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Black Lives Matter protests death of Abdirahman Abdi across Canada.

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Black Lives Matter staged seven rallies across Canada on Wednesday to protest the recent police-involved death of a Somali-Canadian man in Ottawa, its first nationwide action that signals rising momentum in what some activists consider a new civil-rights movement.

The rallies were far-reaching, spanning the country from Vancouver to an all-day demonstration in Mississauga at the entrance of the Special Investigations Unit (SIU) headquarters.

“This is an exciting time for us,” said Rodney Diverlus, co-founder of BLM Toronto, at the Mississauga rally as passing cars honked in support.



The movement now has official chapters in Toronto and Vancouver, with two more set to launch in Edmonton and Montreal.

“Black folks know that anti-blackness and police violence doesn’t happen in a vacuum,” Mr. Diverlus said. “We look at a situation that happened in Ottawa, and no matter where you live in this country, you think, ‘This could happen to me, too.’”

In Toronto, BLM’s long-standing target has been the SIU, the Ontario police watchdog that investigates fatal encounters with police in the province. The arms-length agency is currently reviewing the death of 37-year-old Abdirahman Abdi, which could take months to complete.

On July 24, Ottawa police responded to reports of Mr. Abdi groping a woman in a coffee shop. Witnesses said that police violently beat Mr. Abdi, who had unspecified mental-health issues.

BLM Toronto is demanding that charges be laid against the two Ottawa police officers involved in the altercation. It is also calling on the SIU to release a full report into Mr. Abdi’s death. Such reports are normally kept secret.

“The SIU actually works to protect officers and to ensure they’re absolved of their responsibilities,” Mr. Diverlus said. “We want to come to their doors to point a magnifying glass on the SIU and draw folks to take action.”

“In an ideal world, the SIU would be disbanded,” he added.

“All Canadians enjoy the right to protest and express their opinions in a peaceful manner. The Special Investigations Unit respects this right,” the agency said in a statement Wednesday.

The SIU also shouldered the responsibility for legislative change to the Ontario government. The government has appointed an Ontario Court of Appeal judge to lead an independent review of the SIU and two other agencies that oversee police conduct in Ontario.

Mounting pressure from BLM Toronto and other activists prompted Ontario’s then attorney-general Madeleine Meilleur to release in April 10 pages of the SIU’s report into the fatal shooting of 45-year-old Andrew Loku by Toronto police.

Other rallies for Mr. Abdi were held on Wednesday in Vancouver, Edmonton, Winnipeg, Ottawa, Kitchener-Waterloo and Hamilton.

The coast-to-coast play echoes the movement’s surge in the United States, where a recent spate of police-involved shootings of black men has ignited racial tensions and sparked calls for police reform.

“There’s a critical mass, much more than there may have been 20 years in places away from Toronto,” said Alok Mukherjee, a professor at Ryerson University and former chair of the Toronto Police Services Board.

“It is certainly growing into a national movement. Clearly, their success in Toronto and then in Ottawa has had resonance.”

The Mississauga rally on Wednesday was strikingly amiable. Hip-hop music blasted as supporters streamed in for a two-hour demonstration planned for the evening. Nearby, a dozen protesters held a large blue flag that read “Justice for Abdirahman Abdi.” Participants wrote messages with colourful chalk on the SIU parking lot, including “Stop killing us” and “We Ain’t Sorry #AllBlackLives.”

Belen Samuel, 23, joined the rally after flying from Edmonton to Toronto that morning. “I was interested to see how radical the chapter is here,” she said.

“Going back [to Edmonton], I want to see how things can be adopted so that we’re more progressive and pushing for change rather than just having common conversations.”

Wednesday’s rallies come a week after members of BLM Toronto briefly shut down the busy Yonge and Dundas intersection in downtown Toronto to issue nine demands regarding Mr. Abdi’s death.

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Dadkii necbanaa BLM Ma qabikooda baay u jihaad tageen? Bal Ka soo jiidaa the clan rooms.
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That's good work.

BUT.

Would also love to see them highlight black on black crimes. When you compare police killing blacks to black on Black crimes, it's a drop in the ocean. And black music that demean black lives and especially women with their culture of glamorising gangster life and debauchery.

Hard to take a booty clapping, twerking activist....Serious. lol
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jalaaludin5 wrote:That's good work.

BUT.

Would also love to see them highlight black on black crimes. When you compare police killing blacks to black on Black crimes, it's a drop in the ocean. And black music that demean black lives and especially women with their culture of glamorising gangster life and debauchery.

