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Erdogan taunts Obama over coup attempt (Implications with Russia, Syria, and Iran)

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Erdogan taunts Obama over coup attempt in Turkey
BY M.K. BHADRAKUMAR on JULY 17, 2016 in AT TOP WRITERS, M.K. BHADRAKUMAR

The Turkish President Recep Erdogan’s sensational demand on Saturday to US President Barack Obama to extradite the Islamist preacher Fetullah Gulen living in exile in Pennsylvania does not come as surprise. It had to happen sooner or later.

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Turkish President Recep Erdogan told his supporters on Saturday that although he had shared with Barack Obama the intelligence on a likely coup attempt by Gulen’s followers, the US President sat on it.

But then, Erdogan has chosen to speak publicly on such a highly sensitive issue instead of using the confidential channels of communication.

Any long-time observer of Erdogan and his political personality can make out that he is taunting Obama within the week of the NATO summit in Warsaw. These are excerpts from Erdogan’s public remarks in Istanbul on Saturday:
  • Please meet our request (on Gulen’s extradition) if we (Turkey and US) are strategic partners. I asked you (Obama) previously either to deport him or surrender him to Turkey. I told you that he is considering the coup d’etat, but you didn’t listen.
The crowd listening to Erdogan began chanting, “Death to Fetullah.”

To be sure, Erdogan knows how to work up the crowd. And he knows that if the mood turns ugly in Turkish-American relations, his strength lies in his massive support base.

This is becoming very personal, too. Erdogan mentioned Obama by name. It is an open secret that the chemistry between the two statesmen has been poor.

Erdogan will not forgive the Obama administration for leading him up the garden path on Syria, convincing him that Washington was leaving no stone unturned to overthrow the Assad regime. The then CIA Director David Petraeus visited Turkey more than once to urge Erdogan to kickstart the intervention in Syria.

Obama himself lauded Turkey as a role model for the Muslim Middle East, pandering to Erdogan’s notions of his own tryst with destiny in the erstwhile territories of the Ottoman Empire.

Thus, Erdogan’s stunning disclosure on Saturday that he had shared with Obama the intelligence on a likely coup attempt by Gulen’s followers and that the US president sat on it can only mean that the Turkish leader suspects Washington’s intentions toward him.

Erdogan would know there isn’t a ghost of a chance that the US will extradite Gulen. No country’s intelligence would simply surrender such a “strategic asset.” Gulen’s version of political Islam had seamless uses for the US regional strategies in many parts of the world, especially in the former Soviet republics of Central Asia, which constitute Russia’s “soft underbelly.”

Suffice it to say, Erdogan is preparing for a period of deep chill in Turkish-American relations. These are early days, but the move to cut off power supply to the Incirlik base where the US-led coalition fighting the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq is based, may convey some hidden meaning.

Most certainly, the US forces have installed top-notch electronic systems in Incirlik to eavesdrop on communication. The Turkish intelligence would be wondering whether the US privy to the coup. This is one thing.

The timing of the coup is extremely significant. It comes after the setback to the US plans to push for a permanent NATO presence in the Black Sea, challenging Russia’s historical pre-eminence in those waters, aimed at encircling the Russian naval fleet in Sevastopol and threatening Crimea.

The Montreaux Convention (1936) forbids permanent naval presence in the region by non-Black Sea countries and gives Turkey control over the Bosporus Straits and the Dardanelles Straits. Plainly put, without Turkey’s cooperation, the US stratagem to encircle Russia in the Black Sea (and Mediterranean) becomes a non-starter.

Erdogan’s decision to render an apology for the shooting down of a Russian jet last November also took everyone by surprise, including Washington. The acceleration of the Turkish-Russian normalization would have unnerved Washington.

It heralded that in one sweep, the co-relation of forces in the West’s standoff with Russia might change once the Turkish-Russian rapprochement gathered pace. Erdogan and Putin are likely to meet in a near future, too.

It cannot at all be ruled out that the Russian intelligence tipped off the Turkish counterparts on the likelihood of a coup. Russian intelligence has traditionally kept a strong presence in Turkey.

Against the backdrop of the intervention in Syria, Russia also must be maintaining highly sophisticated electronic communication gear airbase in the Hmeimim airbase.

