How can we improve without money?

[Gaashaanle1000]

I was thinking that most of Somalia's problems revolved around money, how much of it we owe, how much of it we have and how well we can distribute it among the people. The only problem is that today's monetary system is basically geared against the small man and for that matter most of humanity. In fact it is only a small amount out of the billions of humans on this planet that hold on to most of the wealth. We all know how they got there, and it was not through any benevolent behaviour, but rather through subversion and down right malevolent conspiracies that have robbed humanities wealth.

So my question is how would can we contribute in Somalia without the need of money ? What tangible ventures could we start without the need for large amounts of cash to get it moving along, or even with the minimum amount of cash necessary to just get the ball rolling a little bit from the start?

Imagine you went back home without any money. But you had the knowledge to contribute something, what would you do? How would you first secure your own future and then go about helping the people around you for a better future? Is this possible without money? Or have humanity become so attached to greed and the meaningless printed paper that we have forgotten about the abundance of wealth Allah has put all around us, If only we had the knowledge to utilize it.

Please contribute your ideas as it is well needed, and we can only move forward if we work together for the better good of all.

[Basra-]

Money is important. I mean, it looks like u like to make a difference. Why don't u take a long vacation to Somalia and help out in cleaning, or volunteering in hospital for free. Save a little money where u can live on while on vacation. Good luck! Life is a B!ch without money!

[Gaashaanle1000]

Money is important. I mean, it looks like u like to make a difference. Why don't u take a long vacation to Somalia and help out in cleaning, or volunteering in hospital for free. Save a little money where u can live on while on vacation. Good luck! Life is a B!ch without money!

Yep, life has become a B!ch without money for sure, but why does it have to be that way? Our grandparents, I mean most Somalis are only 1 to 2 generations out of the reer miiye life style, did not use money. They lived on the land with their livestock and moved from place to place as pastoralist nomads. Obviously we have better knowledge, and the means to do more than they did, as we have been exposed to how technology is possible and the importance of knowledge. Surely someone could venture the land and produce something of worth without the need for money....?

[GAMES]

The reason a lot of 3rd world countries are poor is not because of lack of money, but because they lack human capital.

If a country has a loyal, educated citizens, a good government that isn't corrupt, than it could reach places.

There are about 1 million Somalis living in the west now, and that is a big human capital. These people have all kinds of expertise, knowledge and experience.

Right now, no one is rushing to go back home and invest. Because the climate is not there for people to go back.

If the government was smart, they would have found a way to tap into that huge ex Somalis that live outside of Somalia. You need to offer them incentives and other stuff for them to return.

[Basra-]

God did not say so. Everything happens for a reason, and God controls the universe. When it is time, Somalia will have a good government and Somalis in the diaspora will flock back, and hopefull we will have a modern style Somalia with educated, new vibrant culture to begin. Radio jocks telling the weather in xamar, while Somalia airplanes descending down, above a high way traffic with Somali workers in their various automobiles coming from work, kids in school state buses, and the hustle and bustle of a nation rising with its shiny hills!

[Gaashaanle1000]

The reason a lot of 3rd world countries are poor is not because of lack of money, but because they lack human capital.

If a country has a loyal, educated citizens, a good government that isn't corrupt, than it could reach places.

There are about 1 million Somalis living in the west now, and that is a big human capital. These people have all kinds of expertise, knowledge and experience.

Right now, no one is rushing to go back home and invest. Because the climate is not there for people to go back.

If the government was smart, they would have found a way to tap into that huge ex Somalis that live outside of Somalia. You need to offer them incentives and other stuff for them to return.

To say that that money is not a contributing factor if not the main factor for poverty in the world at this current time is either very disingenuous or just plain ignorant.

"Human capital" has moved out of Somalia because the money has been removed from the country via political and economic destruction. Did you know that Somalia's debt is somewhere like 90% and above of its entire GDP. We owe money to some very big creditors and it is in the range of billions. Despite all of these loans we still have very little in the way of everyday infrastructure, and why do you think that is? hint hint

Somalia is 637,657 km² wide, it has resources that far outweigh anything people think is possible. Most of the land is uninhabited and free for us to return and do something. The only thing that holds people back is because they do not want to "invest" in something that they think will give them no capital return. The point of my post is why do you need capital return or profit? If you have the means to get things going with money, why are you not trying to free yourself from the monetary system and helping others to also do the same. You see how it all connects back to money, the very same thing you are denying is the cause.

Why do you think brain drain exists? It is because people want higher wages, and often times want a more comfortable life. They think more money will give them security. But they fail to realise that it is not money that gives security. You can still be robbed and killed inside your mansion, or taxed into oblivion by government.

I also dislike terms like human resources and human capital. We are more than just capital, or resources, we are unique creations of Allah and everyone deserves a chance to live decently.

[Jugjugwacwac]

Interesting topic. Money truly is a powerful tool, but that's all it is; a tool. It's merely a means to an end but unfortunately people view it as an end in and of itself. For example if recurrent droughts and lack of rain water could be addressed our farmers and pastoralists could enjoy a standard of living that makes middle class urban life seem poverty-tier in comparison. And all of it would require little to no money to get started since the farms and animal herds are usually inherited. But the globalist-corporate-consumerist zeitgeist brainwashes us to believe that traditional modes of living are unsustainable and backward, and that being a cog in the corporate rat race is the way forward, when it reality you're nothing but a dameer la raranayo. Somalia needs to invest in its farms, livestock, frankincense/myrrh and fish and bring these industries into the 21st century. Wallahi we would reap billions of dollars a year.

[GAMES]

Gaashaanle, its a question of which one comes first.

Does Somalia need billions and billions of dollars before it could have productive, educated citizens, OR does it need smart, educated citizens before it can have billions billions of dollars.

