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sxb,somalia of today is not somalia of 1977 crooked leadeship,we are not at war with ethiopia or any other neighbour,SNA with hardware capability to fight alone against alshabab/isis dogs is enough and to ensure local rebellion is crushed,ethiopia is a neighbour country that has a stake in HOA but it will be foolish to return to the 77 failed policy,we want somalia who is developing ,doing reconstruction,rebuilding after 30 year of never ending man eat man disaster,a country who is peace with her neigbour and with her self,somalia has seen the worst it can experience,has stooped to the lowest of the low,five years ago,250,000 or quarter million somalis died from alshabab orchestrated famine after they killed,refused the farmers to grow crop by accusing them of being apostates,levying heavy taxes on farmers which discourage farming but today thanks to our admisntration/government under HSM we are doing fine even though some parts of the country is suffering and we need to help them with what we can.
let me not digress,Russia is just after $$$ and they will upgrade the SNA capability to liquadate the terrorist child killers russia knows and suffered terrorism so at the end it is not only russia we can do bussiness with the whole world is open to us through our recognized government and we can do bussiness with anybody.
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Its a good link and I know ethiopia has once suggested to the US govt to halt it's military brogram for somalia "wich is not yet ready for this" kerry told them stright " this is bilateral relationship" and that they shouldn't mind somalias participation in the regional security

This was when he called garguurte to meet him in addis

The US govt had then some agenda of establishing the military institution of somalia modeled after Egypt as they got disapponted by the central govt/SFG and the federal regions

So they said let us establish an independent military institution that should provide order and security across somalia until the govt gets stronger

I think they had some list of generals one of them was gen hamud who got removed from the defence ministry to the police due to his the foreign contacts including Saudi Arabia who invited him!

Dj r afraid of the army and think this may effect their future role like the MB in egypt and see this as kind of "ashaado ladirir"!

But I think is this about Russia and the horn in general, the missing US world leadership under obama has led even its allies like Egypt, Afghanistan and iraq to seek rassia!

So imagin Russia having egypt, Syria, Iran and iraq in the middleeast and somalia and ethiopia in the horn of Africa?

That's whats about these contacts for russia

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pat ... leadership


http://www.wsj.com/articles/iraqis-urge ... 1444152440


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-0 ... fight-isis
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Re: Ethiopia asks Russia not to help Somalia build an Army

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Video shows Tedros Adhanom and OP says "Stupid Amxaaro".

What year do you live in? 1940? 1975? or were you living in your cave all this time?
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That is normal and Russia has always sided with Ethiopia throughout history from Ahmed Gurey, Menelik conquest of Ogaden to the defeat and collapse of Somali Republic following the 1977 war,

Ethiopia is like Israel. The Government always pleas to the Christian world that it is a Christian "island" in a sea of Muslim states. Israel is the same.

So when both see something that could threaten their own state------they put pressure on the powerful state not to arm its rivals.

Israel recently protested against Russia selling its missiles to Iran and Ethiopia too doesn't want Russian arms for Somalia.

Russia will however give Somalia lip services so they don't alienate them and seek US support instead.
Russia freezes Iran missile sale following Israeli pressure

Following protests by Israel, Russia freezes controversial sale of heavy anti-air missiles to Iran.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has frozen missiles bound for Iran amid Israeli protest of the sale, the Kuwaiti paper Al-Jarida reports.

According to the report, an order of S-300 heavy surface-to-air missiles purchased by Iran has been put on hold by the Russian leader following talks with Israeli officials.

Israel criticized the sale, claiming that at least some of the S-300 missiles would likely fall into the hands of the Hezbollah terror group in Lebanon. The presence of long-range anti-aircraft missiles along Israel’s border would threaten both military and civilian flights inside Israel.

According to Al-Jarida, Russia halted the shipment of the missiles after Israel provided evidence that other surface-to-air missiles sold by Russia to Iran had ended up in Hezbollah’s hands.

Russian pilots operating in the area confirmed Israel’s claims, positively identifying SA-22 missile batteries in Hezbollah-controlled territory in Lebanon.

Since the outbreak of the Syrian civil war, military ties between Russia, Syria, and Iran have tightened, with increased sales of advanced weapons and even direct intervention by Russian forces in the area.

With the release of billions of dollars in frozen assets and the end of economic sanctions, Iran has placed large orders for Russian-made heavy weaponry, including missiles, warplanes, submarines, and tanks.