What must be noted is that the Russian reportage of the coup in Turkey was unabashedly ‘pro-Erdogan’. In a manner of speaking, Russia has become a stakeholder in Erdogan’s continuance in power – although Turkey is a NATO power.

Most certainly, the coup itself appears to have been hastily assembled, and was predicated on hopes, perhaps, that it would draw large-scale support from within the army. It probably hoped to capitalize on the officers with ‘pro-Islamist’ leanings who were inducted into the officer corps of the army by Erdogan following the great purge of ‘Kemalists’ during the recent years.

Arguably, Erdogan was aware that the newly-inducted military cadres also included Gulen’s followers, and a further purge would become necessary at some point. Curiously, Erdogan was due to take the crucial annual meeting of the Military Council in Ankara next month to decide on the promotion and transfers of top ranking officers.

Here we run into a paradox.

The fact of the matter is that the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) also has elements, including at the leadership level, who empathize with Gulen and his version of political Islam.

Simply put, if the coup had succeeded, it would have essentially led to a ‘Gulenist’ takeover of the AKP itself.

The bottom line is that even if the coup had succeeded, it wouldn’t have made the least difference to Turkey’s historic lurch toward political Islam.

Again, what needs to be factored in is that Gulen has enjoyed cordial equations with Saudi Arabia. “Green money” has played a big part in the AKP’s ascendancy. The so-called “Anatolian tigers” – business elites from Anatolian region – who financed the AKP have been major beneficiaries of “green money.”

Of course, Saudis have kept their dealings with Gulen under the wraps, and it remains to be seen what impact the failed coup attempt would have on Erdogan’s uneasy equations with the Saudi regime.

The Saudis have been watching with unease the nascent signs of shift in Erdogan’s interventionist policies in Syria. (By the way, Iran’s Fars news agency, which is close to the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps, reported Saturday that Turkish intelligence officers deployed in Aleppo in Syria have begun evacuating on instructions from Ankara, signalling disengagement from the rebel groups fighting the government forces in that region.)

Thus, it is not without significance that the Iranian statements on the coup attempt in Turkey have been strongly supportive of Erdogan. Without doubt, one can hear a sigh of relief in the corridors of power in Tehran.

Ali Shamkhani, secretary of Iran’s National Security Council, made a hugely meaningful remark on Saturday that both Tehran’s vehement condemnation of the coup attempt in Turkey and the role that Iran itself plays in Syria fundamentally stem from the same considerations.

Ambassador MK Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for Asia Times since 2001.

(Copyright 2016 Asia Times Holdings Limited, a duly registered Hong Kong company. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing.)

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Very interesting! It seems like many were wrong about Mr Erdogan and that he is truly trying to keep peace in this fragile world situation. If anything this attempted coup actually revealed the true relationship Turkey has with Russia and Iran.

The breakdown in relations between Turkey, the USA and Nato could also spell more aggressive manoeuvring by the jackals and wolves, leading to more destabilisation in the region. We should never forget how Israel is the main hub of chaos for most of this in and around the middle east, and I personally think that mossad is heavily involved.
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Shunned by Washington, he Apologised to the Russians for downing their plane and an attempted coup. What else has 2016 in store for Erdogan?
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Gaashaanle1000 wrote:Very interesting! It seems like many were wrong about Mr Erdogan and that he is truly trying to keep peace in this fragile world situation. If anything this attempted coup actually revealed the true relationship Turkey has with Russia and Iran.

The breakdown in relations between Turkey, the USA and Nato could also spell more aggressive manoeuvring by the jackals and wolves, leading to more destabilisation in the region. We should never forget how Israel is the main hub of chaos for most of this in and around the middle east, and I personally think that mossad is heavily involved.
Turkey and Israel have also re-established relations. Why? Turkey needs Israeli gas to consolidate Turkey’s role as a key East-West energy crossroads.

Erdogan's real “enemy” now is Syrian Kurds – not Russia and Israel (and not ISIS; but they never were in the first place).

