ramzy2277 wrote:where does say in futuh al habasha book that Harti took part in the jihad against nasara al xabasha..!!...i thought we discussed this in a thread u made before....in the book it was written XARTI or XARTA حرتى in arabic letter ح which corresponds to X in Somali is totally different than ها or H in Somali.
maybe ur mentor I.M.Lewis translate it from X to H as the letter X (in somali) is not there in English .
same thing with ur theory of Habar Magada or Magadi mentioned in the same book u claimed to be same as Habar makdor from sameeron......adding a complete leter which also is not a vowel too will completely change the whole name.
but in هبر مقدى matches comletely habar magadle or magado in Somalis ( ''e'' or the ''o'' at the end of MAGAD is for adjective noun not part of the name and it can change with the structure of the sentence.....just like ur name , ROOBLE....the noun is ROOB meaning Rain, Roob+LE means the rain man.
Forget letters. It's about what you can add more.
When it comes to the Harti argument they are the only Somali clan, AGAIN THE ONLY SOMALI CLAN with their location emphasized.
The Harti people of Mait.
My theory is they joined the war, because of Geri.
Harti and Geri who are both of Koombe.
Geri Koombe iyo Harti Koombe.
I think it was Warsangeli since they are scattered around the south too and have even been absorbed by Abgaal as Warsangeli Harti Abgaal.
This is why they are the only Somalis emphasized with their location, because the battleground was close to Abyssinia and they were all the way from Mait.
This is the map of Ludovico travels.
It's the map of the Portugueze Expedition to Abyssinia and the Adal Wars, Mait was and is no way near the battleground. This also proves why the Harti were emphasized with their location in the book.
Map of the Portugueze Expidition to Abyssinia
Aside from that. The Habar Makadi was the first to join the Imam after them the Geri. The Habar Makador border Geri and have always lived in peace with them for centuries. The first Chieftain of the Gadabursi clan or first Ugaas was Khadija, The Geri Queen. That was 1 century after the Adal wars.
The Geri always mentioned next to the Gadabursi.
First the Habar Makadur then the Geri who live a bit behind them. If the Habar Magaadle joined then the Geri would have been first to join the Imam.
These are most of the Somali clans mentioned and they are close and were close Abyssinia and in the proximity of the Adal wars.
Adding various Somali clans who are mentioned in the book to the map
The Habar Magaadle claim is weak. First the claim was based on Rene Basset matching the names to Somali clans. Rene Baset was guessing which clans to attach the names of the Somali clans to. He probably only knew Habar Magaadle. When she translated the work she translated it as Habar Makadi. She was a French translator of Arabic.
Rene Baset was not an expert on the History of Somalis or Ethiopia. Like the renown Richard Pankhurst. Richard Pankhurst is the founder and first director of the Institute of Ethiopian Studies of Addis Ababa (formerly known as Haile Sellasie 1) University.
Richard Pankhurst even knew of Rene's guess, but he went with Habar Makadur. i think simply, because of the name it matches Habar Makadi more and the locality of our clan.I don't think he was aware of the Gadabursi genealogy being present in page 82 of the book.
Page 27 of the Futuh Al Habasha
The genealogy being present in page 82, is the
golden key. No one can refute that my friend. No one it solidifies everything and it nullifies your claim.
Hussein Muse bin Abdallah Makida of the tribe of Ahmed Gerri of the Habar Makadi on page 82 of the
Futuh Al Habasha
This strongly fits into the Gadabursi genealogy as Husain Musa Bin 'Abd Allah "Makidor".
Are you telling me Makida should've been Magaadle. That's nonsense because Magaadle is the clan of Sanaag. Which the Habar is named after. It's not like Makador or Garhajis where Habar Makador or Habar Garhajis the banners are named after the male patriarch and his habar.
The thing is we Gadabursi always knew Ahmed Guray was Habar Makadur, but you can't even pinpoint which Habar Magaadle he was. Among us we always knew he was Mahad 'Ase.
Again Habar Makadur is not a random clan. It's roughly 90% of the Gadabursi or more today.
Scottish Journal 1890
And then there is the location where the Habar Makadi joined the Imam. Above the valley of Harar, which is known as the Harerghe Valley Hararre Valley or as natives of the Gadabursi referred to it Harawo Valley and the colonials when entering to the territory "the Hawrawwa Valley." It's the valley of Harar.
Page 43 of the Futuh Al Habasha: Conquest of Abyssinia
From the British Library a map from the 1920's
an example
Apart from that if the Makaqi or Maqadi should've been a G then the Geri or Gorgorah mentioned in the book should've been written as Qeri and Qorqorah. Its silly now to talk about the name when there is so much evidence leading to the Habr Makador.
Another thing I want to bring up is the chieftainship, a ugaasdom. Tell me a notable chieftainship among the Isaaq. The Marehan and Habr Makadi are both mentioned to have chieftains and they entered the war, but Isaaq is more familiar with Sultans etc.
The Gadabursi and Marehan have had chieftainships and it was always part of their culture. An Ugaas literally translates to a Chieftain.
That's another point.
And last but not least the southern Mandalug who are related to the Gadabursi. Among the southern Mandalug there is a subclan called reer Makador. Who are the Mandalug. They are the cousins of the Gadabursi who were scattered and formed an alliance with the Ogaden and were scattered , some even reached Kenya and some as far as Lower Shabelle.
From the Scottish Geographical Society 1885
From the Makador among the southern Mandalug there is a sub-clan called
Reer Axmed Guray and they abtirsi to Muse Makador. This again fits into the Gadabursi genealogy and proves the Habr Makador contribution to the Conquest of Abyssinia.
I don't need to say more if you can bring me anything more than Rene Basset attempt at matching the Habr Makadi to a clan. I will take your claim serious.
Raali iga noqo