Why 4.5 can not be accepted as a system any longer

[thegoodshepherd]

Two weeks ago, the federal states put out their preferred system for the 2016 election. Galmudug, Banadir, Hiraan-shabeele and Koonfur Galbeed all chose 4.5, while P/L and J/L chose a district-based system.

One of the most unfair aspects of this is that this massively overrepresents and underrepresents some groups. the worst example are MJ and D&M.
According to the last estimate from 2014:

Bari+Nugaal= 1,112,210
Bay+Bakool= 1,159,408

Basically equal in terms of population, which should mean equal representation. But this is not the case under 4.5, where MJ gets less than 1/5 the representation of D&M. There are of course other tribes living in Bari than MJ, but the representation is absolute xaqdaro no matter how you look at it.

Somali parliament members:
D&M MPs: 61
MJ MPs: 12

4.5 is total dulmi.

[Otherbrother]

If you think there is only that much people in bay and bakool you obviously dont know how much ogaden, rahanweny, jareer and others there breed.

If you think MJ's deserve more your crazy, they are just a sub clan of darood. Doesn't matter how much gobols they are in. They are not that huge.

[AwRastaale]

You can't compare the nation of Maay to the few Majertein in Garowe, Qardho and parts of Bosasso. You have to remember PL maybe large area but its density is no more than 20% populated and therefore 80% empty.

The Rahawein region is much much different. It is densely populated and unlike pastoralist MJ who one reer camps one day in Aluula and next in the valley of Nugaal chasing the clouds------the nation of Maay is semi-agroculturalist especially the Digil.


The nation of Maay, who are part of the larger Oromo nation (Somalinized back in the days when Muslims' other name was "Somali" or Ma safartee), are bigger than even Darood combined let alone MJ who only settle three small towns.

The 4.5 system is Konfuur system and PL has to honor the laws of its government and the capital, Mogadishu.

It is back-warded system but when Hawiye is in charge do you expect innovation? I'm just glad it's not called niiko 4.5

[Otherbrother]

You can't compare the nation of Maay to the few Majertein in Garowe, Qardho and parts of Bosasso. You have to remember PL maybe large area but its density is no more than 20% populated and therefore 80% empty.

The Rahawein region is much much different. It is densely populated and unlike pastoralist MJ who one reer camps one day in Aluula and next in the valley of Nugaal chasing the clouds------the nation of Maay is semi-agroculturalist especially the Digil.


The nation of Maay, who are part of the larger Oromo nation (Somalinized back in the days when Muslims' other name was "Somali" or Ma safartee), are bigger than even Darood combined let alone MJ who only settle three small towns.

The 4.5 system is Konfuur system and PL has to honor the laws of its government and the capital, Mogadishu.

It is back-warded system but when Hawiye is in charge do you expect innovation? I'm just glad it's not called niiko 4.5

Maay are not oromo. Oromo were not known to be around that area till after imam ahmed gurey. They were mainly around western oromia/gambella. Some barentu near the somal but you know all around maay are other somali areas. So they would have to get through them to get to bay bakool shabelle etc... Oromo used to fight for the jubba river upstream.

Somal, maay, oromo, afar etc all come from similar people before. Hence all looking similar and being cushite speakers, with similar languages.

Maay are somali.

[AwRastaale]

They are Oromo brother. They are sub-group of the Borana along with the Wardaay group. The Wardaay embraced Islam before the Maay nation and began to teach Maay the religion. In the end, both the Wardaay and the Maay became better Muslims than the Safartee.

Safartee oo ahed Somaliga cadiga ah. The Maay were converted mostly under the Ajuraan Empire even though some pre-date that era.

[thegoodshepherd]

I actually believe MJ is larger than D&M overall, but not within Somalia. D&M should not by any means have more than 5X the representation MJ has. This has nothing to do with the fact that MJ is a subclan, but with the injustice inherent in the system. D&M know they have the most to lose, that is why they are the most pro 4.5 qabil.