Erdogan is going after the YPG, which for him is a mere extension of the PKK. His order of the day is to prevent by all means an autonomous state entity in northeast Syria – a "Kurdistan" set up like a second Israel supported by the US. For that he needs some sort of entente cordiale with Damascus – as in insisting that Syria must preserve its territorial integrity. And that also means, of course, renewed dialogue with Russia.
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Gaashaanle1000 wrote:Very interesting! It seems like many were wrong about Mr Erdogan and that he is truly trying to keep peace in this fragile world situation. If anything this attempted coup actually revealed the true relationship Turkey has with Russia and Iran.

The breakdown in relations between Turkey, the USA and Nato could also spell more aggressive manoeuvring by the jackals and wolves, leading to more destabilisation in the region. We should never forget how Israel is the main hub of chaos for most of this in and around the middle east, and I personally think that mossad is heavily involved.
Turkey and Israel have also re-established relations. Why? Turkey needs Israeli gas to consolidate Turkey’s role as a key East-West energy crossroads.

Erdogan's real “enemy” now is Syrian Kurds – not Russia and Israel (and not ISIS; but they never were in the first place).

Erdogan is going after the YPG, which for him is a mere extension of the PKK. His order of the day is to prevent by all means an autonomous state entity in northeast Syria – a "Kurdistan" set up like a second Israel supported by the US. For that he needs some sort of entente cordiale with Damascus – as in insisting that Syria must preserve its territorial integrity. And that also means, of course, renewed dialogue with Russia.
In NATO the muslim hating French and other central europeans are talking about booting Turkey out of the alliance,

What Erdogan needs to do now is secure the nuclear arms based in Incirlik I think.

Fuck the hypocrit europeans and doubledealing US, time to go rogue like Russia and guarantee its own safety

westerners only understand brute force and they fear nuclear capacity like a ghost in daylight.

Thats the one last thing I'm cheering for Turkey to get wallahi, to go nuclear, once the country has the capacity it can more confidently exerts its policies in the region.
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FAH1223 wrote:
Gaashaanle1000 wrote:Very interesting! It seems like many were wrong about Mr Erdogan and that he is truly trying to keep peace in this fragile world situation. If anything this attempted coup actually revealed the true relationship Turkey has with Russia and Iran.

The breakdown in relations between Turkey, the USA and Nato could also spell more aggressive manoeuvring by the jackals and wolves, leading to more destabilisation in the region. We should never forget how Israel is the main hub of chaos for most of this in and around the middle east, and I personally think that mossad is heavily involved.
Turkey and Israel have also re-established relations. Why? Turkey needs Israeli gas to consolidate Turkey’s role as a key East-West energy crossroads.

Erdogan's real “enemy” now is Syrian Kurds – not Russia and Israel (and not ISIS; but they never were in the first place).

Erdogan is going after the YPG, which for him is a mere extension of the PKK. His order of the day is to prevent by all means an autonomous state entity in northeast Syria – a "Kurdistan" set up like a second Israel supported by the US. For that he needs some sort of entente cordiale with Damascus – as in insisting that Syria must preserve its territorial integrity. And that also means, of course, renewed dialogue with Russia.
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jalaaludin5 wrote:Shunned by Washington, he Apologised to the Russians for downing their plane and an attempted coup. What else has 2016 in store for Erdogan?
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i guess this sums up the story of the coup attempt.
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Erdogan is a legend. The one Muslim leader with a backbone. May Allah bless him.

He has begun to repair Turkey's relationship with Russia after realising that Nato only sought to manipulate Turkey for their own agenda. The coup attempt was a desperate bid by the Western-backed faction of the military to reassert control and make sure Turkey tows the line, alas, Turkey is not Egypt. The Turks are not gullible as the easily-excited Arab masses, NATO clearly underestimated Erdogan.

Turkish-American relations will take a turn for the worse. If they were strained before, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Turkey will never trust the US again. The Turks will reiterate their relationship with the Russians and will also work towards self-sufficiency in all sectors (economy, foreign policy and military) so that they do not have to rely on NATO anymore.

The West can kiss goodbye to Turkish cooperation in a number of regional issues such as the encirclement of the Russian navy based in the Black Sea.

All in all, it can be said that this failed military coup will have a detrimental effect on America's ability to meddle in the wider Eastern Europe/ Central Asia/ Middle-Eastern region since Turkey, which is smack bang in the middle of all these regions, will never again agree to participate in American-led interventions eg Syria, which turned out to be a disaster of epic proportions (the Kurds are taking full advantage of the situation, can't say I blame them).