Hard to take a booty clapping, twerking activist....Serious. lol
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Ina Adeer, yes black on black violence is very high but this organisation has solely been established to make agents of the State accountable to their actions. White on white violence, Somali on Somali violence in Canada exist and are very high and a massive thought processing shift with a huge dose of miracles are required from these communities to change it and not BLM. Let's tackle institutional racism together with all these other communities who have a stake in it's eradication. Viva mujaahidiinta BLM. :up:
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Machiavelli2 wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:That's good work.

BUT.

Would also love to see them highlight black on black crimes. When you compare police killing blacks to black on Black crimes, it's a drop in the ocean. And black music that demean black lives and especially women with their culture of glamorising gangster life and debauchery.

Hard to take a booty clapping, twerking activist....Serious. lol
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Ina Adeer, yes black on black violence is very high but this organisation has solely been established to make agents of the State accountable to their actions. White on white violence, Somali on Somali violence in Canada exist and are very high and a massive thought processing shift with a huge dose of miracles are required from these communities to change it and not BLM. Let's tackle institutional racism together with all these other communities who have a stake in it's eradication. Viva mujaahidiinta BLM. :up:
Sxb if BLM was establish to solely make the state accountable while you ignore the daily crimes and deaths in your own neighbourhood, caused by the very same people you are shielding (indirectly) then the battle is already lost. How Do you go about confronting the state without addressing the daily shootings in your neighbourhood? I fail to see the wisdom behind establishing such organisation if their objective is to just target the establishment.

Soomaalia's problems are many. Internal (clans/qabyaalad) and external forces who contribute to its Miserable state. Now can we just concentrate on those outside problems without looking into ourselves? Or a better question is... can one Perform prayer Without ablution?

BLM SHEEKADOODU.....Waa salaad bila weyso ah.
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jalaaludin5 wrote:
Machiavelli2 wrote:
jalaaludin5 wrote:That's good work.

BUT.

Would also love to see them highlight black on black crimes. When you compare police killing blacks to black on Black crimes, it's a drop in the ocean. And black music that demean black lives and especially women with their culture of glamorising gangster life and debauchery.

Hard to take a booty clapping, twerking activist....Serious. lol
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Ina Adeer, yes black on black violence is very high but this organisation has solely been established to make agents of the State accountable to their actions. White on white violence, Somali on Somali violence in Canada exist and are very high and a massive thought processing shift with a huge dose of miracles are required from these communities to change it and not BLM. Let's tackle institutional racism together with all these other communities who have a stake in it's eradication. Viva mujaahidiinta BLM. :up:
Sxb if BLM was establish to solely make the state accountable while you ignore the daily crimes and deaths in your own neighbourhood, caused by the very same people you are shielding (indirectly) then the battle is already lost. How Do you go about confronting the state without addressing the daily shootings in your neighbourhood? I fail to see the wisdom behind establishing such organisation if their objective is to just target the establishment.

Soomaalia's problems are many. Internal (clans/qabyaalad) and external forces who contribute to its Miserable state. Now can we just concentrate on those outside problems without looking into ourselves? Or a better question is... can one Perform prayer Without ablution?

BLM SHEEKADOODU.....Waa salaad bila weyso ah.
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Ina Adeer,

There are two issues at play here. One is abuse of Power by people of authority who were supposed to serve the communities they abuse. It is institutional violence and systemic racism towards minorities of colour who are on the margins. The other one is violence within communities. Yes, you are right that a campaign to eradicate intra violence is urgently required because a black person is at risk of being killed by another black man than a cop. If Black Lives Matter to BLM, they should become a movement that addresses such tragedies, therefore, it has to add a new chapter where it propagates that black lives matter even when black people take them too.This has been addressed in the past and the present by other organisations with little success and I hope BLM will address in the future. It is a very complex issue with layers and layers of difficulties. This is a consequence of the structural racism that has played out over history and continues to play out today. But what is urgent and needs to be stopped is State executions of black people. People like Abdirahman Abdi, Dalian Atkins (Former professional footballer) and many others shouldn't have died at the hands of the cops. This is a less complex issue that requires an attitudal and policy changes.
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jalaaludin5 wrote:That's good work.

BUT.

Would also love to see them highlight black on black crimes. When you compare police killing blacks to black on Black crimes, it's a drop in the ocean. And black music that demean black lives and especially women with their culture of glamorising gangster life and debauchery.

Hard to take a booty clapping, twerking activist....Serious. lol
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I swear you sound just like Bill oreilly!! Do yo watch Fox News? It's like you copied their argument and pasted here! frist of The BLM movement was created to shed light on the police brutality. The movement's mission and purpose is to make the police stop shooting and killing UNARMED black men. For you to dismiss them bcz they dnt talk about black on black crimes is idiotic! You can argue why blacks dnt talk about black on black crimes more often but that is different subject and it has NOTHING to do with BLM. The right wing racists always bring up the black on black crime argument to deflect the systemic racism in the police force.
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jalaaludin5 wrote:That's good work.

