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HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

Post by RoobleAlWaliid »

The Habr Maqdi mentioned in the Futuh Al Habasha : THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA [16th Century]

Was non other than the Habr Maqdr of the Gadabursi.

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Which both I.M. Lewis and Pankhurst support to be true.

First the Gadabursi(naaneys/nickname) is a clan-name that was created after the Adal wars.
It's sole existence is based on it. After they were defeated and dealt serious blows by the Abysinnians and Amoud was turned to rubble.

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Amoud

Ahmed(Maxamed/Muxamuud/Samaroon(naaneys real name Maxamed/Axmed) Guray in a desperate attempt tried to muster the power of his kinsmen in a last effort before he made a final stant against the Abyssinian which afterwards Amoud was destroyed by Abyssinian invaders.

The Gadabuursi later suffered a devastating defeat and actually the present day Amuud which has an old cemetery called Lafaruug was destroyed by the Amhara King. Also, it was at this period that the Said ad-Diin was killed.

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Ahmed Guray from which he drew the Habar Maqdr and the Habar Afan.
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This is why you will still have the Gadabursi elders talk about the wars and Axmed Guray and they could tell you which subclan he was without blinking an eye. He was of the Abrayn/Abrein of the Mahad Case / 'Ase of the Habr Maqdr/ Habar Makador/ Habar Makadur.

Can any other clan pinpoint to which subclan their men in the Adal wars belonged. No! They were not at the center of the battle.


Gadabursi, especially Habar Maqdr and Geri Koombe are living proof of the Adal wars, since their elders still have accounts of the war and the wars have destroyed a lot of their wealth and men and have them left recovering since that day. Back in those days Geri was a huge clan and the Habr Maqdr today would've been bigger had it not been for the wars.

Even after Ahmed Gerri Bin Husain/ Axmed Guray had to muster the power of his kinsmen. Time passed and after the wars the Gadabursi announced their first Ugaas to lead the new clan of which the female founder was a Geri queen herself named Khadija Sheekh.

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Now let's continue.

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It's obvious that the first clan to reach the Imam was none other than the Habr Maqdr / Habar Makador, since the battle was at the center of their lands and they encamped above the valley of Harar. The valley of Harar today is nothing other than the Harerghe Valley or the Hararre Valley or the Hawrawa Valley or the Harawo Valley of the Gadabursi.

Now any western traveler in the past trying to reach Harar had to pass through the country of the Gadabursi(Harar Valley).

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The first of tribes to reach the imam was the Habr Makador/ Habar Maqdr / Habr Makadur, with their lord and chieftain Ahmad Guray bin Husain, the Somali. They encampedin a place called Qasa in the heights above the valley of Harar. They showed off their equipment and their weapons, and paraded their horses. They were knights, and what knights! And they were foot-soldiers; and what foot-soldiers! The imam rejoiced at their arrival exceedingly.. They met the imam face to face, and he welcomed them with the warmest of welcomes. He gave them gifts of apparel, and provisions, and treated them graciously, garbing their chieftain, Ahmed Guray, in particularly exquisite clothing. After them it was the tribe of Geri who came up. Their chieftain was Mattan bin Uthman bin Kaled, the Somali. They showed off their weaponry and armour, paraded their horses and had their bows slun sash-like over their shoulders as they met the imam face to face. He commanded them to then to go ahead to a place called Sim. Their chieftain had brought with him his wife Fardusa, the sister of the imam Ahmad. And he set out ahead, he and his army.

Futuh al Habasha, THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA, (16th century) page 43/44.
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Gadabuursi are divided into two subgroups: the Habar Makadur and Habar Arfan, which in turn are divided into reer and bah. The Gadabursi are indicated to often graze in the territory of the Jigjiga(Giggiga).
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:lupe:

You are on to something young man. Habar Makadur definitely sounds closer to Habar Maqdi than Habar Magadle.

Time to edit the Futhul Habash Wikipedia page. :mrgreen:
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zumaale wrote::lupe:

You are on to something young man. Habar Makadur definitely sounds closer to Habar Maqdi than Habar Magadle.