We live in interesting times my fellow faaraxs :lol:
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That dictator should be killed. He's killing innocent Syrian Kurds. He will be overthrown in the next 7 months. Take that to the bank.
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BeyondQabil wrote:That dictator should be killed. He's killing innocent Syrian Kurds. He will be overthrown in the next 7 months. Take that to the bank.
Woah, easy there mate. Erdogan is a democratically elected leader, chosen and supported by the majority of Turks. How would you like it if I said the same about ermmm...... Mr.Hurhuru (was that his name??) of Kenya.
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I think many are overlooking what the west can do here. They still have a huge influence in Turkey and can create more problems for Erdogan. I doubt Erdogan will have a strange relationship with the US in the long term, since Turkish economy has a huge dependency on European markets, and American financial institutions have huge influence there. It is not easy to confront the ruling state (US), fellas.

Besides, how can one be a good friend with Israel but, at the same time, is trying to challenge the west's hegemonic designs in the region? It is wishful thinking, in my view. I wouldn't trust Asia Times on anything. They run around with too many conspiracy theories. Israel is an extension of the west in the Middle East, and the same forces who sustain it are the ones who are running the west. Now, Erdogan wants to be an ally of Netanyahu but wants to challenge the US? :?

On another note, NATO nukes in Incirlik Airbase, in southeast Turkey, are discussed here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -in-turkey. American military commanders have already disabled them, so unless Americans want to activate them, they have no use to the Turks. With that in mind, Turks have started working on their own nukes, and perhaps this self-reliance outside of NATO is what is driving west's anger towards Turkey and hence the coup d'etat. The Turkish nukes outside of NATO is covered in this article: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... pons-13898.

Whatever the reasons behind that coup d'etat, it seems the jackals have set their eyes on Turkey, and only Allah knows how it is going to turn out. What is obvious here, after Iraq and Syria, Turkey is at the crossroads.
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gegiroor wrote:I think many are overlooking what the west can do here. They still have a huge influence in Turkey and can create more problems for Erdogan. I doubt Erdogan will have a strange relationship with the US in the long term, since Turkish economy has a huge dependency on European markets, and American financial institutions have huge influence there. It is not easy to confront the ruling state (US), fellas.

Besides, how can one be a good friend with Israel but, at the same time, is trying to challenge the west's hegemonic designs in the region? It is wishful thinking, in my view. I wouldn't trust Asia Times on anything. They run around with too many conspiracy theories. Israel is an extension of the west in the Middle East, and the same forces who sustain it are the ones who are running the west. Now, Erdogan wants to be an ally of Netanyahu but wants to challenge the US? :?

On another note, NATO nukes in Incirlik Airbase, in southeast Turkey, are discussed here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -in-turkey. American military commanders have already disabled them, so unless Americans want to activate them, they have no use to the Turks. With that in mind, Turks have started working on their own nukes, and perhaps this self-reliance outside of NATO is what is driving west's anger towards Turkey and hence the coup d'etat. The Turkish nukes outside of NATO is covered in this article: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... pons-13898.

Whatever the reasons behind that coup d'etat, it seems the jackals have set their eyes on Turkey, and only Allah knows how it is going to turn out. What is obvious here, after Iraq and Syria, Turkey is at the crossroads.

I hope Insha Allah Turkey gains nuclear capability, the jackals will cry in their sleep.

Hope Malaysia and Indonesia also cooperates against the jackal state Singapore and Australia
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US and European leaders have warned Turkey’s president to use restraint in his increasingly wide-reaching crackdown against plotters of Friday’s coup amid widespread alarm at the speed of arrests of senior military and members of the judiciary.

John Kerry, the US secretary of state, said that while Washington stood “squarely on the side of the elected leadership in Turkey”, he cautioned Ankara against using the post-coup round-up to suppress dissent.

“We urge the government of Turkey to uphold the highest standard of respect … for the rule of law,” Mr Kerry said after meeting his EU counterparts in Brussels on Monday. “We support bringing the perpetrators of the coup to justice, but we caution a reach that goes beyond that.”