[Otherbrother]

I actually believe MJ is larger than D&M overall, but not within Somalia. D&M should not by any means have more than 5X the representation MJ has. This has nothing to do with the fact that MJ is a subclan, but with the injustice inherent in the system. D&M know they have the most to lose, that is why they are the most pro 4.5 qabil.

Wallahi this is delusions of grandeur.

No way are MJ more...MJ + Marehan + Ogaden are more of a fair match..

[BowerDanger]

MJ only big in north america. And seem big in Somalia because they bark the loudest and because they have big dusty uninhabitable land that no one wants to live in.

Even Darod is not bigger than d&mm. Even the hawiyes in mudug ran to Xamar. They don't want to live in drought land

[Otherbrother]

WEther it be Jigjiga which is shared, kilinka shanaad, sool, sanaag, bari, nugal, mudug, jubbas, nfd. Every area where they darood settle is small in population and has disgustingly low population density...and they nomads, not farmers. They ain't boasting population excpet outside somalia. In the west.

[BowerDanger]

Bosaso biggest darod city has less people than Hodan district

[xirsi95]

Lmao eelay peasant farmers or Rahanweyn supporters coming up with fake numbers and statements without any proof or evidence, Digil iyo Mirifle land is the one that's supposedly the best environmentaly cuz of the Juba and Shabelle rivers but you guys are always the first to die in 1000s cuz of drought and famine lmao. Lol I laugh at when you said this: "You can't compare the nation of Maay to the few Majertein in Garowe, Qardho and parts of Bosasso. You have to remember PL maybe large area but its density is no more than 20% populated and therefore 80% empty.

The Rahawein region is much much different. It is densely populated and unlike pastoralist MJ who one reer camps one day in Aluula and next in the valley of Nugaal chasing the clouds------the nation of Maay is semi-agroculturalist especially the Digil."

As if you know anything about the land Beesha Barakaysan oo lo yiradho Majeerteen inhabit we live from Geladi iyo Bookh in Somali Galbeed all throughout northern and eastern Mudug to all of Nugaal and Bari which is more than all your peasant land of Bay iyo Bakool and most of the Lower Shabelle combined as if Qardho,Garowe and Bosaso are the only cities we live in f-king idiots. .And we're not only pastoralists you fools we're sailors and fishermen who've sailed to more countries than your qaxooti families have even heard of and mountainous people who collect frankincense in the mountains of Bari and sell it throughout the Horn of Africa and Arabia. Lmao you mentioned Alula which as a by city itself has more history and nobility and honour than your peasant clan. Don't open your mouth about Daarood and especially Majeerteen you Eelay peasants.

[thegoodshepherd]

War Xirsi kuwani waa idoor, eelay ma aha

[xirsi95]

War Xirsi kuwani waa idoor, eelay ma aha

Oooh lmao Wallahi I thought they were Digil iyo Mirifle

[xirsi95]

It's kinda annoying how those not from Dhulkii Majeerteen ka always say that our land is a desert in enternal drought I admit Hargeisa and Sheekh are greener than most Somali towns but it's just cuz they're in the Somali highlands but I've been to the north and Burco's scenery is just like Gaalkacyo's Wallahi and Berbera's is just like Bosaso's scenery hilly mountainous and dry as fuck. Always talking about lands they've never been to or seen with their own eyes smh. I've been go Somaliland and puntland in the summer of 2013 there's not that much of a difference in the land tbh

[AwRastaale]

Majertein friends,

We are only educating you about population density. There is no need to cry and melt like hot candles Biyokulule so yara galaa.

Having said that just because Russia occupies much bigger land than China, it doesn't mean the Russians are more than the Chinese. Your logic is like that.

Maybe the map below will educate you. As you can see Puntland region is large empty desert. If you need help translating the map also let us know. We have many experts on standby.



Majerteins only settle part of Galkacayo, Garowe (small town), Qardho (again small with few Isse Mohamud), Alula (few fishermen) and parts of Bosasso (I say parts because its shared between various Hartis).


BTW the nation of Maay is my favorite Konfuur people.




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