Somaliland + Puntland

[SomaliTycoon]

Both these states have organized self-governing administrations. Both these states share a boarder, and have been annexing one another for eternity.

Both are neighbors, both seek higher governance. Both wish nothing to do with the Federal government.
Puntland might not say it, but they'd rather govern their territory than be governed by Bartamaha dowlada.

My proposal for Northern Somalia and umada halkaasi ku nool.

Both of you share a common interest. This interest being independence. Why not regroup so that both states become amalgamated?
Somaliland and Puntland should consider annexing both territories into one country. This has been done before with the annexation of Somaliland by the central government back in the 60's. This can also be done once again.
Proposed new flag of the United Somali Front (USF)
http://flag-designer.appspot.com/gwtfla ... 6&s=0&c5=6

Capital: Las Anod

President: Dhulbahante
Vice President: Gedabursi
Country Name: Puntland (Rolls off the tongue)
This would also make sense because the real location of Punt has been described to be Somaliland, so the name fits.

[AwRastaale]

Not sure what you talking about.

When was there a central Gov in the south in 1960s? Can you name it's cabinet.

Somalia was under UN trusteeship after Great Britain and its allies defeated the Italians.

In 1960 Somaliland and Somalia merged to form Somali Republic. There was no central government of any kind before Egal-Adde Government.

Somalia did not have a currency, no army, no parliament but it had a decent city thanks to Italia (Mogadishu).

The flag designed by a Puntlander was inspired by the United Nations which ruled Puntland too as part of Somalia. He got the colours from there and added the city representing the five Somali regions; Somalia, Somaliland, Djibouti, Somali Region (Ethiopia) and NFD (Kenya).

The flag was first unveiled in Somaliland during the Tima Adde recitation of kana siib kana sar poet.

After the merger, Somaliland took its parliament, unit of currency (Shilling), army (Somaliland camel corps including the symbol used to this day), flag to Mogadishu because the north had no city that could be of capital value. That is the honest truth.

Just few years into the union, junior Somaliland army in the south rebelled against the southern officers insisting they were superior to them and had far more knowledge and training yet the government made them higher with no official training. The southern forces were unable to contain them. The Government then requested senior Somaliland army officers be flown from Somaliland to deal with them. They did.

That event came to known as Wanlawein revolt (Wanlawein being a town) and that's how southerners owned that nick name.

There never was no central gov in the south.

Before you suggest anything, first study your history.

PL will remain a buffer zone but union is not recommended. Reer PL are legit Somalis unlike the southern people and Landers should always support Somalinimo above Bantus and the hybrids in the south. The notion that Hawiye shares no land with us thus is closer is very false.

That was in the 17th, 18th and 19th century world but today there are political, diplomatic, economical and conventional wars. Hawiye hijacked the Somali stamp and as long as he has that stamp, there is no border between you and him. The stamp claims jurisdiction over your lands. Once we disable that stamp by turning the status of capital into 'disputed' and thus lose confidence support even in the eyes of the IC, then you can say you have no borders to feud over.

In such case SL and PL as well as JL should work together to disable the stamp. Can reer MJ understand that? That's the interest of all of us.

We do not have to fight over Sool iyo Sanag either. We should allow nature take its cause.

[X.Playa]

Lool President dhilloos and vice gedabursi and what is it for isaaq the majority.

[mahoka]

Loool and what exactly are Darod going to contribute

[SomaliTycoon]

Not sure what you talking about.

When was there a central Gov in the south in 1960s? Can you name it's cabinet.

Somalia was under UN trusteeship after Great Britain and its allies defeated the Italians.

In 1960 Somaliland and Somalia merged to form Somali Republic. There was no central government of any kind before Egal-Adde Government.

Somalia did not have a currency, no army, no parliament but it had a decent city thanks to Italia (Mogadishu).

The flag designed by a Puntlander was inspired by the United Nations which ruled Puntland too as part of Somalia. He got the colours from there and added the city representing the five Somali regions; Somalia, Somaliland, Djibouti, Somali Region (Ethiopia) and NFD (Kenya).

The flag was first unveiled in Somaliland during the Tima Adde recitation of kana siib kana sar poet.

After the merger, Somaliland took its parliament, unit of currency (Shilling), army (Somaliland camel corps including the symbol used to this day), flag to Mogadishu because the north had no city that could be of capital value. That is the honest truth.

Just few years into the union, junior Somaliland army in the south rebelled against the southern officers insisting they were superior to them and had far more knowledge and training yet the government made them higher with no official training. The southern forces were unable to contain them. The Government then requested senior Somaliland army officers be flown from Somaliland to deal with them. They did.