Lacag is not gonna do anything, if u have incompetent and corrupt leaders. People would just leave the country.

[GAMES]

LooL adiga u want us to depend on natural resources. Why does every Somali think that if we discover OIL, GAS in Somalia all our problems would go away and we would all live like kings with nothing to worry about.

Depending on natural resources for ur income, always turns out really bad. Look at Angola, Nigeria and Arab countries. Oil has become a curse than anything else.

And Somalis would be no different. Only few people would benefit from it and get rich from it.

Thats why human capital is more important than money or oil. Because its the people who create the wealth.

[Gaashaanle1000]

Interesting topic. Money truly is a powerful tool, but that's all it is; a tool. It's merely a means to an end but unfortunately people view it as an end in and of itself. For example if recurrent droughts and lack of rain water could be addressed our farmers and pastoralists could enjoy a standard of living that makes middle class urban life seem poverty-tier in comparison. And all of it would require little no money to get started since the farms and animal herds are usually inherited. But the globalist-corporate-consumerist zeitgeist brainwashes us to believe that traditional modes of living are unsustainable and backward, and that being a cog in the corporate rat race is the way forward, when it reality you're nothing but a dameer la raranayo. Somalia needs to invest in its farms, livestock, frankincense/myrrh and fish and bring these industries into the 21st century. Wallahi we would reap billions of dollars a year.

Hey brother, you are right, we are nothing more than free range slaves walking about thinking about where the next printed fiat bullshit currency will come from.

Why do we need to reap billions if all of our people can be made to live a comfortable life without the need of us making money? If we have the knowledge and dedication, every Somali and even every human, could live a decent life without the need for money. Our land is abundant, and we could grow and produce everything we need.

Think about this. When your body receives nutrients, the brain will want a lions share, as it is involved in running all the executive functions of your body. But then the lungs, the liver, the heart and every other organ and cell in your body will need some of the nutrients, so the body distributes it accordingly. This is the ingenious creation of Allah. Your toe is injured, the brain does not say lets hold a meeting and bring together a committe to see if we can afford to heal the toe and then take a vote. No the body is automatically healed, unless you are suffering from a systematic failure followed by death which is only natural and awaits us all.

I would propose, why not help each other without the need of trying to make a greedy fake buck from others? We could make all of us rich and content and free to explore and venture things that are beyond trivially trying to survive, running after something dangled in front of us by Shaydaan.

If you started a farm, and had enough to feed your family, and your entire village, why then do you have to charge others instead of providing it for free? People would come back to me and say, well you would be taken for a fool and maybe even robbed. Well that could and would still happen even when you are trying to charge people for the food. My point is that there are other ways of living, rather than just the money focused life we have been made to believe in.

[Gaashaanle1000]

LooL adiga u want us to depend on natural resources. Why does every Somali think that if we discover OIL, GAS in Somalia all our problems would go away and we would all live like kings with nothing to worry about.

Depending on natural resources for ur income, always turns out really bad. Look at Angola, Nigeria and Arab countries. Oil has become a curse than anything else.

And Somalis would be no different. Only few people would benefit from it and get rich from it.

Thats why human capital is more important than money or oil. Because its the people who create the wealth.

I actually agree with you on that one.

We do not need oil, we can first start small, and invest in our children, teach them science and technology. We have many gifted minds being wasted away in public indoctrination schools overseas that could potentially develop sustainable new technologies. Back home people do not have the know how, and they have been beaten down psychologically, bah dil if you will in Somali.

There are technologies such as Solar which can be expanded, or tidal and geothermal. We have the capabilities, we just need the hard work and investment in time to achieve these things. But first we have to secure the living standards of our people as a whole, and that means developing agriculture and providing healthy clean food to all!

When your body has vital nutrients, you can think, your mind can afford to venture into places of innovation.

[GAMES]

LooL so you believe money isn't important and that people shouldn't work for a monetary gain as long as their basic needs such as food and shelter is taken care of.

That's kinda strange.

[Hyperactive]

money is very important, even Arab Bedouins changed their lives in very short time.

but somalis as usual they are too late in the game. hada mel laka bilanaba ma leh. people so ahead of us while fighting on dusty ethiopian control-ed villages!!

[Gaashaanle1000]

money is very important, even Arab Bedouins changed their lives in very short time.

but somalis as usual they are too late in the game. hada mel laka bilanaba ma leh. people so ahead of us while fighting on dusty ethiopian control-ed villages!!

Explain to me why "money is very important"?

What tangible worth does money have on its own? The real money is the resources and land out there. The real money is the wealth and abundance made available by Allah to all that are willing to go out there and achieve it. You can live without money, but you cannot live without air, food, water, sunlight and a many many other abundances most people have been given. If a single person can live without money, then so can an entire society. The only thing that prevents it is greed, and the fact that people think it is "important" without understanding. Allah has given us planet Earth, and believe me it is enough to sustain all human beings here. Did you know that we already produce enough food for 10 billion people and people are still hungry?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-holt ... 63429.html

This is all because of greed. Why do we need to throw away so much food, instead of giving it away for free?

Arabs have the most corrupt and ignorant leaders on this planet. Do not even get me started on Saudi Arabia's stupidity and how they literally sold their soul to the Shaydaan by allowing America to rob them dry in plain daylight. America basically built Saudi Arabia in exchange for petrodollars. They took their resources and made them dependent on their technology, whilst at the same time keeping them ignorant, fat, stupid and lazy. Don't tell me about how we are behind any Arab, because believe it or not, NO! we are not!

[Hyperactive]

resources need money to invest it and make of it, even human need money to work and feed.

we are behind very much, our mentality is the problem. how ever money is the essential. i cannot even go volunteer without money. i need food, accommodations.

taslabo ma qaado kartid without money.