Some EU leaders went even further. The European Commission official responsible for Turkey policy accused the Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdogan of having a prepared list of targets for arrest even before the coup was launched.

“It looks at least as if something has been prepared,” said Johannes Hahn, the EU commissioner in charge of Turkey ‘s EU membership bid. “The lists are available, which indicates it was prepared and to be used at a certain stage. I’m very concerned. It is exactly what we feared.”

The expressions of concern in Washington and Brussels came as the number of officials and soldiers arrested by Mr Erdogan’s allies continued to rise. Binali Yildirim, the president’s handpicked prime minister, announced on Monday that there were now 7,543 people being detained, including 6,138 from the military, 755 prosecutors and 650 civilians.

“We cannot accept a military dictatorship but we also have to be careful that the Turkish authorities do not put in place a political system which turns away from democracy,” said Jean-Marc Ayrault, French foreign minister. “The rule of law must prevail … We need authority but we also need democracy.”

Senior Turkish officials responded angrily to accusations that they were overreacting to the plot. One official said critics were “ignoring the fact that the parliament was hit 11 times by hijacked F-16s”.

Referring to Mr Erdogan’s statement that the coup “was a gift from god”, the official added: “There is no point in taking the president’s words out of context to ignore the fact that the parliament and other government building have come under attack for the first time since 1923.”



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Turkish officials said Mr Erdogan narrowly escaped the plotters, a clear sign he in no way sought the coup as a way to cleanse the Turkish state of his political enemies. Officials said rebel pilots had targeted Mr Erdogan’s plane as the president returned to Istanbul, yet did not open fire. A senior Turkish official claimed rebel forces targeting Mr Erdogan for assassination missed him “by minutes”.

However, opponents say the failed coup has provided an opportunity for Mr Erdogan to launch widespread purges unrelated to the plotters. They point to the speed with which the 2,745 judges were removed from their jobs on Saturday and the large numbers of detained and arrested.

More than 290 people were killed and 1,400 wounded in the abortive uprising on Friday night and Saturday. Mr Yildirim said 145 civilians had been killed, as well as 60 police and three soldiers putting down the plot.

Mr Erdogan has blamed Fethullah Gulen, an exiled Muslim cleric now living in rural Pennsylvania, for inspiring the attempted overthrow of Turkey’s government. Tensions with Washington have mounted as the Obama administration has resisted calls by Mr Erdogan’s allies to extradite Mr Gulen without a formal extradition request.

“The US is a friend and an ally. The coup attempt is the best evidence in itself [for Gulen’s extradition],” said Mr Yildirim. “We’d be disappointed if friends still ask for proof. We’d reconsider our friendship.”


Turkish officials said suspects had been rounded up based on prior, ongoing investigations, which reveal connections to the core group of coup plotters, and on lists of new appointees that the putschists had distributed in the early hours of the plot being launched — including new military appointees, governors of provinces, and even a new central bank governor.

Turkish officials acknowledge that the authorities have been looking into the activities of the Gulen movement for some time. “We did so publicly and openly due to the seriousness of the allegations. The cell within the military was part of this investigation,” a Turkish official said.

He said Gulen loyalists had been penetrating the civilian and military bureaucracy for years. “I understand that the numbers seem excessive but right now, this is about preventing the next wave of attacks against civilians and government buildings,” the official added.

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Some analysts say the military “had every reason to hold a grudge” against Mr Erdogan, despite improvements in relations in recent months when the president has given the army free rein to fight the Kurdish insurgency in south-east Turkey.

Writing in Foreign Affairs magazine in May in an article entitled “Turkey’s next military coup”, Gonul Tol, founding director of the Middle East Institute’s Center for Turkish Studies, said: “Erdogan has given the military a blank check to wage war against Kurdish insurgents and has struck a cosy alliance with the generals.”

She warned: “Empowering the military could be risky. There are even those within his close circle, including some of his advisers, who fear that the president is riding a tiger that, after years of harsh treatment under the ruling AKP, is all the wilder and more vengeful. The military has reason to hold a grudge.”

Nonetheless, the harshness of Mr Erdogan’s response to the coup is causing alarm in European capitals. Federica Mogherini, the EU’s foreign policy chief, warned the Turkish government on Monday against taking steps that would damage the constitutional order.