That event came to known as Wanlawein revolt (Wanlawein being a town) and that's how southerners owned that nick name.

There never was no central gov in the south.

Before you suggest anything, first study your history.

PL will remain a buffer zone but union is not recommended.

When someone segregates Somalis based on coast, he or she should not consider addressing history.
Somalia has had a well functioning government in the early 70's, not only that, Somalia itself was unified and blooming.
The capital was Muqdisho, the sister capital Hargeisa. Now you tell me, who build all the roads, ports and communities in Northern Somalia.
What you need to do as a person is understand basic common sense, you as an Ethiopian hutu will never understand the unity shared by ethnic Somalis.
I'm neither from Puntland or Somaliland, yet if they were to be unified, I''m sure they would've been released long ago.
Every clan whether South or North ALL consider themselves superior, this is what it means to be Somali.
No clan looks down, each clan has a story, and majority are beyond proud.
I see no way that Somaliland could become a nation of its own with this amount of division present.
Therefore, unity came be formed.

[AwRastaale]

You mixing things up that's all. If you look back in your previous post, you said 1960s and my reply was for that era.

You should learn history first and stop being over emotional.

SL will remain solo but it will favor PL over the south.

[SomaliTycoon]

Lool President dhilloos and vice gedabursi and what is it for isaaq the majority.

The Isaaq will be given access to public finance.
All the Banks will be monitored by Isaaqs. Sorta like how the Jews own wall street, you will own the Somali wall street.
If the president seeks money for development, he'd need to go through you, without your signature, the money stays intact.
And of course, you wouldn't need another mans signature to withdraw whatever you desire.

[SomaliTycoon]

You mixing things up that's all. If you look back in your previous post, you said 1960s and my reply was for that era.

You should learn history first and stop being over emotional.

SL will remain solo but it will favor PL over the south.

The South is where greenery was given birth, Jubaland is where I hail from. I could care less whos solo or unified in the North.
Although, we are brothers so I wish whats best for my Somali brothers, wherever they may be.
I wish to see happiness, so I can sleep in Hargeisa, travel to Las Anod and wake up in Kismayo, this is my dream.
I could care less who rules, or whether I need a visa to enter, Somalis are Somalis. I'd feel at home wherever, "waryaa" is shouted repeatedly.
We had a well functioning government, of course it has flaws, but its was better than what we have today. If that past era and better cannot be revived, people must find other ways to please their souls. Therefore seeking independence through unity is perhaps best fit for Northerners.
Unify Somaliland with Puntland, and I promise within 60 days, we'll have a baby South Sudan in the Horn

[SomaliTycoon]

Loool and what exactly are Darod going to contribute

Population, maskax iyo hormar. Waxkale miyaad tabeysey?
Work well with the Dhulbahante, if you treat them well, they will treat you well, and with their alliance, you don't need anything.

[X.Playa]

Why should isaaq a clan numbering at least 3.5 millions would accept to be ruled by Harti and gedabursi that are three fold less then them?

[SomaliTycoon]

Why should isaaq a clan numbering at least 3.5 millions would accept to be ruled by Harti and gedabursi that are three fold less then them?

Wasn't a Gedabursi from Awdal the president of Somaliland for 8 years? This is a way to gain the respect of the community.
You will always gain your kursi, because you are heavily populated, but by allowing people to govern, it shows equality within the community.
If I were told to handle the public finance of my nation, I wouldn't hesitate, this would mean, you'd build your nation.
No corruption unless of course you choose to hoard some of the cash for your clan.

Take a look at America sxb, who owns the U.S? The government....or the Jews?
Money buys everything, it buys leaders, it buys the invisible.
Be the Jews of Somalia, not in terms of, "habaar" ama, "aflagaado" but in terms of wealth and maskax.

[X.Playa]

America are ruled by the majority with 99.999999999% of its history, in real terms if such crazy proposition come to reality isaaq will gobble up harti and gedabursi easily politically and economically.

[JSL3000]

This faqash dude posting his fantasy.

[SomaliTycoon]

This faqash dude posting his fantasy.

LMAO
You can't give up the seat to another man for 4 years? Lets not be greedy

[SomaliTycoon]

America are ruled by the majority with 99.999999999% of its history, in real terms if such crazy proposition come to reality isaaq will gobble up harti and gedabursi easily politically and economically.

Exactly, majority will also rule. If you join Puntland, Harti comes majority automatically, therefore a Dhulo president would only make sense