However, Israel's own ties with Moscow have similarly strengthened, with Russia granting the Israel Air Force freedom to operate over Syria against threats to the Jewish state, while Israel has, among other things, granted Russian aircraft permission to use Israeli air space in their battle against Islamist rebels.
I don't expect bimbos like blood to comprehend such issues.
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blood wrote:sxb,somalia of today is not somalia of 1977 crooked leadeship,we are not at war with ethiopia or any other neighbour,SNA with hardware capability to fight alone against alshabab/isis dogs is enough and to ensure local rebellion is crushed,ethiopia is a neighbour country that has a stake in HOA but it will be foolish to return to the 77 failed policy,we want somalia who is developing ,doing reconstruction,rebuilding after 30 year of never ending man eat man disaster,a country who is peace with her neigbour and with her self,somalia has seen the worst it can experience,has stooped to the lowest of the low,five years ago,250,000 or quarter million somalis died from alshabab orchestrated famine after they killed,refused the farmers to grow crop by accusing them of being apostates,levying heavy taxes on farmers which discourage farming but today thanks to our admisntration/government under HSM we are doing fine even though some parts of the country is suffering and we need to help them with what we can.
let me not digress,Russia is just after $$$ and they will upgrade the SNA capability to liquadate the terrorist child killers russia knows and suffered terrorism so at the end it is not only russia we can do bussiness with the whole world is open to us through our recognized government and we can do bussiness with anybody.

The Somalia of tomorrow will be a economical powerhouse, we will buy the amxaaro instead of wasting our blood on 80 millions slaves.


But at the same we should have a military capable of defending its people,land and resources!!!!!
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sahal80 wrote:Its a good link and I know ethiopia has once suggested to the US govt to halt it's military brogram for somalia "wich is not yet ready for this" kerry told them stright " this is bilateral relationship" and that they shouldn't mind somalias participation in the regional security

This was when he called garguurte to meet him in addis

The US govt had then some agenda of establishing the military institution of somalia modeled after Egypt as they got disapponted by the central govt/SFG and the federal regions

So they said let us establish an independent military institution that should provide order and security across somalia until the govt gets stronger

I think they had some list of generals one of them was gen hamud who got removed from the defence ministry to the police due to his the foreign contacts including Saudi Arabia who invited him!

Dj r afraid of the army and think this may effect their future role like the MB in egypt and see this as kind of "ashaado ladirir"!

But I think is this about Russia and the horn in general, the missing US world leadership under obama has led even its allies like Egypt, Afghanistan and iraq to seek rassia!

So imagin Russia having egypt, Syria, Iran and iraq in the middleeast and somalia and ethiopia in the horn of Africa?

That's whats about these contacts for russia

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pat ... leadership


http://www.wsj.com/articles/iraqis-urge ... 1444152440


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-0 ... fight-isis

Everyone has understood the west plays games, but Russia ruthlessly kills terrorist.
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AwRastaale wrote:That is normal and Russia has always sided with Ethiopia throughout history from Ahmed Gurey, Menelik conquest of Ogaden to the defeat and collapse of Somali Republic following the 1977 war,

Ethiopia is like Israel. The Government always pleas to the Christian world that it is a Christian "island" in a sea of Muslim states. Israel is the same.

So when both see something that could threaten their own state------they put pressure on the powerful state not to arm its rivals.

Israel recently protested against Russia selling its missiles to Iran and Ethiopia too doesn't want Russian arms for Somalia.

Russia will however give Somalia lip services so they don't alienate them and seek US support instead.
Russia freezes Iran missile sale following Israeli pressure

Following protests by Israel, Russia freezes controversial sale of heavy anti-air missiles to Iran.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has frozen missiles bound for Iran amid Israeli protest of the sale, the Kuwaiti paper Al-Jarida reports.

According to the report, an order of S-300 heavy surface-to-air missiles purchased by Iran has been put on hold by the Russian leader following talks with Israeli officials.

Israel criticized the sale, claiming that at least some of the S-300 missiles would likely fall into the hands of the Hezbollah terror group in Lebanon. The presence of long-range anti-aircraft missiles along Israel’s border would threaten both military and civilian flights inside Israel.

According to Al-Jarida, Russia halted the shipment of the missiles after Israel provided evidence that other surface-to-air missiles sold by Russia to Iran had ended up in Hezbollah’s hands.

Russian pilots operating in the area confirmed Israel’s claims, positively identifying SA-22 missile batteries in Hezbollah-controlled territory in Lebanon.

Since the outbreak of the Syrian civil war, military ties between Russia, Syria, and Iran have tightened, with increased sales of advanced weapons and even direct intervention by Russian forces in the area.