“We were the first … during that tragic night to say that the legitimate institutions needed to be protected,” she said as she arrived for the meeting with Mr Kerry.

“We are the ones saying today that the rule of law has to be protected in the country,” she added. “There is no excuse for any steps that takes the country away from that.”

Didier Reynders, Belgian foreign minister, said he was also concerned about Mr Erdogan’s suggestion of reintroducing the death penalty for plotters. That, Mr Reynders said, “would pose a problem with Turkey’s ties with the European Union”.

Abolishing capital punishment, as Turkey did in 2004 before it could open the formal process of accession negotiations with the EU, is a prerequisite for holding talks on membership
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hangool79 wrote:
gegiroor wrote:I think many are overlooking what the west can do here. They still have a huge influence in Turkey and can create more problems for Erdogan. I doubt Erdogan will have a strange relationship with the US in the long term, since Turkish economy has a huge dependency on European markets, and American financial institutions have huge influence there. It is not easy to confront the ruling state (US), fellas.

Besides, how can one be a good friend with Israel but, at the same time, is trying to challenge the west's hegemonic designs in the region? It is wishful thinking, in my view. I wouldn't trust Asia Times on anything. They run around with too many conspiracy theories. Israel is an extension of the west in the Middle East, and the same forces who sustain it are the ones who are running the west. Now, Erdogan wants to be an ally of Netanyahu but wants to challenge the US? :?

On another note, NATO nukes in Incirlik Airbase, in southeast Turkey, are discussed here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -in-turkey. American military commanders have already disabled them, so unless Americans want to activate them, they have no use to the Turks. With that in mind, Turks have started working on their own nukes, and perhaps this self-reliance outside of NATO is what is driving west's anger towards Turkey and hence the coup d'etat. The Turkish nukes outside of NATO is covered in this article: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... pons-13898.

Whatever the reasons behind that coup d'etat, it seems the jackals have set their eyes on Turkey, and only Allah knows how it is going to turn out. What is obvious here, after Iraq and Syria, Turkey is at the crossroads.

I hope Insha Allah Turkey gains nuclear capability, the jackals will cry in their sleep.

Hope Malaysia and Indonesia also cooperates against the jackal state Singapore and Australia
Malaysia regrets kicking Singapore out of the alliance :notsure:
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LegendarySS4 wrote:
hangool79 wrote:
gegiroor wrote:I think many are overlooking what the west can do here. They still have a huge influence in Turkey and can create more problems for Erdogan. I doubt Erdogan will have a strange relationship with the US in the long term, since Turkish economy has a huge dependency on European markets, and American financial institutions have huge influence there. It is not easy to confront the ruling state (US), fellas.

Besides, how can one be a good friend with Israel but, at the same time, is trying to challenge the west's hegemonic designs in the region? It is wishful thinking, in my view. I wouldn't trust Asia Times on anything. They run around with too many conspiracy theories. Israel is an extension of the west in the Middle East, and the same forces who sustain it are the ones who are running the west. Now, Erdogan wants to be an ally of Netanyahu but wants to challenge the US? :?

On another note, NATO nukes in Incirlik Airbase, in southeast Turkey, are discussed here: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk ... -in-turkey. American military commanders have already disabled them, so unless Americans want to activate them, they have no use to the Turks. With that in mind, Turks have started working on their own nukes, and perhaps this self-reliance outside of NATO is what is driving west's anger towards Turkey and hence the coup d'etat. The Turkish nukes outside of NATO is covered in this article: http://nationalinterest.org/feature/tur ... pons-13898.

Whatever the reasons behind that coup d'etat, it seems the jackals have set their eyes on Turkey, and only Allah knows how it is going to turn out. What is obvious here, after Iraq and Syria, Turkey is at the crossroads.

I hope Insha Allah Turkey gains nuclear capability, the jackals will cry in their sleep.

Hope Malaysia and Indonesia also cooperates against the jackal state Singapore and Australia
Malaysia regrets kicking Singapore out of the alliance :notsure:

I agree it was a dumb move, they should have kept them as a tibetan hostage client, what happened shortly after was that Singapore got propped by israelis and western world to keep its two large muslim neighbours at bay, common knowledge
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