reviewed his work and found it sloppy at best and political at worst.

“He’s just wrong,” said Marcus Feldman of Stanford University, a leading researcher in Jewish genetics. “If you take all of the careful genetic population analysis that has been done over the last 15 years… there’s no doubt about the common Middle Eastern origin,” he said. He added that Elhaik’s paper “is sort of a one-off.”

“It’s an unrealistic premise,” said University of Arizona geneticist Michael Hammer, one of the world’s top Y-chromosomal researchers.

Discover’s Razib Khan did a textured critique in his Gene Expression blog, noting the study’s historical fuzziness and its selective use of data to come up with what seems like a pre-cooked conclusion. As Razib writes, it’s hardly surprising that we would find a small but sizable Khazarian contribution to the “Jewish gene pool”. In fact the male line of my own family traces to the Caucusus, suggesting I’m one of the 20 percent or so of Jews whose lineage traces to converted royal Khazarians. But that view is widely acknowledged by Ostrer, Hammer, Feldman, Michael Thomas and every major researcher in this area—as summarized in my book, Abraham’s Children: Race, Identity and the DNA of the Chosen People.

The rebuke of Elhaik’s study apparently has irked the beleaguered and brash researcher. He’s launched a new offensive—the double entendre is intentional—as chronicled in the Jewish Forward. Elhaik is now calling the world’s top geneticists “liars” and “frauds.” When I weighed in on the magazine’s discussion board, Elhaik responded with academic restraint, claiming my reporting was no better than the geneticists he trashed, saying it shared “common ground with the Nazism (sic) ideology.”