Turkey quickly becoming another Middle-Eastern Shithole
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Turkey quickly becoming another Middle-Eastern Shithole
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625
Half a dozen deadly bombings in few months, mostly ISIS, the PKK and their affiliated groups are behind this.
Ataturk must be turning in his grave thanks to what Erdogan and his cronies are doing to his beloved nation.
Half a dozen deadly bombings in few months, mostly ISIS, the PKK and their affiliated groups are behind this.
Ataturk must be turning in his grave thanks to what Erdogan and his cronies are doing to his beloved nation.
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Re: Turkey quickly becoming another Middle-Eastern Shithole
What you're reading on the media is completely biased and doesn't even cover the full extent of what's going on in Turkey. The Russians as well as the Americans are indirectly supporting the PKK, which is a listed terrorist organization. For the americans, the reason behind this is because Erdogan's pro-Muslim stand in his foreign policy and the fact that he is not completely subservient to the US, which was the case for previous undemocratic Turkish regimes. Notice I use the term 'not completely subservient' because there still are a lot of influential figures from Turkey's previous puppet government who still weld a significant amount of power in the judiciary and military. The US seeks to cause a regime change in Turkey by creating the ideal conditions inorder for the AKP party (ruling party) to lose popularity, where thereafter their secular pro-Israeli allies take over.Lancer wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625
Half a dozen deadly bombings in few months, mostly ISIS, the PKK and their affiliated groups are behind this.
Ataturk must be rolling in his grave thanks to what Erdogan and his cronies are doing to his beloved nation.
The Russians on the other hand are just out for revenge (the jet that was shot down over Turkish airspace) and are most likely behind the spate of bombings we have seen over the past few months. I am almost certain they have agents on the ground supplying the PKK with explosives and weapons.
I'm not saying Erdogan is not blameworthy to a degree for the mess his country is in, but you have to understand there are a lot of factors in play here that do not necessarily involve him.
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By the way, Attaturk was a complete twat. He abolished Sharia in Turkey and tried to 'europanise' the country. He closed down mosques and banned Quran schools. The guy was an anti-Islamic demagogue who single handedly gave Turkey to the British and French colonial empires to rule singe handedly. He was supportive of the Zionists bid to annex and occupy Palestine, which they did and still do. So don't you go about presenting him as a great individual because he clearly wasn't.
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No dude, don't fall for the AKP's religious propaganda card, Erdogan and his party is just using it to gain support from his largely Sunni Conservative base at home and influence in Muslim countries around the world. Charity should start at home they say, he first needs to stop his country's oppressive policies towards Kurds to show how sincere he really is. He is subservient to the US and follows their policies in regards to Syria by arming extremist groups and allowing them to use his country's borders just so he can prevent another Kurdish Autonomous region like Iraq which I predict will eventually be happen. His government has been cracking down on newspapers and other opposition media making his country the second in the world next to china in the amount of Journalist jailed for petty reasons such as "insulting the presidency". One of the largest newspaper in the country Zaman was recently raided and turned pro-government after the raid.TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote:What you're reading on the media is completely biased and doesn't even cover the full extent of what's going on in Turkey. The Russians as well as the Americans are indirectly supporting the PKK, which is a listed terrorist organization. For the americans, the reason behind this is because Erdogan's pro-Muslim stand in his foreign policy and the fact that he is not completely subservient to the US, which was the case for previous undemocratic Turkish regimes. Notice I use the term 'not completely subservient' because there still are a lot of influential figures from Turkey's previous puppet government who still weld a significant amount of power in the judiciary and military. The US seeks to cause a regime change in Turkey by creating the ideal conditions inorder for the AKP party (ruling party) to lose popularity, where thereafter their secular pro-Israeli allies take over.Lancer wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625
Half a dozen deadly bombings in few months, mostly ISIS, the PKK and their affiliated groups are behind this.
Ataturk must be rolling in his grave thanks to what Erdogan and his cronies are doing to his beloved nation.
The Russians on the other hand are just out for revenge (the jet that was shot down over Turkish airspace) and are most likely behind the spate of bombings we have seen over the past few months. I am almost certain they have agents on the ground supplying the PKK with explosives and weapons.
I'm not saying Erdogan is not blameworthy to a degree for the mess his country is in, but you have to understand there are a lot of factors in play here that do not necessarily involve him.
