Awoowo Question

[MujahidAishah]

Awoowo macan I tried reading your darawish revision thread and got confused by all the insults getting tossed around..

I would like to ask you some question about Sayid maxamed abdulla xassan.. my knowledge about sayidka is limited at best


1: why did sayidka decide to fight the English

2: why as reer sh Isxaaq do we not see the Sayid as this freedom fighter like the rest of somalia.. We don't have a school named after him nor a memorial like the one in xamar

3: why did he align with dhulbahante and not the rest of darood

4: who when where and why did he say af gaal ama af Muslim mid uun aan nigu soo noqodo..

[X.Playa]

First of all no isaaq calls him "sayid" modern isaaq call him ina cabdulle xasan, the isaaq who were his contemporary just called him "ina Carro". The daarood call him sayid reverently.

About the so called jihad against the British began when the Roman Catholic mission at berbera converted some poor orphans the incident with the children with the fathers was spread or experienced by sultan Nuur not the mullah as the daarood revisionist claim, in essence the founders of the dervish were Isaacs not daarood the mullah however was the spiritual leader of the movement.

The dhulbahant were forced by the movement after the mullah excuted their graad the mullah essentially functioned as the graad of the dhulos.

Why modern isaaq hate the dervish its simply due to the fact that the modern revisionism of the dervish history cleansed isaaq leaders out of the movement and basically used the new manufactured history as thinly veiled isaaq hate, so the isaaq inistinctly know when the dervish is mentioned its basically a hate preach and daarood supremacy at work.

[MujahidAishah]

First of all no isaaq calls him "sayid" modern isaaq call him ina cabdulle xasan, the isaaq who were his contemporary just called him "ina Carro". The daarood call him sayid reverently.

About the so called jihad against the British began when the Roman Catholic mission at berbera converted some poor orphans the incident with the children with the fathers was spread or experienced by sultan Nuur not the mullah as the daarood revisionist claim, in essence the founders of the dervish were Isaacs not daarood the mullah however was the spiritual leader of the movement.

The dhulbahant were forced by the movement after the mullah excuted their graad the mullah essentially functioned as the graad of the dhulos.

Why modern isaaq hate the dervish its simply due to the fact that the modern revisionism of the dervish history cleansed isaaq leaders out of the movement and basically used the new manufactured history as thinly veiled isaaq hate, so the isaaq inistinctly know when the dervish is mentioned its basically a hate preach and daarood supremacy at work.

If Suldan Nuur founded the darawish why is our history in the movement white washed and removed from history..

Hold on ina hassan behead thier garaad and became the new garad even when he was a og ..

[X.Playa]

Yup he basically enslaved the dhulos.

[MujahidAishah]

Yup he basically enslaved the dhulos.

He beheaded thier garad lead them to war with the British got them to damn near extinction waar wuxu garacsanaa

I shouldnt talk about the dead I would like to apologise aun to all the dead

If dhulbahante didn't follow him fight the war they would have been more numerous than the og

[X.Playa]

The mullah committed more crimes against the dhulos and ogaden then any other clan, he married around 11 dhulos women, he killed his dhulbahante brother in law and the father of his wife yet he continued to make love to the woman whom he killed her brother and father, yet the dhulos worship the man. Go figure.

[balwarama]

first of all Suldaan Nuur Xirsi Amaan AUN was indeed anti colonial warrior and he died being one he was also the most senior clan chief to have headed to call for Jihad by the sayid eventhou he was engaged in the struggle on his own using his kinsmen when the call to unite forces came from the Sayid he was the first to go there and became one of the founders of the Dervish movement the idea of establishing such a movement was ina Cabdille Xassans since he was better versed and had ambitions of being a political leader Maxamed Cabdille Xasan can be characterised as the first Somali politician ever as for the Dhulbahante yes indeed he did murder Garaad Cali of the Maxamuud Garaad but he didnt replace him and had no intention of becoming a clan chief he saw himself as the leader of the Somali people everywhere and his Dervish movement has later morphed in to some form of psydou government with soldiers from all over the Somali peninsula. The Dhulbahante being warriors and good horse men as well supremacists towards the Isaaq is well documented by the English explorers

[balwarama]

mr Xplaya what ever crimes by the Sayid we are not cuqdad ridden we understand the bigger picture I understand why Isaaqs opposed him overwhelmingly for it was a nonstartet to be lead and told what to do by a Darood man since they have never seen anything good coming from the Darood side

[X.Playa]

mr Xplaya what ever crimes by the Sayid we are not cuqdad ridden we understand the bigger picture I understand why Isaaqs opposed him overwhelmingly for it was a nonstartet to be lead and told what to do by a Darood man since they have never seen anything good coming from the Darood side

99% of daarood opposed the movement. No different then the isaaq. The problem is you are relying on Aw Jaamac version of the dervish. So far I have gathered around 2000 pages of monthly intelligence and every one of these intelligence belies aw jaamacs book. What aw jaamac wrote was an advertisement for his tribe not history.

Despite 50 years of supposedly gathering dervish history aw jaamacs knowledge is a limited.

[balwarama]

Awjaamac allaha unaxariisto did a birilliant job there is no way we can pay him back but to ask for mercy on his soul from the lord Awjaamac took it up on himself against all odds to record the dervish history at a very critical time what ever he left out can be rectified and added to the books after expertly examinig it he was human with biases as its our nature one thing is for sure thou he was definitely way ahead of his time if it wasnt for Awjaamac much of the things we talk about today would have been lost

[balwarama]

besides there are too sides to a story right! Awjaamac was writing history from the side of vanquished Derwiishs where as you taking history the side of the british victors what Awjaamac did was he denied the victors to write the history of the 20 years of uninterrupted challenge to their rule for that alone he deserves all the praises

[X.Playa]

We are talking about the daily and more monthly events, interviews of dervish who defected who was who in the dervish camp. These are not opinion thats real history as opposed to Aw Jaamac interviewing his dhulbahante like maxamud xoosh.I

[balwarama]

yeah but defected to who the English right well then I dont want to hear what the English the occupier has to say and their so called defectors

[X.Playa]

Exactly so we rather take aw jaamacs fake history, its good for the daarood, but for most sane educated folks am trusting the meticulous gathering of information by the British rather then hebel oo daaroodaa yidhi.