So technically the deyr rains have failed!

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So technically the deyr rains have failed!

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Here and there little drizzle but no rain. It's catastrophic. Dyer is from Oct to December so far no meaningful rains. The jilaal will begin in January and it's going to run till March, So basically no rain for the next 5 months and animals are dying in records . This is going to be a national disaster. :snoop:
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The reason why measures to enforce grazing controls on the land are not implemented and water catchment is not built nationwide yet is beyond me. The British were already planning to do just that in 1951, create 14 grazing zones and allocating nomads from each tribe into a zone that that they would not go beyond. It gives the land a chance to rest and lie fallow.

Not building 5-10 large dams at this stage is simply treason.
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To put it politely, we are fucked.
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There is a wasiir for everthing lkn the most important wasiir wey ilaweeyn wasiir kashaqeynta Abaar , as a semi desert nation who depends on roobka. Lkn dadka mesha jooga cidna uman jojinyaan. JSL needs a government kulmiye have run outof ideas ruunti .
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Ben Dover wrote:The reason why measures to enforce grazing controls on the land are not implemented and water catchment is not built nationwide yet is beyond me. The British were already planning to do just that in 1951, create 14 grazing zones and allocating nomads from each tribe into a zone that that they would not go beyond. It gives the land a chance to rest and lie fallow.

Not building 5-10 large dams at this stage is simply treason.
I was watching some of the victims of the draught some of them lost huge numbers of livestock. One old woman who was begging for blankets and tents to shelter from the cold lost as she admitted " laba tiro oo adhi ah" tiro is 100 heads of sheep or goat, that is close to 10k$$ , now why she didn't prepare for the draught that takes place yearly is baffling.? Couldn't they buy essentials? It's fukken bizzare.

Also I have noticed they are still watering animal from wels using hands????? Just like centuries ago. Why can't the well useres join together and buy a small water bump? The government has hundreds of heavy construction equipment we can creat hundreds of Bali the British accomplished that with one geologist and his wife Margert Laurance in total they created 7 water reservoir.

We have to face reality anybody who went to school with one look at the land can tell the levels of erosion is catastrophic. The land has gave up, itsnt only an issue of lack of rain the entire land is turned into desert.

We have to reforst the land, we can encourage tree planting where every married couple and their children plant trees and take care of it like they did with the road between Arabsiyo and Gabilay which is now well wooded, also reduce goat population, the proliferation of goats is disastersouse less then a century ago Somalis had maybe 20 goats among thousands of head of sheep. Now goats are almost as much as sheep.

We have to creat some sort of insurance and force people with huge numbers of livestock to pay for it. From ceerigaabo to Gabilay and from laas caanood to Hargaysa we can drill some 40 or 50 wels in interval of 15km that both domestic stocks and even the miserable wild game can drink from. And most importantly of all each nomadic family has to reduce their stocks the land is baked.

Sadly our people way of life hasn't changed since biblical time. To put it short it's a nation of monkies governed by Dee slick baboons. Every governor and official instead of planning for this eventulity spends his time in offices to appease his tribe and his governmental superiors and once a draught takes place they clamour in front of cameras and beg international community and the thousands of useless NGOs for help.

Just writing this and watching the misery raised my blood pleasure. Enough said.
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Over grazing, burning of wood for carcoal, cuting down trees for huts, and animal encampments, cuting trees down to wave for their endless visits..plastic bags that catch on to trees or plants and kill them. etc the land has been turned into a desert.

They need to plan for the coming of worse droughts, catch water, dig wells, ban cuting trees, develop farms to reduce the need for a large livestock population. Build dams. Stop over grazing switch grazing zones so they can grow back. Ban plastic bags, require every house must also plant trees Etc

Then the same thing happens every year, a person with hundreds if not thousands of livestock Is going to loose all of them, why not sell them buy a house open a business or live of the money? Why not plan with your neighbors or family to build a well or stop over grazing in one area and stop cuting down trees.. They are all crazy
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PrinceNugaalHawd wrote:Over grazing, burning of wood for carcoal, citing down trees for huts, and animal encampments, cuting trees down to wave for their endless visits..etc the land has been turned into a desert.

They need to plan for the coming of worse droughts, catch water, dig wells, ban cuting trees, develop farms to reduce the need for a large livestock population. Build dams. Stop over grazing switch grazing zones so they can grow back.. Etc
That f-king tradition must go. These idiots run to the nearest tree every time a toothless odey is inaugurated or a useless minister visits their tuulo to wave its branches for 5 min. Absolute abomination of a tradition.
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Ben Dover wrote:
PrinceNugaalHawd wrote:Over grazing, burning of wood for carcoal, citing down trees for huts, and animal encampments, cuting trees down to wave for their endless visits..etc the land has been turned into a desert.

They need to plan for the coming of worse droughts, catch water, dig wells, ban cuting trees, develop farms to reduce the need for a large livestock population. Build dams. Stop over grazing switch grazing zones so they can grow back.. Etc
That f-king tradition must go. These idiots run to the nearest tree every time a toothless odey is inaugurated or a useless minister visits their tuulo to wave its branches for 5 min. Absolute abomination of a tradition.
Instead of saving what little green they have they cut it down. We are a threat to the land that's why this is happening, we are killing it. No wonder why majority of wildlife left Somali inhabited regions.
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Big let down by so called leaders. I honestly would behead a lot of them.

Unless we chop heads and eradicate certain generations we won't see no changes. Things will only get worse.

Drought is caused by many things not just change to the environ but corruption, evilness, wars, lack of ethics, values, principles and the ruthlessness.

Our society needs new seeds not just water and pasture.

Give me the sword.
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This is the British plan to impliment grazing controls, in 1951!!
The fact that none of the successive Somaliland administrations even brought it up as a point of discussion shows just how incompetent they are with 40 some wasiir in name only.

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Ben Dover wrote:This is the British plan to impliment grazing controls, in 1951!!
The fact that none of the successive Somaliland administrations even brought it up as a point of discussion shows just how incompetent they are with 40 some wasiir in name only.

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They should implement the Plan the British had. & build dams to catch water and other water catchment programs, build wells and animal & wildlife watering areas. Ban cutting trees.
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Can you imagine implementing these grazing zones?

It would do wonders to let other parts of the land rest and fallow. Fourteen grazing zones and build wells in all of them and stipulate that any herd seen roaming outwith the grazing zone becomes government property.

For one it would end all the damn land disputes and nomadic clashes over grazing rights.
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Somali's are more resilient than you think.
Drought and famine is nothing new.....two good seasons back to back and the livestock will return in their millions. :)
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Ben Dover wrote:This is the British plan to impliment grazing controls, in 1951!!
The fact that none of the successive Somaliland administrations even brought it up as a point of discussion shows just how incompetent they are with 40 some wasiir in name only.

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This should definitely be implemented. I remember when my parents were growing up in miyi. The place was a jungle and my father use to walk a few kilometres to school and saw a lion sitting under a tree 20 metres from him. Luckily it was daytime and it was lazy. It's not too late this out of control grazing is destructive and we see it with recurring drought. Every country in the world has green areas that are protected.
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gambit wrote: This should definitely be implemented. I remember when my parents were growing up in miyi.
You remember that shit?

Your parents must've gotten married real young :lol:

On a serious note, this is actually a great plan and I do not know why the government is not willing to working on a permanent solution to this feast and famine nomadic lifestyle. Aside from land degradation and deforestation we are experiencing, this could also be seen as a life saving mechanism of ending grazing land disputes.

Each family will have upto 3 grazing areas to move between depending on rain and weather conditions.
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