Ataturk realized the decaying Ottoman empire that was nothing even remotely close to the caliphate of the prophet's time on its last legs was about to be split up by foreign powers and he led his people when they were at their weakest. Even the Greeks who were occupied for close to a half a millennium by the Turks felt confident enough to invade and attempt to annex the western portion of the country. The Armenians in the east were also about to annex land. All this time the French,Italians,and British were all helping out the Greeks. He managed to defeat them all and forced the British,French,and other powers to come to the table and made them recognize the borders he set on the map.
He then realized how backward his country was and how something had to be done unless the the young Nation he founded ended up like the Ottoman Empire which took too long to modernize falling behind the west. So he made many sweeping reforms too many to list off the top of my head but those reforms made Turkey what it is today, the greatest Muslim nation on earth. You are completely misinformed about what this guy really did, so no he didn't close down mosques or ban Quran schools and neither did he give Turkey to foreigners, on the contrary he saved it from being colonized like his Arab neighbors. Lastly, he wasn't supportive of Zionists because he died before Israel was even formed.
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Re: Turkey quickly becoming another Middle-Eastern Shithole
Lancer wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625
Half a dozen deadly bombings in few months, mostly ISIS, the PKK and their affiliated groups are behind this.
Ataturk must be turning in his grave thanks to what Erdogan and his cronies are doing to his beloved nation.
Many former leaders of muslim countries are turning into their graves; Nasser, Saddam, Khadafi etc.
It was Ataturk philosophy which led to the alienation of the kurds.
But it is important to remember that islamic terrorism is a relatively new phenomenon (1990s Israel). The Kurds have really made a strategic blunder; AKP went further than any other party to grant them some rights. They should not have renewed their attacks in Turkey. They should have focused on Iraq and Syria. and soon a great Kurdish nation would have been a reality.
ISIS is a cancer. It feeds on religious divisions; sunni vs shia. Maybe a dialogue between Sunnis and Shias will make a difference. But, the problem is that Sunni Islam has been hijacked by wahabi ideology which is to a large extent bedouin arab culture. Sunni islam is hostage to wahabism and has become suicide islam.
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Look, if Erdogan is bad as you say, why did a large segment of the Kurdish population in Turkey vote for him? The truth is because he isn't. The media demonizes this guy. That alone shows he must be doing something right. The PKK kill a lot of Kurds, they are a terrorist organization. If they truly want change, the PKK should take part in the political process. However, they know no one is going to vote for them so they resort to violence and intimidation. By the way, Attaturk did close down Quran schools and he even went as far as banning the Hijab from government building, the guy was a total ceeb. Search it up for yourself.Lancer wrote:No dude, don't fall for the AKP's religious propaganda card, Erdogan and his party is just using it to gain support from his largely Sunni Conservative base at home and influence in Muslim countries around the world. Charity should start at home they say, he first needs to stop his country's oppressive policies towards Kurds to show how sincere he really is. He is subservient to the US and follows their policies in regards to Syria by arming extremist groups and allowing them to use his country's borders just so he can prevent another Kurdish Autonomous region like Iraq which I predict will eventually be happen. His government has been cracking down on newspapers and other opposition media making his country the second in the world next to china in the amount of Journalist jailed for petty reasons such as "insulting the presidency". One of the largest newspaper in the country Zaman was recently raided and turned pro-government after the raid.TheGrumpyGeeljire wrote:What you're reading on the media is completely biased and doesn't even cover the full extent of what's going on in Turkey. The Russians as well as the Americans are indirectly supporting the PKK, which is a listed terrorist organization. For the americans, the reason behind this is because Erdogan's pro-Muslim stand in his foreign policy and the fact that he is not completely subservient to the US, which was the case for previous undemocratic Turkish regimes. Notice I use the term 'not completely subservient' because there still are a lot of influential figures from Turkey's previous puppet government who still weld a significant amount of power in the judiciary and military. The US seeks to cause a regime change in Turkey by creating the ideal conditions inorder for the AKP party (ruling party) to lose popularity, where thereafter their secular pro-Israeli allies take over.Lancer wrote:http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35850625
Half a dozen deadly bombings in few months, mostly ISIS, the PKK and their affiliated groups are behind this.
Ataturk must be rolling in his grave thanks to what Erdogan and his cronies are doing to his beloved nation.
The Russians on the other hand are just out for revenge (the jet that was shot down over Turkish airspace) and are most likely behind the spate of bombings we have seen over the past few months. I am almost certain they have agents on the ground supplying the PKK with explosives and weapons.
I'm not saying Erdogan is not blameworthy to a degree for the mess his country is in, but you have to understand there are a lot of factors in play here that do not necessarily involve him.
