Do people still have hope of SL and Somalia uniting

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

I realised most koonfuurs don't care about Somaliland rejoining Somalia, but most of the darood do.

Reer xamar realized that SL would never unite with Somalia so why waste time and energy.

Darood know that Somalia can never be great country without the idoors.

Reer Somaliland have come to far to scrap what they built from scratch. They also realising without the recognition, they still have a country and is investable. E g DP world.

All this useless talk with Somalia and Somaliland needs to settled. Mugdisho needs to recognize Somaliland, not for the sake of Somaliland but for the sake of its people.

We can't be stuck in a limbo for the next 25 years and let other countries take advantage like Kenya and Ethiopia.

The dream of the two countries uniting again it's long gone. Hassan sh and co need to look inwards instead of outwards to un and amison and make tough choice.


Let me know what think and going back to the questions.
why do darood care about uniting than reer xamar?

Suldaan

[Raganimo]

Hawiye are just as much against dividing Somalia as Daarood from what I've observed. They're just too preoccupied with southern politics to focus on what's going on in the North.

At the end of the day, both sides need to negotiate and then come to an understanding. Sadly, the current crop of somali politicians are not fit to make that decision. They are very incompetent.

[Ben Dover]

Without a union of Somaliland and Somalia the Darood become a minority in both states. It is that simple.

Now back to your question, I have hope of one day uniting with all Somalis, but the hyper nationalist, caadifad-driven idoor of old days is long gone. We have already sacrificed for the union of Somalis once and given up our independence for the sake of Somaliweyn. What did we get out of it?

Koonfurians like the concept of Somaliweyn, they talk about it all they time, but they like it as an idea or a thought exercise. The reality is they are not willing to give up anything to achieve it. That much is clear. Would they ever do what Somalilanders did in the 1960s and report to Hargeysa and give up their... err, what do they even have to give up? Yet they still expect the emotional idoor to report to Xamar.

Well, Somalilanders did it once. Its your turn now yaa reer Hutu.

But we know you dont have it in you. Your Somaliweyn crys is a political tool to you, you only use it because you stand to benefit from it.

As for Somaliland, Somaliland is gone.

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

Somali and politics they intertwine it with emotional thinking than factual information.

The old Somali politician was very savvy people but now geel jires are running the shows.

Prior to 1960 reer waqooyi and reer xamar have not interact with each other but we interact with darood maybe that's where darood are keen to share a country with us than reer xamar.

[Musa26]

many people still have hope for SL & somalia uniting. but the feelings arent mutual. reer sheikh isxaaq are not interested at all even though you will find an calooshiis u shaqeysta from among us everyonce in a while.

the daroods are motivated by pure spite. when they say midni mada somalia wa muqadis what they actually mean is hell no idoorku they will not be aloud the take their share of the pie and get a country to themselves. there are also other issues like if somaliland is recognised the dhulos and the few warsangelis will become minorities, this really worries them, i've even seen darood on darood jokes about this sort of thing lol

[Strategic]

as hawiye i dont care about SL,it has zero effect on me, but i want her to pay financial compensation

[Bibaaye6828]

is it so hard to understand we do not care about SL in any way, shape or form? Sl doesnt come up in any of our political conversations or fkd but you lot have us on your mind 24/7. Op kulaha we should recognise sl for the sake of our own people. What do we get out of it? Not gonna happen, ever.

Dadkaan yaab badna.

[Raganimo]

What's the population size of SL? 4-5 million? Somalia is probably around 8-10 million.

Adding Djibouti, Ogaden and NFD, Somalis would be split between five countries and we're no more than 15-20 million in total. Now please explain to me how the fuck this shit makes sense in terms of military/political strength??

Isaaqs joined Somalia not because of "wadanimo" or because they loved all somali people. They were smart enough to understand that it is in their best interest to join forces with fellow Somalis if they do not want to become another weak nation like Djibouti. Even the Djiboutians didn't want to have their own nation in the beginning but they were pretty much strong armed by the French.