BUT.

Would also love to see them highlight black on black crimes. When you compare police killing blacks to black on Black crimes, it's a drop in the ocean. And black music that demean black lives and especially women with their culture of glamorising gangster life and debauchery.

Hard to take a booty clapping, twerking activist....Serious. lol
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This is a logical fallacy sxb. One has nothing to do with the other. Police brutality is a problem and so is high crime rate.

Also, keep in mind that most people, of any race, who are the victims of a violent crime are usually victimized by someone from their own race.

As for the BLM movement then it's about more than just protesting against police brutality. It promotes certain ideologies that go against our religious and cultural beliefs, which is why I can't wholeheartedly support it, even if I happen to agree with them on certain issues.
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Machiavelli2 wrote:Dadkii necbanaa BLM Ma qabikooda baay u jihaad tageen? Bal Ka soo jiidaa the clan rooms.
I don't understand the point behind this thread sxb. If you're saying that Somalis should have done more to show their anger at what happened, then I totally agree.

As for BLM then we can agree with them on certain issues and disagree with them on others.
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Easy guys am not dissmising blm but simply pointing out the hypocrisy in this movement. Am not saying they shouldn't address police brutality, but why stop there? The name of the movement alone is stressing the fact that BLACK PEOPLE's LIVES MATTER. Which lives? Only those that are killed by cops? Isn't it crazy to take to the street after a police shooting when there were a dozen gang related killings that are not spoken of? Does a mother who lost a son or a daughter in a senseless drive by shooting grieve any less than a mother who's son was killed by a cop?

And what's so wrong if they take to the street Highlighting gang killings? Would that be going against the the mission statement of the organisation?

The point is [black live matter] so how are you gonna scream murder with a straight face talking about lives that matter, if they really DON'T?

Maybe one has to be American to make sense of this blatant hypocrisy. Or is it the fact that the name of the movement doesn't really make any sense?

If i am guilty of ignorance and someone who totally missed the point of this movement, at least am not alone. Which makes all those AA Americans who would agree with my point, also ignorant.

And to answer cigaals question...no I do not watch Fox new.
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Jalaaludin,i think you are mixing two issues like our ina adeer mentioned. This organization was established to bring attention to a specific issue;police brutality.

Your arguement sounds like you are saying;why fundraise for only lung cancer,what about breast cancer,both still terrible issues but no mutually inclusive. You can fight for one while still aware of the other.

Lets not demean and dismiss their fight because they didnt set their motto to fix the whole mess society has become.
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and how many somalis were killed from gang violence have they protest? non, these shallow niggas have this logic where 1 black guy is killed by cops and 50 blacks killed by other blacks, forget the 50 blacks and lets march for the death of 1 guy whos killed by a white cop
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Jareer lives dont matter to jareers so why should anyone march for them? Its the same people that glorfiy gang violence and being in prison but wants to claim that black lives matter? It dont matter to them when both the victim and the killer is black. I also know alot of confused somali youths are in this organisation in canada that probably organised this protest for the somali guy. Why dont black lives matter protest for this somali guy in american cities? Like they do for their own? You know the reason
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Tuushi wrote:Jalaaludin,i think you are mixing two issues like our ina adeer mentioned. This organization was established to bring attention to a specific issue;police brutality.

Your arguement sounds like you are saying;why fundraise for only lung cancer,what about breast cancer,both still terrible issues but no mutually inclusive. You can fight for one while still aware of the other.

Lets not demean and dismiss their fight because they didnt set their motto to fix the whole mess society has become.
I get it. Believe me I understand what you guys are saying.

BLM was established to address police killing BLACKS. So if there is no police killing, say couple of months, but there are gang related killing, all involving BLACK LIVES, does that mean they (blm) shouldn't be concerned because police are not involved? Am not trying to undermine or diminish their cause. I just don't get how you can take to the street after a police killing that happened two months ago while you dismiss the death of a young girl who died from a stray bullet fired from a moving car the night before.

The emphasis is on BLACK LIVES. their movement is getting big now so why still keep silent about these other killings?

Go watch all the YouTube videos about AA who have an issue with this one sided cause. If as mother you lost a son to a drive by shooting and there is a deafening silence and you see this guys walking by your house screaming justice For the killing of a known gang banger, how would you feel? It's not that complicated walaal. No one is asking them to turn sugar into salt. Am just saying that sugar can be used for coffee as well as shaax :lol:
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