Methodological misjudgements: The myth of ‘clan cleansing’ in Somalia

[Lamagoodle]

A fresh paper that kills Lidwien Kapteijns' book on ethnic cleansing in Somalia. Just published in the "African Journal of History and Culture".


http://www.academicjournals.org/journal ... 0F72A56351

[UgaasCuthman]

Anything about 1988 in it i dont believe the fake death toll

[AbdiWahab252]

Mujahid Aaroma (AUN) demolished her arguments along with Dr. Culusow. This woman wrote a book based on pillow talk she had with her long time live in boyfriend who just happens to hail from the very clans she claims were victims of genocide.

These pseudo scholars are very dangerous characters. Men like Professor Samatar of Rutgers were relied on as Somali experts and they have biased assessments of the situation on the ground to fit their clan interests. Samatar said Mujahid Aidid had limited support of 500 drug addicts. This bad Intel ensured that the US would clash with the SNA.

I was a young man but I knew the importance of spin so did a small cadre of other loyalists.

Abti. Have you read this article

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse. ... 9E9h7Hw1N3

I locked horns with other anti revolutionary elements at different forums on Somalia that I became referred to as the Other Ina Caydiid.

[Lamagoodle]

Anything about 1988 in it i dont believe the fake death toll

No, this is a scientific rebuff of a book written by a scholar who claimed that there was an ethnic cleansing in the south. She wrote a book which in the realm of science has no value but has created some talking points in the fadhi-ku-dirir community. The author of this paper uses academic arguments to kill the thesis of the book.

The author is a PhD candidate at Oxford and has published a number of papers on Somalia(s). In academia, it is all about writing papers that are published in journals.

[Lamagoodle]

Mujahid Aaroma (AUN) demolished her arguments along with Dr. Culusow. This woman wrote a book based on pillow talk she had with her long time live in boyfriend who just happens to hail from the very clans she claims were victims of genocide.

These pseudo scholars are very dangerous characters. Men like Professor Samatar of Rutgers were relied on as Somali experts and they have biased assessments of the situation on the ground to fit their clan interests. Samatar said Mujahid Aidid had limited support of 500 drug addicts. This bad Intel ensured that the US would clash with the SNA.

I was a young man but I knew the importance of spin so did a small cadre of other loyalists.

Abti. Have you read this article

http://h-net.msu.edu/cgi-bin/logbrowse. ... 9E9h7Hw1N3

I locked horns with other anti revolutionary elements at different forums on Somalia that I became referred to as the Other Ina Caydiid.

Abtigiis; in the world of academia, you kill arguments by publishing in journals. The other critics of Kapteijns did not publish journal articles. This article is the killer punch. I expect that she will provide a response. Stay tuned.

The problem is that she claimed to have a scholarly argument and that is what made the author write this piece.

P.s. The link is empty.

[AbdiWahab252]

Abti, I agree.

Ingriis is doing a good job and I hope he referenced Aroma and Culusow.

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[Lamagoodle]

Abti, I agree.

Ingriis is doing a good job and I hope he referenced Aroma and Culusow.

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No, he did not reference them.

Ingiris is a productive academic.

Some of his prior work:

Ingiriis MH (2012a). The Making of the 1990 Manifesto: Somalia's Last Chance for State Survival. Northeast Afr. Stud. 12(2):63-94.

Ingiriis MH (2012b). Redefining Somaliness through the Bantu-Jareer Community: The Absent Somalis in Somali Social and Political Landscape. In Marisa Fois and Alesandro Pess (eds.) Politics and Minorities in Africa. Milan: Centro di Studi Africani in Sardegna. pp. 71-99.

Ingiriis MH (2013b). Review Clan Cleansing in Somalia: The Ruinous Legacy of 1991, Lidwien Kapteijns, Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press Afr. Today 60(2):112-114.

Ingiriis MH (2014a). Motherhood and Memory: Suffering, Survival and Sustainability in Somali Clan Wars. In Dana Cooper Claire Phelan (eds.), Mothers and War: An International Perspective. New York: Palgrave Macmillan. pp. 225-240.

Ingiriis MH (2014b). Review Essay Milk and Peace, Drought and War, Somali Culture, Society and Politics, Essays in Honour of I. M. Lewis, edited by Markus V. Hoehne and Virginia Luling, London: Hurst Co., 2010. Afr. Asian Stud.13:373-377.