So from a strictly rational perspective, splitting into numerous Bantustans makes zero sense especially since we're sandwiched between huge, powerful nations like Ethiopia and Kenya.

And who is to guarantee that both Somalia and Somaliland won't further split into even more "nations" in the future? Tribalism is a disease and once you have your Daarood, Hawiye and Isaaq/Dir states, now the sub-clans will be vying for power whetter it's Harti vs Sade vs Ogaden, or Abgaal vs Hg and even HA vs Gudabirsi vs Garxajis Vs HJ for Isaaq.

The truth is, nobody can guarantee that that won't happen. Ideally, we should have a strong national state which unites all Somalis and promotes a strong national identity over many decades in order to fully eradicate these tribal identities.

But sadly, that won't be happening any time soon. There is too much mistrust, too much division and way too much baggage from the civil war.

[BigBreak]

raganimo

three somali states - dj, SL and som - are enough, there wont be any further splits however unlike the other two, somalia is really a collection of foreign owned clan fiefdoms and not a single viable nation-state

hutus like bibaaye only reject SL sovereignty so that they can claim in our name our money #gaajostories

[Ben Dover]

Isaaqs joined Somalia not because of "wadanimo" or because they loved all somali people. They were smart enough to understand that it is in their best interest to join forces with fellow Somalis if they do not want to become another weak nation like Djibouti. Even the Djiboutians didn't want to have their own nation in the beginning but they were pretty much strong armed by the French.

Instead of theorising Isaaq's motives why dont you listen to the actual men who went to the south to deliver Somaliland explain why they did what they did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A2qn7uMTT0

[Raganimo]

Isaaqs joined Somalia not because of "wadanimo" or because they loved all somali people. They were smart enough to understand that it is in their best interest to join forces with fellow Somalis if they do not want to become another weak nation like Djibouti. Even the Djiboutians didn't want to have their own nation in the beginning but they were pretty much strong armed by the French.

Instead of theorising Isaaq's motives why dont you listen to the actual men who went to the south to deliver Somaliland explain why they did what they did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A2qn7uMTT0

I basically said that Isaaq recognised that it was in their benefit to join Somalia. Do you disagree with this?

It's common sense. The alternative view is that they sacrificed their own interests for the sake of midnimo which is very unrealistic. That's not how politics works in the real world. No flowery speech can change the reality of politics.

Yes, certain concessions were made but for the sake of a perceived benefit that would come.

[GIJaamac]

You're right, reer koonfur really don't give a shit about SL, because SL wasteland. There's nothing valuable for us in SL and you don't contribute nothing to other somali regions, simple as that. Honestly i think there are more dirty waqooyis than reer koonfur who want union back.

[Khalid Ali]

than why not sign the divorce papers once and for all good riddence what u afraid off

any way no one in sl has hope in a union but some secretly i somalia believe there will be a union i wonder in what world.

it is somalia that needs sl its somalia calling for union lol


any way the status quo is fine if u ask me.
we got our major port deal our security is in tact and tigres will be ousted soon and replaced by amhara

[Ben Dover]

Isaaqs joined Somalia not because of "wadanimo" or because they loved all somali people. They were smart enough to understand that it is in their best interest to join forces with fellow Somalis if they do not want to become another weak nation like Djibouti. Even the Djiboutians didn't want to have their own nation in the beginning but they were pretty much strong armed by the French.

Instead of theorising Isaaq's motives why dont you listen to the actual men who went to the south to deliver Somaliland explain why they did what they did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A2qn7uMTT0

I basically said that Isaaq recognised that it was in their benefit to join Somalia. Do you disagree with this?

It's common sense. The alternative view is that they sacrificed their own interests for the sake of midnimo which is very unrealistic. That's not how politics works in the real world. No flowery speech can change the reality of politics.

Yes, certain concessions were made but for the sake of a perceived benefit that would come.

Yes I disagree.

You did not watch the video. Start @43:00. This is an important historical document, a first hand account if you like of why Isaaq went south.

[Halmogg]

Forget about SL, i dont think the rest of somalia will be one in the next 5- 10yrs. iska illow