Why do Somalis get themselves into trouble when protesting

[SuldaanMaplesyrup]

A month ago, a young Somali boy in California was given a a felony assault charge for beating up a Trump supporter

And now, a young Somali girl in Minnesota found herself in jail for the weekend for protesting with Black Lives Matter
https://twitter.com/krennylavitz/status ... 2396224512

I get it, some Somalis have strong beliefs about the injustice that's going in America and want to do something about it. But why do many Somalis often go to the other extreme and end up getting themselves into trouble, enough trouble that might ruin the rest of their lives?

[waryaa]

She broke the law and she'll be in detention at least until Monday. Looking @ her tweets she was prepared to be arrested. Will the black lives matter pay for her bail if needed? Will they clean her records if she id gound guilty? the guy in Cali's case is worse.

tnx Suldan.

[Lamagoodle]

A month ago, a young Somali boy in California was given a a felony assault charge for beating up a Trump supporter

And now, a young Somali girl in Minnesota found herself in jail for the weekend for protesting with Black Lives Matter
https://twitter.com/krennylavitz/status ... 2396224512

I get it, some Somalis have strong beliefs about the injustice that's going in America and want to do something about it. But why do many Somalis often go to the other extreme and end up getting themselves into trouble, enough trouble that might ruin the rest of their lives?

I think because you are a somali and read/watch/touched by stories on Somalis. I don't think Somalis get into more trouble than other ethnic groups. We somalis tend to read about other somalis.

About the Black Lives Matter; I think this is an important civil rights movement. I have been rereading American Dilema by the Swedish Nobel Prize winner's seminal work on the causes, state of the art and prospects of African American. He was commissioned by Carnegie Corporation to investigate the problems facing African Americans in the 1930/40.



A synthesis of the book:
The presence of a vicious cycle in which whites oppressed the African Americans then pointed to their poor performance as reason for the oppression. Gunnar Myrdal's remedy 1. cure whites of the prejudice b) improve the circumstances of AA, which would then disprove whites' preconceived notions i.e. the “principle of cumulation."

Sorry for deviating from the topic

[SuldaanMaplesyrup]

Waryaa: I doubt BLM supporters will help her get bail, but she'll get help from the Somali community.

The Somali guy in Cali better pray he gets a decent lawyer. Both seem to be extremely short sighted

Lamagoodle: I'm not saying others don't do it as well, but it seems for a small community we seem to be overrepresented

[Lamagoodle]

Waryaa: I doubt BLM supporters will help her get bail, but she'll get help from the Somali community.

The Somali guy in Cali better pray he gets a decent lawyer. Both seem to be extremely short sighted

Lamagoodle: I'm not saying others don't do it as well, but it seems for a small community we seem to be overrepresented

I think we are overrepresented in other indicators (social welfare, unemployment, education levels, carriers of different kinds of diseases, corruption etc) but not crimes. In Europe, for instance, Somalis compared to other ethnic groups that arrived in 1990s and later are not overrepresented in the crime statistics. However, we read about Somali stories because we are somalis and think that we are overrepresented.

P.s. There was a debate in Canada about murders of Somali youths; any follow up? How do somalis fare compared to other ethnic groups? It would be interesting to know how the Kurds, the Arabs, The Jamacians (came earlier) fare?. As a someone with a critical mind, I can hardly swallow reports about somalis overrepresented in the murder statistics in Canada as awhole

[Adali]

The only thing I want to get myself into is vagina

[SuldaanMaplesyrup]

P.s. There was a debate in Canada about murders of Somali youths; any follow up? How do somalis fare compared to other ethnic groups? It would be interesting to know how the Kurds, the Arabs, The Jamacians (came earlier) fare?. As a someone with a critical mind, I can hardly swallow reports about somalis overrepresented in the murder statistics in Canada as awhole

As of late it seems the Somali youth murder has died down here in Canada, possibly due to the huge amount campaigning done by the Somali community in the past year to raise awareness and to take a stand against gang violence. But even during its peak, we made up a small fraction of the number of homicides in the entire country. But because we're both black (at least in the eyes of wider society) and Muslim, murders in our community stood out more often than others. In my city, it seems the Arabs (who aren't that much more than Somalis) are more represented in crime than us.

But I agree with you, that we have a cognitive bias to assume Somalis are more represented in negative things because we hear about Somalis issues more often

[waryaa]

lama, no matter how important the issue is, at the end of the day u'll have your life ruined forever if u commit a crime. Here in Anerica, u'll be asked whether u've ever been arrested, not convicted but arrested when applying for a job. It becomes damn if u tell the truth and damn if u don't. Businees community is 100% on the police side of the fence. Is it worth to f up your life like that? I dnt think so.

blm need to raise $ and get the best constitutional and civil liberty lawyers, not react with violence. Last nite they shutdown the main highway through Minneapolis, disrupting one of the largest commercial commercial routes in America.

[Lamagoodle]

lama, no matter how important the issue is, at the end of the day u'll have your life ruined forever if u double cross the law. Here in Anerica, u'll be asked whether u've ever been arrested, not convicted but arrested when applying for a job. It becomes damn if u tell the truth and damn if u don't. Businees community is 100% on the police side of the fence. Is it worth to f up your life like that? I dnt think so.

blm need to raise $ and get the best constitutional and civil liberty lawyers, not react with violence. Last nite they shutdown the main highway through Minneapolis, disrupting one of the largest commercial commercial routes in America.

I understand. But there is institutional discrimination; and also history teaches us that it was the same during the civil rights movements of the 1960s; people said the same i.e. Disruptions will cause more problems and they should use legal means. MLK , Malcolm X etc were jailed.

The African American man (Somalis included) is likely 27 times to be shot compared with white men. It is very dangerous to be a black man.
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The root cause of this the historical circumstances ; read Myrdal. I reread it this week. It explains a lot of today's problem.

Add GUNS and you have a trigger happy nation ; when everyone can carry a gun, policy suspect that you are carrying a gun.

P.s. I was very lucky. A number of years ago, I was stopped by police on a Ohio highway. I was driving a car with canadian number plate. I got out of it, lit a cig and these police pointed their guns at me; I was a naive somali European. I think they realised that I was a foreigner. They warned me about leaving the car when stopped.

[waryaa]

lama, lucky u - maybe the license plate saved your ass

I agree with u on system flaws. A couple of good lawyers can do 10,000 times better job in two years than decades of violent protests.