Ataturk realized the decaying Ottoman empire that was nothing even remotely close to the caliphate of the prophet's time on its last legs was about to be split up by foreign powers and he led his people when they were at their weakest. Even the Greeks who were occupied for close to a half a millennium by the Turks felt confident enough to invade and attempt to annex the western portion of the country. The Armenians in the east were also about to annex land. All this time the French,Italians,and British were all helping out the Greeks. He managed to defeat them all and forced the British,French,and other powers to come to the table and made them recognize the borders he set on the map.
He then realized how backward his country was and how something had to be done unless the the young Nation he founded ended up like the Ottoman Empire which took too long to modernize falling behind the west. So he made many sweeping reforms too many to list off the top of my head but those reforms made Turkey what it is today, the greatest Muslim nation on earth. You are completely misinformed about what this guy really did, so no he didn't close down mosques or ban Quran schools and neither did he give Turkey to foreigners, on the contrary he saved it from being colonized like his Arab neighbors. Lastly, he wasn't supportive of Zionists because he died before Israel was even formed.
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Re: Turkey quickly becoming another Middle-Eastern Shithole
There the usual culprits go in their obsession with the Wahabi sect in the Hanbali School of Thought in Sunni Islam. Such people fail to be objective when it comes to knowing or discussing what is happening in Turkey, Syria, and Iraq as it relates to Turks, Kurds, and Arabs, and in the larger war imposed on the Arabs and Muslims in the greater Levant.
First, let us start with ISIS. It helps one to realize that there was no ISIS or any other extremist group before the unjustified and illegal war of aggression was launched on Iraq. What followed the aftermath of the invasion and the occupation was the marginalization of Sunni Arabs and Turkomen in Iraq from having a say in their country. Both the invading armies and their Rafida collaborators - led by Iran - made a deal that in order to achieve their objectives, the Sunnah must be uprooted. One should know that this pact was made before the invasion was even launched. According to the Iranian Rafida President at that time Mohamed Khatami, "Let us repeat what we did in Afghanistan in Iraq as well," is one of the famous quotes that he told the Western empire after Afghanistan was invaded and the Taliban was driven out power.
To respond to the invasion, the occupation, and the marginalization that followed, the Sunni Arabs put up the stiffest resistance that any group can ever mount. The occupation then responded in three ways: (1) They armed the Rafida sectarian death squads that preyed on the defenseless Sunni Muslim population; (2) they have also introduced the so-called "Al-Qaeda" bogeymen who would take credit whenever a bomb exploded in Shia majority markets; (3) the same "Al-Qaeda" bogeymen also secretly started assassinating the leaders of the different Sunni resistance groups. Keep in mind when all of these were happening, the war between the Sunni resistance groups on one side and the occupation and their Rafida allies on the other side was still raging.
The Sunni Arabs and Turkomen in Iraq have found themselves in a situation that was unsustainable. And to alleviate their suffering, they unleashed their fury on the bogeymen named "Al-Qaeda" where they almost wiped out those headless hooligans.
The occupation took advantage of this war between Sunnah in Iraq and the "Al-Qaeda" bogeymen by proposing to the Sunnah that they will work on to give them a voice in the "new Iraq" and start withdrawing from Iraq had the Sunni resistance groups stopped attacking the occupation. This is how the Awakening councils were established. And due to the unbearable situation that the Sunnah have found themselves in, they reached a consensus that they will give these proposals a chance.
The occupation departed, but had left under a new formula where the "new Iraq" is one controlled by Rafida Iran. None of the agreements reached between Sunnah in Iraq and the occupation were fulfilled, and the marginalization of Sunnah continued.
It was this environment that gave rise to ISIS. It is a combination of all different Iraqi Sunni groups, including Shafi'i, Sufi, Wahabi, Baathist, and Hanafi as well. Omar Al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, has been reported to be following the Shafi'i school of Thought. The Islamic university that he graduated is in Iraq, not in Saudi Arabia. Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, the last surviving Saddam Hussein's inner circle (he was recently reported dead but no confirmation was established), is a Sufi. And the rank-a -file of ISIS are all Iraqis from the disbanded Ba'ath Party and former Iraqi Republican Guards.
Sorry for the long comment, but I wrote all of that in order to respond to the childish comments some made here where they see everything "Wahabi" in their One-Eyed world-view. It doesn't mean that I support the actions and the agenda of ISIS, but my main point is, people need to have a context when they are discussing ISIS, Iraq, and Syria.
