Globe,

[Quruxley]

Be real dude,A few supposedly drunken rants just because I wouldn't take you seriously isn't going to do anything to me.I mean,come on "harlot"?Even my 5 year nephew can swear better then that

You wanted me to answer "politely" as you put it to your plight ma'aha?
Ok this is my 2 cents and try not to steer the topic or add irrelevant gashin to the pot.If you do I will then as I did before disregard your reply and take great delight in taking the piss out of you.I also expect an apology too.


I believe that these so called public liberators such a Ayan Hirsi and Afdhere are melodramatic plonkers.They do ,to some extent have SOME form of applicable argument to bring forth ,a small amount of the time lakiin they fuck it up for EVERYONE when they lose all focus on the topic at light.They then blow everything out of proportion and use the feeble tactic of lies,blantant defamation such as blaiming Islam,men,men,men! and throwing all the maryooley into the same bloody melting pot.I mean where the hell is the praise due for all the excellent Somali muslim parents and their achievable offspring out there?

It makes me sick to my stomach because I just CANNOT comprehend people who dramatise and tart up their bullsh!t for the Non-Somali public to drool over.Nor can I stand fakers who only want attention from the non-Somali community.Is this Somalinimo?How do they sleep at night knowing they've just gone and practically spat in their mother's face and all she's worked for?
In turn if you disagree with them you are branded a "extremist","sheltered" or a "wahabbist".These are terms all used by yourself,Globe when someone has a differing opinion.

Where is the praise for all that is right with our community?!Is it that hard for you to accept a girl who claims her family didn't try to marry her off to some oday,encouraged her to pursue her dreams or if in fact her lower regions were NOT meddled with?

Secondly you claimed earlier that when you indeed decide to have offspring you will treat them the same despite their genders being different.Are you for real horta?You CANNOT do that.Whether you look at it from a physical perspective or a mental one ,it's scientifically impossible.The reasons as to why are endless and I know YOU know this Globe ,your just looking for controversy.If you mean as in terms of love then I agree.It has to be unconditional amongst other things.You need to be more specific and not make such big claims loosely!

Q

[Globetrotter-]

Quruxley, why didn't you write this instead of telling me to "stay away from your thread"??????

You deserved every word I wrote because you provoked me. I was polite and wanted a discussion but you started playing the player card, calling me names and asking me to stay away from a public thread.

It seems that you could not resist the popular urge on this site i.e. calling people who disagree with you names. I mentioned about the right of anyone to bleach their bodies if they deem it fit and all of a sudden you called me names.

I don't like the somali name being used to further any agenda be it a wahabist or a western one. I am a somali as you do and as such I have all the rights to voice my concern.

Indeed as you mentioned there is alot of negativity towards somalis from somalis including Mrs Hersi and Mrs Diiriye. They are trying to make a career out of our cultural constructs. They do have valid points including the inability of the somali culture to tackle social diseases and how the islamic faith is used to enhance an arab culture.

But, unlike you and many others I don't call them names or call for the execution. Instead, I give them credit where it is due while daring to condemn them in a human fashion.

I am going to treat my children in the same way; My parents; my friends etc without looking at their gender.

That is not something that I learned from Ayan or Weris. That is simply humanity.

There are somethings that I cannot be defended Quruxleey. These include parts of our culture and how our religion has been intepreted.

You live in the UK and on the 7/7 a few disgruntled wahabi influenced nutheads blew innocent women and men (many of them muslims into pieces). Dare you condemn them? Wasn't it wahabism and its culture of hatred that gave potency to this?

[Quruxley]

"It seems that you could not resist the popular urge on this site i.e. calling people who disagree with you names. I mentioned about the right of anyone to bleach their bodies if they deem it fit and all of a sudden you called me names."

Globe I told you to get out of my thread because you were in the wrong bloody topic!You were attaching me with an argument that had no substance in my thread.I agreed with you and if for one moment you read my opening post you would've seen the whole jist of it.Leave women to do what they want with their bodies and appreciate yourself.Hence the title "Love yourself"(!)Come on dude you cant be that ignorant.Misa you just skimmed through it and made the assumption that I'm against your stance?Typical...

Secondly you do owe me an apology, a big one.Who are you to call me a love or anything else for that matter?I never swore at you.I said you derail topics and dodge topics and that you do so dont even try denying it.

IF and indeed IF you learn to reply back to the right threads about the right topic that is being discussed at hand rather then derailing threads and shoving irrelevant shyt down people's throats then maybe you will get a rational reply.



Anyway in regards to your reply.You said.....

" They do have valid points including the inability of the somali culture to tackle social diseases and how the islamic faith is used to enhance an arab culture."