With the release of billions of dollars in frozen assets and the end of economic sanctions, Iran has placed large orders for Russian-made heavy weaponry, including missiles, warplanes, submarines, and tanks.

However, Israel's own ties with Moscow have similarly strengthened, with Russia granting the Israel Air Force freedom to operate over Syria against threats to the Jewish state, while Israel has, among other things, granted Russian aircraft permission to use Israeli air space in their battle against Islamist rebels.
I don't expect bimbos like blood to comprehend such issues.

Great points I agree, even though your pro habeshas agenda cringes me at times
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well done Ethiopia we must not allow zoomalia to exist as a viable state let alone let them build an army

Somaliland Ethiopia Russia and the East African Community nations must come together and combat the terrorism and extremism of balkanized Italian :som: who are guided by corrupt Arabs and turks
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Somalia will get small force sufficient enough to maintain own security but for anything else it will have to be endorsed by Ethiopia especially US, NATO or Russian plans.

The only options for Somalia are Turkey and Egypt but those need US or Russian approvals too.
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AwRastaale wrote: The [Ethiopian] Government always pleas to the Christian world that it is a Christian "island" in a sea of Muslim states.
This is a completely false notion. It is in fact the Somali Peninsula that is an Island of Islam, in a ocean of Christianity, Animism and Syncretism.

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TheFuturist,

Ethiopia coined this term in the 15th century and it came handy during the scramble for Africa.

The colonial powers brought Christianity.
Only nine million Christians were in Africa in 1900, but by the year 2000, there were an estimated 380 million Christians there. Much of the recent Christian growth in Africa has been due to African evangelism rather than European missionaries.
The European colonials brought Evangelism. Even in Ethiopia it's challenging the Othordox.
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The bottom line is the discussion is Somalia having capable security forces. No matter how many times Ethiopia makes noises, it is only matter of time before we have well-equipped armed forces. The changing geopolitics are aiding Somalis to accomplish that task - provided Somali leaders pursue that option wisely.
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Too bad because Russian training is well suited to developing countries, and very effective .
The performance of troops all over the world trained by the US and their mercenary groups, in Georgia, Afghanistan and Iraq were abysmal.
infact units trained by the US and Isreal in gerogia performed far worse than the units that did not receive any foreign training,

The US has no clue on how to train local troops to an adequate level,
infact they themselves do not train to realistic levels,
so imagine if the US faces a real war in the future.
no GPS, no smart bombs will work, massive jamming on radios, on radar.
your logistics is fucked, not enough fuel, not enough ammo.
the common US tactic of blowing everything to hell if surprised or suckerpunched will not work if your supply has been messed with , and you need to conserve ammo.

Somalia needs realistic training, we need Russian training.
In a few months the Russians secretly trained the people of donbass and created an armed force far superior to anything in kiev.
ofcourse they had good raw material, they had educated people and allot of veterans.

but if they could do it in a few months, with them, imagine what they could do with somalis or Iraqis in a few years.
They have already revamped and re-trained the Syrian Arab army to a level far higher than they were in just 3 to 6 months.

The Iraqis are begging for the same, but their US masters said, no...
flat out no..

The Iraqis could become independent if their army learns how to fight.
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gurey25 wrote:Too bad because Russian training is well suited to developing countries, and very effective .
The performance of troops all over the world trained by the US and their mercenary groups, in Georgia, Afghanistan and Iraq were abysmal.
infact units trained by the US and Isreal in gerogia performed far worse than the units that did not receive any foreign training,

The US has no clue on how to train local troops to an adequate level,
infact they themselves do not train to realistic levels,

so imagine if the US faces a real war in the future.
no GPS, no smart bombs will work, massive jamming on radios, on radar.
your logistics is fucked, not enough fuel, not enough ammo.
the common US tactic of blowing everything to hell if surprised or suckerpunched will not work if your supply has been messed with , and you need to conserve ammo.

Somalia needs realistic training, we need Russian training.
In a few months the Russians secretly trained the people of donbass and created an armed force far superior to anything in kiev.
ofcourse they had good raw material, they had educated people and allot of veterans.

but if they could do it in a few months, with them, imagine what they could do with somalis or Iraqis in a few years.
They have already revamped and re-trained the Syrian Arab army to a level far higher than they were in just 3 to 6 months.

The Iraqis are begging for the same, but their US masters said, no...
flat out no..

The Iraqis could become independent if their army learns how to fight.
Then how do you explain the success of CIA- trained Alpha group commando unit, which is the best and the most experienced special force unit in the eastern Africa ? Are you saying the Russians can train better special force units than Alpha group in somalia ?

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