The Questions The Hypocrites in Puntland & Jubaland Failed to answer

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Why hasn't Puntland a maamul for 18 years inhabited by just a single tribe managed to do district based election in her region? or a one-man-one vote? like Somaliland has achieved which has much more diversity and higher population count?

Why is she trying to push a system to a region that has more then 80 tribes which she herself in her own single tribal enclave couldn't achieve for the past 18 years? The hypocrisy is deafening, I could totally understand if this was Somaliland that was pushing for it, but Puntland ?

For those of you that wonder why, the reasons are very simple, Mohamoud saleeban would become a minority and their powers would be severely eroded, in their dastuur they claim 9 Gobals (yes f-king 9 of which 4 they created themselves but they only rule 2.5), leaving out the farce and going back to 18 gobals we know, they claim mudug, sool, sanaag, nugaal, bari, they don't live in sanaag or sool, bari they are a minority, nugaal and mudug is shared with them by others, they are only dominant in Nugaal, that's why such a system doesn't suit these greedy bermuda triangle fitnah loving mohamoud saleeban death cult


Why hasn't that charcoal loving futo madoobe that's also pro-district not implemented it? he has had 5 years to do so? Mudane HSM has put the same question to them but no answers.

Why are they trying to push a system on the rest of the Somali's that they themselves failed to implement? This is the absolute height of hypocrisy, these are the kind of people we are forced to share a nation with

[Unionist]

Madoobe should be locked up and punish for his crimes he's committed during Ras Kamboni days. He was affiliated with Al shabaab and when they've disputed with Kismayo port, he switched sides with Kenyan and Pro-government. Madoobe is still doing business with AMISOM and AL shabaab with charcoal. He's in no position to be roaming around free, not to mention being a politician.

PL does have it's problems and whatnot but Gaas has come out and said that there will be one man one vote in PL at 2019 before the Somali national election. There has been significant reforms implemented and development, however little increment it is. All that trumps having a peaceful nation-state where it is freely to do business and that it is not like Konfur.

4.5 is not a viable electoral voting reference to use since it will bring the same politicians again and another status quo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lb71H1lsNPM

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Union

If AbdiProzac is speaking the truth that would mean after 21 years of being supposed "stable maamul" one-man-one vote will be done, incredible, how about district based election? or district based MP selection? so a single Qabiil state has plans to roll this out after 21 years of rule, but yet you want to export this to a place with more then 80 qabiils that had its first SFG ? Do you see the lunacy in logic here? how about you go and implement it in your own home first before trying to export it elsewhere.

Yes I agree with you that the current model favours corruption, that's why HSM, Galmudug, Konfur Galbeed and myself are in favour of hybrid system, still 4.5 but the MP's will be selected by each federal state on a district basis, this will root out the corruption and qabiil element, HG for example will have MP's in Benadir, South-west and Galmudug all with different interest and no qabiil union, same for the rest.

[Kudo]

There is no Jubaland worth mention and Madoobe cant venture out of Kismayo without KDF accompanying him. Secondly those questions you asked are good and I would like to hear the answers. Just as I would like to hear the answers of why since HSM came to office the gov is unable to provide basic security for civilians under its control? Whats the meaning of having him in office?

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There is no Jubaland worth mention and Madoobe cant venture out of Kismayo without KDF accompanying him. Secondly those questions you asked are good and I would like to hear the answers. Just as I would like to hear the answers of why since HSM came to office the gov is unable to provide basic security for civilians under its control? Whats the meaning of having him in office?

Open a separate topic for that and I will answer, yes your right madoobe doesn't control anything, that's why its even more shameful to support election model he doesn't even have the authority to implement.

I dare any supporter of those states or even election model to answer those questions, were are the cagdheer supports like incognito, Django ? were are the countless mohamoud saleeban cancer you see everywhere ? watch them all hide and hope this topic dies, what a bunch of courage-less, spineless, prideless, supine bunch.

[Sh. Indacadde]

great points, I am interested to hear their answers too but I wouldn't hold my breath on it.

[MJ360]

Anymore questions?

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Now that I think about it, it makes sense. Why haven't they got rid off the 4.5 in their regions?

I am glad HSM told them to go pound sand.

[Unionist]

HSM doesn't even have power on Mogadishu, he can't enforce anything.

No to 4.5

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HSM is going to get elected for another term as ur Madaxweyne.

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Still not a single Jaberti supporters of district based election dares to answer these basic questions; getting hit by stray bullets whilst fleeing for their lifes, using foreign muscles against each other and now even unable to answer basic questions, war wuxu xaata hal qof oh caqli saliim ka ah ma ku jiro miyaah ?

[MarsinQorahay]

Before you start saying Ahmed madoobe cant venture out of kismaayo try to figure out why hsm needs amisom protection by just going to another room in villa somalia, a system worst than 4.5 is used in mogadishu against minorities, hutus are stealing their property and killing them under shabaab banner, the security in mogadishu is disguisting, if hutus wants a governmental post they would kill the one holding it just like what happened to saado cali, not long ago hutus using shabaab banner were slaughtering Kids and womens in liido as apology to Kenya after the ceelcade scenario. Clean up your mess Before you even start mentioning other peoples mess dameeryahow.

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Union


Yes I agree with you that the current model favours corruption, that's why HSM, Galmudug, Konfur Galbeed and myself are in favour of hybrid system, still 4.5 but the MP's will be selected by each federal state on a district basis, this will root out the corruption and qabiil element, HG for example will have MP's in Benadir, South-west and Galmudug all with different interest and no qabiil union, same for the rest.

Hybrid is what will likely happen. A Darood from Jubaland does not shame same political ideals, interests, or morals with a Darood living in Puntland. Clans are not homogeneous, meaning that they don't think or act the same.

Selecting a person based on their clan affiliate is disingenuous since then they will act on behave of their clan elders and not the people.

Hawiye needs to get their act together after all this time not a single state they've accomplished besides Galmudug and that's not even complete. HSM has failed his term and didn't bring the vision of 2016. Having him again is not acceptable if people want Somalia to get rid of being a failed state.

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Hawiye needs to get their act together after all this time not a single state they've accomplished besides Galmudug and that's not even complete. HSM has failed his term and didn't bring the vision of 2016. Having him again is not acceptable if people want Somalia to get rid of being a failed state.

You expect HSM to do 4 years what Puntland single qabiil hasn't done in 18 years? Jaberti only has a single state, of which it control just 2 Gobals out of the 9 it claims in its dastuur, no equal representation all minorities sidelined even their cousins like yourself, Jubaland is not a state, Futo madoobe doesn't even fully control Kismaayo let alone the rest and even that small portion he needs Kikuyu backing, he can't venture anywhere this is well known

Maamul is what you fully control outside of foreign muscles with functioning institutions, with that definition Hawiye always had more, Galmudug was already a maamul for 9 years from Gaalkacyo all the way to Hobyo 300KM in length alone hundreds of thousand square miles, Ximan Xeeb another maamul in full control with sizeable territory so was Ahlu Sunnah, that alone is 3 HG maamuls fully controlling their territory and armed to the teeth, this surpasses anything Jaberti's ever had

Lets look at Jaberti maamuls, I already explained Jubaland can't be a maamul, neither is Khaatumo as 90% of their territory is controlled by Somaliland, same with Maakahir state they have no control, both just exist on paper, the only jaberti state is Puntland that's 3 Vs 1 comparing the whole of Jaberti's with just Habar Gidir.

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Still not a single proponent of District based election has the guts to answer those basic questions. The next idiot you see talk about district based refer them to this thread, bunch of spineless cowards.