Time to edit the Futhul Habash Wikipedia page. :mrgreen:
Thank you cuz

It can't be Habar Magaadleh even the book itself adds Habr Makadur as a note.

It also mentions the Gorgorah. Since the managed to write Gorgorah well. I can't see why they couldn't have written Magaadleh with a G. You see if it was the case, they would've written Gorgorah as Qorqorah with the arabic Qaaf.


The i at the end of the name Habr Maqdi was probably, because of the confusion between an Arabic raa'. ر and the "kasra"

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In Arabic script, the vowel point for "i", appearing as a small diagonalline placed below a letter: ـِ (-i) and designating a short /i/. If the Arabic letter ي (yāʾ) immediately follows, it indicates a long /ī/.

So or the raa'. ر was confused for a ي (yāʾ) /ī/



Either way Arabs don't confuse a G for a Qaaf .

They might confused a Qaaf for a Kaaf or a J for a G.

This is why it's Maqdr
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Re: HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

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Good read, Rooble. :up:

Is the book available through Amazon?
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gegiroor wrote:Good read, Rooble. :up:

Is the book available through Amazon?
Yes it is bro plus FREE SHIPPING lol :up: :D
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Re: HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

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So Habr Magaadle, one of the most attested to Somali clans in Somali history and the clan of Ahmed Gurey himself didn't take part in the Futuh but some isignificant clan nobody's ever heard of has? Sit down, my Gadabursi friend. :lol:
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Rooble

You are right bro about the author's use of the word 'G'.

I no longer have the book anymore. Lent it to a man who passed away AUN. Please check for me if there are clans clan called Barsub/Barsug and Masare in the book; I remember reading the book and seeing those clans listed there.
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Re: HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

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RoobleAlWaliid wrote:
gegiroor wrote:Good read, Rooble. :up:

Is the book available through Amazon?
Yes it is bro plus FREE SHIPPING lol :up: :D
Good stuff, bro. Beesha Samaroon Siciid has always been the good side of history 8-) :up:
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You need to sit down. Habr Maqdr was a huge clan and despite having lost thousands of men, still is. You're elders have no accounts of the wars, neither can you pinpoint the Ahmed Guray to a Habar Magaadle clan??? which one was he, but we can with the Habr Makadur and we always have remembered it.

The fighting was not on your lands and Gadabursi didn't exist at the times of the Adal wars. Rather the clans fighting were aggregated into a Gadabursi clan claiming descent of the Imam.

Plus we have our Amoud as a strong evidence. Tell me some destroyed Isaaq ruins by the wars?

A bigger clan Ogaden is not even mentioned.
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LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:So Habr Magaadle, one of the most attested to Somali clans in Somali history and the clan of Ahmed Gurey himself didn't take part in the Futuh but some isignificant clan nobody's ever heard of has? Sit down, my Gadabursi friend. :lol:
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They very well may have taken part in the Futhul Habash campaign, however, the question remains who were the Habar Maqdi? Anyone can claim that they were so and so but that cannot be taken as fact. The notes accompanying Futhul Habash states that they were most likely Habar Makadur, however, it is still open to debate because that is one man's guess.
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Re: HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

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gegiroor wrote:
Good stuff, bro. Beesha Samaroon Siciid has always been the good side of history 8-) :up:
:up: 8-) iyo Siciid Harti Daarwiish
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Re: HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

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Imam Ahmed al GAZI and Ahmed Gurey are two different people. How hard a concept is that to understand? Imam Ahmed, the leader of the expedition was most likely Afar/arab hybrid, but the Chief of the Habr Magaadle clan is Ahmed Gurey. You can't 'pinpoint' anything using highly biased faqashized sources which remove all significant Isaaq contributions from Somali history.

I have never heard of Habr Maqdi in my life. It may just be a corruption of the name Habr Magaadle/Magaade or it may be an independent clan that lived north (there were like hundreds of those).

Also, how can my 'elders' have an account of a war that happened 500 yrs ago? Do your elders have an account of baby Jesus being born? Somali oral history is muddled and unreliable for the most part. Only written primary sources can be trusted.
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