Cafar Abtirsi

[James Dahl]

After much research I have some understanding of the Cafar abtirsi and how it relates to the royal dynasties of the Cafar triangle.

First of all I have a full understanding of the Sultanate of Awsa, here are all the Sultans:
http://www.abtirsi.com/dynasty.php?dynasty=13

I have the full abtirsi of the Modayto sultans to their clan ancestor Moday to Xadhalmaaxis, the ancestor of all of the Casahyammara or "Red Afar".

The Casahyammara are a new clan, Xadhalmaaxis probably died around 1400.

[MayDay777]

which is the most laandheer Canfar clan? the Ogaden equivalent?

[AwRastaale]

all African abtiris are false and fabricated stories.

The only thing that makes sense is DNA.

All the Somali Arab fathered BS are fake so are those of Afaris who claim similar stories. The same is true with Habeshi.

It's time to abandon the fake Arab jihadist fathers.

Isaaq, Darod and all the other "sheikh" aabo were no different than Sheikh Zubeir, Sheikh Rambo of al Shabab.

After they came to the land as jihadists. The Arabs convinced the locals that only those who claim ancestry to Arab clerics go to heaven. Slowly the people developed "Arab" identity based on faith not ancestry. Anyone who was identified as a Muslim was automatically Arab and his father was one of the Jihadists buried in the local area.

Many people of different ancestry who came under such jihadist as fighters and as loyalists automatically became same tribe over night.

Such bogus stories do not entertain me for I am too smart to believe their BS including empty tombs.

Imagine 1200 years from today people saying their father was Ahmed Godane.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

all African abtiris are false and fabricated stories.

The only thing that makes sense is DNA.

All the Somali Arab fathered BS are fake so are those of Afaris who claim similar stories. The same is true with Habeshi.

It's time to abandon the fake Arab jihadist fathers.

Isaaq, Darod and all the other "sheikh" aabo were no different than Sheikh Zubeir, Sheikh Rambo of al Shabab.

After they came to the land as jihadists. The Arabs convinced the locals that only those who claim ancestry to Arab clerics go to heaven. Slowly the people developed "Arab" identity based on faith not ancestry. Anyone who was identified as a Muslim was automatically Arab and his father was one of the Jihadists buried in the local area.

Many people of different ancestry who came under such jihadist as fighters and as loyalists automatically became same tribe over night.

Such bogus stories do not entertain me for I am too smart to believe their BS including empty tombs.

Imagine 1200 years from today people saying their father was Ahmed Godane.

It's like the British claiming to be descendents of Emperor Claudius just because the Romans conquered their lands centuries ago.

[James Dahl]

Even if they aren't true in the literal sense the legends and mythic ancestors are often allegorical truth, while the exact details of the real truth are lost in the mists of time.

That said it is difficult to say precisely where fact ends and legends begin, I try not to make judgments and approach this as any other historical document.

Some Welsh clans do actually claim descent from one of the Roman Emperors, Magnus Maximus is supposedly the ancestor of the southern Welsh kings, which is probably bullshit but it's an entertaining story.

[James Dahl]

which is the most laandheer Canfar clan? the Ogaden equivalent?

Cafar clan politics is different, it's oriented towards confederations like southern Somali clans and there are more regionally important small clans.

[thehappyone]

James, you have no children for habar gidir sacad. Do you want my dad's phone number?

[Xildiiid]

So a white dude from North America is spending time on categorising clans and clan confederations in the Horn of Africa, for free?

I don't think so..

CIA asset James Dahl aka Jaamac Diiriye.

[Raganimo]

What's the info on the Cumarayti in Djibouti? I've heard from multiple sources that they descend from Warsangeli.

[JSL3000]

So a white dude from North America is spending time on categorising clans and clan confederations in the Horn of Africa, for free?

I don't think so..

CIA asset James Dahl aka Jaamac Diiriye.

That is what I was thinking but his map of zoomalia in wiki is fake he gave khatumo seeg area they don't even control that's when I figured out he is just spectator and a peculiar informant.

[Xildiiid]

He has no knowledge whatsoever, he comes to SomaliNet in order to get feedback on his hypothesis just like Grant (who was a real CIA asset in Africa and part of John F. Kennedys 'Peace corps').

Grant xitaa naago Somali ah oo uu Jubboyinka ku wasay ayuu dadka goobtan soo gala ugu sheekeyn jirey dhowr sano ka hor. Waxaana u fataalay niman Walaweyn ah.

[Xildiiid]

I don't fear anyone.

[Raganimo]

Both of you are a disgrace. These women were Somali at the end of the day and that is how the world sees them. This qabiil BS only means something to Somali imbeciles. Plastering these photos all over the internet in order to score a few cheap points will only harm the entire group. Use your common sense.

[Xildiiid]

Grant was in middle Jubba and Lower Jubba in 1961-1963 and he narrated the events that took place in that part of the world.

Collecting all the facts should've been your first step but the amount of ignorance..

And btw, the term ''Jubbooyinka'' wasn't created yesterday with the rise of the Kenyan enclave.

[Raganimo]

Geeljire, fear Allah and stop spreading these images. Those women are Somali. What the hell is wrong with you sick people?? Is it really worth it to post this filth in order to score a cheap point against some random guy online??

Do you people even realise that to the rest of the world, we're all just Somali?? When some ajnabi throws these images in your face to prove that your women are cheap, you won't be able to say "well, see, those are Isaaq women, I am not Isaaq". Nobody cares about that nonsense.

Fear Allah and don't post this filth. And you do this in Ramadan??