As you know Somalis do not face a 'unique' problem of conforming and adapting to new society.ALL racial groups that flee their native country are exactly the same.There for this is nothing new.Now, how people go about helping assist their fellow brethen in the diaspora is another subject which is what I'm stressing upon when I discuss Ayan Hersi and her ilk.

Myself, personally I have seen positive and dignified assistance as I live in a community with a large Somali population.Highlighting our problems is one thing,Dealing with them privately is the main key to success but what I fail to sympathise with is people like Hersi who blatantly pull out all the stops to defame and use the blaim game.Namely men and Islam.Now I'm not saying Somalis are perfect.Ofcourse they have their issues lakiin how you go about trying to sort out this problems is very important.

I hear about girls who go the Social services and lie to the government about how their parents performed FGM on them when they were younger and how they want to live away from them=Just so they recieve their own flat.Yes,FGM is bad and should be eradicated lakiin what the heck is that?Who does that after how many years runs to the gaalo and gives a sob story for ulterior self gain?What's left?The remains of you and your family's dignity gone.It's a Somali thing and we should deal with these issues privately.That's my point!

As for treating your daughters and sons equally.Elaborate please.You're not making any sense Globe,

[afdhere]

quruxleey,

did you say 'melodramatic'?

answer these questions please:

1) are you 'circumcised'... that because you have no enough space for the period to go through... that you isqurunted/infected... then died??

2) are you forced to marry? if not directly, have you had the "habaar iyo duco" deal yet? have you been given into marriage a man three times your age... ?

3) have you been refused to work... because your husband thinks that is not a right of a woman... ?

4) have you been beaten... and then told that it is required for you to be a good wife?

5) as a little girl, have you watched your brothers go to school... while you stood ... crying... because you were a girl?

6) have you been divorced... and then forced to marry an old man... because no one wants to marry an "(evil)" divorced woman?

7) have you been told you have to cover your face... because you are inciting men too much... because you are beautiful?

8 ) have you been stoned to death... because you married some guy in 'qudbosiro'... and after you got pregnant... he denied such marriage... ?

9) have you been told all of your life.. that the community of hell is mostly women... because women are ... well... evil?

10) have you?!?!?!?!?!!?


each and every one of these... has been the experience of somali women. if you are calling that "melodramatic" you are certainly... the many somali women... who have either no idea of the horrible existance of their sisters... because they are dhoocilo in the west... or because they have forgotten what is like....

in either way... i pitty you


afdhere

[Miss_Killa_Foodstampz]

Quruxleey Quruxleey Quruxleey God Bless U My Sitah That Was Real Talk

[dhuusa_deer]

Afdhere,

Don't wait for intelligible or honest answer from Quruxley. First, she deliberately and purposefully leaves whatever gray matter she has in her small brainpan on the below she wakes up from in the morning -- like alot of other somalis. Second, if we're lucky and she does have her brain with her when she replies, we won't be so lucky as to get an honest answer. You see for somalis self-deception is what justifies their continuall clinging to their culture, tradition, practices, certainties...that have been trascended and rendered virtually stupid, impractical, detrimental, primitive....

To give you an illustration of what I'm talking about, let me tell what happened here in Snet not long ago. There was a news story circulating in the cyber world, in particular Islamic cyber world. The story purported that Allah turned a girl into half human and there was evidentiary picture of the alleged creature. Most and I'm not exaggerating of Snet members bought the story as TRUE and not only that but argued probable by quoting the Quran and hadith. THose ppl weren't stupid, they were simply in denial of reality and were lying to themselves....just like they lie to themselves by not coming to the irrefutable conclusion that clanism is EVIL.

That is the sad state of somalis today. They cling on to certainties, practices, traditions that have been trancended by far more amiable, beneficial, more uniting as suppose to dividing, more productive, life enriching, life prolonging...

Great analogy of the present somali state is the man stuck at broken traffic light for 10 years. While the rest of the drivers around him look on quizzically and in dismay, there is the somali sitting in his car, proud and certain in his ways and totally rejecting the realities around him that disqualify everything he believes. He can't step on the gas not because he doesn't know the traffic light was red for 10 years but that the traffic light wasn't red at all.

Poor somalis. No mystery why they are so unproductive, fractious, hateful, always fighting of over petty issues...killing, raping, pillaging, looting, starving their own.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="Miss_Killa_Foodstampz"]Quruxleey Quruxleey Quruxleey God Bless U My Sitah That Was Real Talk [/quote]

what is your take on the issue Stampz. Let's hear from YOU, I know you got alot to say that we can all benefit from.