Ingiriis MH (2015). 'Sisters; was this what we struggled for?': The Gendered Rivalry in Power and Politics. J. Int. Womens Stud. 16(2):376-394.

Ingiriis MH, Hoehne MH (2013a). The Impact of Civil War and State Collapse on the Roles of Somali Women: A Blessing in Disguise. J. East. Afr. Stud. 7(2):314-333.
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[AbdiWahab252]

As a PhD it is publish or perish. What is he studying? Other Somali PhD candidates are well published but probably in subject matters we common folk are not that interested in

[Lamagoodle]

As a PhD it is publish or perish. What is he studying? Other Somali PhD candidates are well published but probably in subject matters we common folk are not that interested in

True. Most somali academics are silent in the public discourse. We only see losers i.e. ppl who did not make it in academia

He is a student of history at Oxford university, UK.

http://www.ohgn.org/profile/mohamed-haj ... iriis/2353

You can access his works here (scroll down)
http://oxford.academia.edu/MohamedHajiIngiriis

[Estarix]

99% of Somalis dissagree. Ethnic cleansing happened, the evidence were the events (loss of life, mass refugee movement, anecdotal accounts from civillians and journalists) that transpired during the civil wars and the huge demographic changes that manifested itself by 1993. Now i'm willing to accept all clans engaged in clan cleansing but i think it's ridiculous to trivialize or reject the crimes of the USC, which was by the far the most heinous and barbaric clan militia that have ever existed in modern Somali history.

[Lamagoodle]

99% of Somalis dissagree. Ethnic cleansing happened, the evidence were the events (loss of life, mass refugee movement, anecdotal accounts from civillians and journalists) that transpired during the civil wars and the huge demographic changes that manifested itself by 1993. Now i'm willing to accept all clans engaged in clan cleansing but i think it's ridiculous to trivialize or reject the crimes of the USC, which was by the far the most heinous and barbaric clan militia that have ever existed in modern Somali history.

lol@@@@@@@@99% somalis dissagree. 100 of us agree that we are the richest, smartest and much more.

Dear Esterix; did you read the article???? It has nothing to do with rejecting crimes. In fact, it has nothing to dó with cleansing per se. It does not question whether this took place or not. It is about the faulty methodology employed by the author of the book.

Anecdotes are NOT science; Books (most of them) have no scientific value in many sciences although in the humanities and the social sciences they are viewed as such. Scientific peer reviewed articles are. Some chapters of that book would have been rejected outright if submitted to journals (at least to top journals). To my knowledge, this is the first time this issue has been discussed in the academic literature. Before that the discussions were at the fadhi-ku-dirir level. The author should not have marketed the book as an academic work. That is her mistake. She opened herself to academic criticisms.

P.s. Some horrible things have happened in Somalia for many decades. We need to write about them; not in books that are used in fadhi-ku-dirir but in journal articles (to stand academic reviewing) in order to have some clout.

[theyuusuf143]

Sure its Not logic to Denny the mass killings of USC. how ever one can argue that Muj aided did not order those killings. I have never seen Aided speaking hardly against faqash remains let alone organising clan cleansing. the only Somali Warlords I have watched on my own eyes ordering Mass killings are General Morgan and Aadan gabyaw. I have seen gabyaw declaring war on Hawiye. I have seen Morgan directing his militias to rape Barawani women in barawe and loot civilians food and belongs.

[mahoka]

Sure its Not logic to Denny the mass killings of USC. how ever one can argue that Muj aided did not order those killings. I have never seen Aided speaking hardly against faqash remains let alone organising clan cleansing. the only Somali Warlords I have watched on my own eyes ordering Mass killings are General Morgan and Aadan gabyaw. I have seen gabyaw declaring war on Hawiye. I have seen Morgan directing his militias to rape Barawani women in barawe and loot civilians food and belongs.

true

[thegoodshepherd]

I am pretty sure ethnic cleansing happened, or I would now be living in Casa Popolare

Lamagoodle, what if I told you Wagàlla never happened? You would be upset right? The book may be faulty, but the overall arc is not in dispute. Don't deny atrocities due to the faulty research by some american lady.
I would actually go further and say a genocide happened to the Gaalgale at the hands of USC. That is a story which is yet to be told.

[Adali]

Let's move on ffs. Opening old wounds doesn't help anyone. Especially when we are under occupation and economic downturn.