First, let us start with ISIS. It helps one to realize that there was no ISIS or any other extremist group before the unjustified and illegal war of aggression was launched on Iraq. What followed the aftermath of the invasion and the occupation was the marginalization of Sunni Arabs and Turkomen in Iraq from having a say in their country. Both the invading armies and their Rafida collaborators - led by Iran - made a deal that in order to achieve their objectives, the Sunnah must be uprooted. One should know that this pact was made before the invasion was even launched. According to the Iranian Rafida President at that time Mohamed Khatami, "Let us repeat what we did in Afghanistan in Iraq as well," is one of the famous quotes that he told the Western empire after Afghanistan was invaded and the Taliban was driven out power.
To respond to the invasion, the occupation, and the marginalization that followed, the Sunni Arabs put up the stiffest resistance that any group can ever mount. The occupation then responded in three ways: (1) They armed the Rafida sectarian death squads that preyed on the defenseless Sunni Muslim population; (2) they have also introduced the so-called "Al-Qaeda" bogeymen who would take credit whenever a bomb exploded in Shia majority markets; (3) the same "Al-Qaeda" bogeymen also secretly started assassinating the leaders of the different Sunni resistance groups. Keep in mind when all of these were happening, the war between the Sunni resistance groups on one side and the occupation and their Rafida allies on the other side was still raging.
The Sunni Arabs and Turkomen in Iraq have found themselves in a situation that was unsustainable. And to alleviate their suffering, they unleashed their fury on the bogeymen named "Al-Qaeda" where they almost wiped out those headless hooligans.
The occupation took advantage of this war between Sunnah in Iraq and the "Al-Qaeda" bogeymen by proposing to the Sunnah that they will work on to give them a voice in the "new Iraq" and start withdrawing from Iraq had the Sunni resistance groups stopped attacking the occupation. This is how the Awakening councils were established. And due to the unbearable situation that the Sunnah have found themselves in, they reached a consensus that they will give these proposals a chance.
The occupation departed, but had left under a new formula where the "new Iraq" is one controlled by Rafida Iran. None of the agreements reached between Sunnah in Iraq and the occupation were fulfilled, and the marginalization of Sunnah continued.
It was this environment that gave rise to ISIS. It is a combination of all different Iraqi Sunni groups, including Shafi'i, Sufi, Wahabi, Baathist, and Hanafi as well. Omar Al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS, has been reported to be following the Shafi'i school of Thought. The Islamic university that he graduated is in Iraq, not in Saudi Arabia. Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri, the last surviving Saddam Hussein's inner circle (he was recently reported dead but no confirmation was established), is a Sufi. And the rank-a -file of ISIS are all Iraqis from the disbanded Ba'ath Party and former Iraqi Republican Guards.
Sorry for the long comment, but I wrote all of that in order to respond to the childish comments some made here where they see everything "Wahabi" in their One-Eyed world-view. It doesn't mean that I support the actions and the agenda of ISIS, but my main point is, people need to have a context when they are discussing ISIS, Iraq, and Syria.
Re: Turkey quickly becoming another Middle-Eastern Shithole
Now back to the topic, if Turkey is destabilized, no Muslim should shed a tear for this treacherous entity. From the war against the Sunni Mamluks, to the facilitation of Zionist mass migration in Palestine, and to the current war against Syria, Turkey has proven to be an impostor - the same way that the House of Saud and the venomous snake that is Rafida Iran have proven themselves to be the enemies of Islam.
And whether it is Ataturk or Erdogan, it is the same; they all serve the same powers. What makes this Erdogan fella is even more dangerous is, he tries to hide behind Islam when he recently expelled the only Hamas member in his country in order to please his Zionist bosses. He is working hard to destabilize Syria but would never lift a finger for Iraqi Sunnis, Afghanistan, or Palestine. Keep in mind Turkey was part of the countries who attacked Libya. I don't get how people can go wrong on the treachery of this man named Erdogan and the impostor entity named Turkey.
The Fall of Constantinople, as it has been prophesied, has not taken place yet. Insha'Allah it will, very soon.
And whether it is Ataturk or Erdogan, it is the same; they all serve the same powers. What makes this Erdogan fella is even more dangerous is, he tries to hide behind Islam when he recently expelled the only Hamas member in his country in order to please his Zionist bosses. He is working hard to destabilize Syria but would never lift a finger for Iraqi Sunnis, Afghanistan, or Palestine. Keep in mind Turkey was part of the countries who attacked Libya. I don't get how people can go wrong on the treachery of this man named Erdogan and the impostor entity named Turkey.
The Fall of Constantinople, as it has been prophesied, has not taken place yet. Insha'Allah it will, very soon.
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Thanks bro HyperHyperactive wrote:geg

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