[afdhere]

dhuusa,

i have known quruxleey for a few years now. i do think she is progressive woman. a modern woman. but i do think she falls into the pit of many modern somali women: forgetting or not knowing the horrible things that are happening in our communities.

in boston, there was a somali woman... trafficked by her own husband... because she wanted to divorce him. in minneapolis, a young somali woman was brutally murdered by her husband because he thought she liked someone else. in san diego, a girl in her mid teens died of fgm ... because of an infection created by her menstruation (which did not have enough openining.) in seattle, there was a girl forced to marry a 65 year old man when she was only 17.

these are realities... for millions of women in the somali community-- even in the west. what happens is that somali women (like quruxleey)... then probably think it is too much and tune it out. out of sight, out of mind-- kind of a deal.

it is actually funny. i travel a lot. and i meet these western politicians who tell me the somali are really productive in their societies. what i have learned over the years is that somalis are productive, good, etc... towards others. but not to themselves.

tribalism is the biggest disease in somalia. we see here day in and day out people accusing other tribes of what they consider is bad. never, ever do you see somali people saying good things about other tribes

what has happened, imho, in the last 15 years is that somalis have realized that tribalism is dangerous. but the fix is still achievable... and we are definitely addicted. how to get the cold turkey? don't know... perhaps because we don't eat turkey/digiiran in our society lol.

afdhere

[Sir-Luggoyo]

Afdheere,

Why don't you focus on saving your rectum from the multiple penetration and drop the plight of the women? They can deal with it. You are not a man, hence not the perpetrator, and you are not a woman, hence not the victim, so stop meddling in gender business, nacatalaah caleek

[Cawar]

"quruxleey,

did you say 'melodramatic'?

answer these questions please:

1) are you 'circumcised'... that because you have no enough space for the period to go through... that you isqurunted/infected... then died??

2) are you forced to marry? if not directly, have you had the "habaar iyo duco" deal yet? have you been given into marriage a man three times your age... ?

3) have you been refused to work... because your husband thinks that is not a right of a woman... ?

4) have you been beaten... and then told that it is required for you to be a good wife?

5) as a little girl, have you watched your brothers go to school... while you stood ... crying... because you were a girl?"


Afdhere

Where the fock did you come up with this BS????

WHich somali family does this to their kids????

I have seen and known more than 50 families in Xamar and more than that in the diapora...i have never heard of such a thing let alone seeing it..

War thats so in the 50s... my mom fininshed her high shool in the seventies and thats the our parents generation...what are you talking about???

Meesha waxaa ka dhigteen adiga iyop Globe in slavery jirtee!!! wtf??

Dont push it guys..

[Ina Baxar]

Sir Luggoyo , afkaaga cano lagu qabay.
Quruxley , remember inabti, dad aan loo jawaabin ba jira

[Quruxley]

Dhuusa Dheer aka Beenlow why are you speaking for me?I dont remember recruiting you as my pet like most of the people on this site have you cant even tell your family about your choices regarding your faith....Baakhti baa tahay walle,What makes you think that I even regard you as anything let alone a man marka hore?Hadaad rabtid inaad afdhere shuukansatid then hit his PM box.Threadkayga haa soo gelin with bullshit and been.Mardambe afka qadhmun haa ila imaanin.Unless ofcourse you grow some kubado first .


Afdhere,your reply is a clear demonstration of exactly what I mean.I read one of your threads earlier "Somali family" or something and it's clear you know how to write to provoke and stir up the old emotions.lol.Whether positive or negative is not the case.You sometimes bring up valid points,yes but you blatantly tart up your writing.I mean there I was expecting something that held some sort of relevant connection to the title.Boy was I wrong.

About the points you highlighted,
I never said our cultural society was immune from these problems and I am well aware that there are cases like this in our society.

My first main point to Globe was why is why there is no praise for all that is right with our culture?Secondly, if we do in fact deal with these issues then dealing with them privately is very important.I've seen how successful this method is and trust me running to a Non-Somali should be the last option not the first!Dont make me out to be some sort of uneffectionate and unempatheical monster!

Mizz Cunto Tigid Qalbi,qalanjo qoor dheere Sidaan ku jeclahay
Loool Luggooyo
Cawar alot of it's news to me too but maybe it's because I'm a 'western dhoocil' eh?
Ina Baxar loool I have to try before I cast them unanswerable macaanow

[Ina Baxar]

I must commend you then , very noble as usual

[Globetrotter-]

Quruxley, you wanted my reply on the issues you raised. I made a case- but it seems that you withering on your own topic.

I hate being repetitive.

Don't force me to adress you as qurunleey because to everyone except you everything I write make sense!

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="afdhere"]dhuusa,

it is actually funny. i travel a lot. and i meet these western politicians who tell me the somali are really productive in their societies. what i have learned over the years is that somalis are productive, good, etc... towards others. but not to themselves.

[/quote]

I agree to some extent while not ignoring the problems somalis face abroad. In aprticular the youth. But that is a different can of beans.

You say somalis are good towards others but not to themselves. Why is that?