DNA experts , need your analysis

[ramzy2277]

Salam Snetters,

its been quite some time since i decided to quit this site except for few occasions, like at the present case,I got my DNA result done at 23&me and I knew there are some DNA freaks and enthusiast in this forum,so I would appreciate if you give me some analysis and directions on interpreting this result, i tried to make few google searches to find somali dna groups to share info and discuss but a lot are not active.Anyhow...my result is:

paternal haplogroup is E-V32 ( E1b1b1a1b )
maternal haplogroup is R0a2.

Ancestry Composition
east african 94%
Mena 5%
and some other minor fractions.

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I am Habar Awal, Sacad Muse, Adaraxman Sacad,Xasan Adarxman.
Abtiyal side Habar awal,Sacad Muse,Samatar.
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so,what does the above DNA entails and relates to other Somali in general and to reer sheekh Isxaaq bin ahmed Alhashmi.

PS: what happen to uploading images feature..!!

[kanadiid90]

welcome back indr
well nowadays only khalid and xplaya are the only fellas here still believing in the Bani hashim thing while other have rejected it.

you got the same results as most HA who've taken the test (though they're less than 10 ppl) so honestly the isaaq DNA is still inconclusive not to mention we still dont have Arap,Ayuub and Tol jeclo results till now

btw I always wanted to ask you where do cabdiraxman sacad live other than xeebta waqooyi and burco

[X.Playa]

It boggles my mind what DNA and a personal one at that has todo with a 14 century ancestor ( sheekh isxaaq) who's DNA is unknown. No one must necessarily have to believe the Arab myth , what I always maintained and I will always maintane is that the patriarch of the Isaaq clan and founder is sheekh isxaaq Arab or chines it matters little.

Those of you who argue for the voodo dir ancestor have no evidence nor historical precedence. Just because some dude did his DNA and discovered he or she is either v- 32 or ta2 It doesn't negate nor prove anything. Does it prove the Isaaq are not the descendant of sheekh isxaaq discounting the Arab theory? Ofcourse it doesn't.

While the DNA warlord zumaale is using this science to debunk Daarood and Isaaq he strangely use it to reaffirm his Tarazan ancestor and some of you fail to notice the glaring contradiction and instead booty clap for your newly found daddy Dir Ibnu ram Ibnu zag Ibnu Tarazan from Larry poviche show.

[Sahibzada]

You are a true son of Subeyr Awal

Beesha HA has come out exactly the same in terms of Y-DNA,from CM in Burco to the Jibril Abokor in Jigjiga Woreda

[AwRastaale]

Sheikh Isaaq doesn't exist as an Arab man who fathered a black race that doesn't look any different than the other Africans in the Greater Horn of Africa.

That story is bogus and they way ancient Somalis took it was not that he was their father figure literally but he was their religious leader. Back in those days to be Arab meant to be Muslim nothing more. It had nothing to do with ancestry.

Everyone wanted to be Muslim and somehow link themselves to the Holy Prophet thus everyone took their Shahada as; Ash hadu alla ilaha illa Allah, wa ash hadu anna Mohammadan abduhu wa rasuluhu.

And in this context they also embraced Bini Hashim because it was their way of saying they were now the people of the Prophet. It didn't mean some figure from Bin Hashim banged their mothers.

It was religious alliance more so than ancestry.

Even in Ethiopia this matter was deeply practiced for example to be Amhara meant to be a Christian. You can be an Oromo Christian and you would be regarded as an Amhara back in those days.

Any Muslim from various groups were also simply grouped as Muslims. Ethiopia at one stage was Amhara or Muslim.

All Somalis have same Cushitic father and in term they all related to the ancient people of Agew, Oromo, Sidamo, Afar, Bilen and Beja.


Arab identity was religious ideology. The Somalis are not alone. Wherever Islam went, there were those claim to have Arab ancestry. Back in the days to be Muslim meant to be an Arab same way today if one is a citizen of United States he or she has a passport.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/com ... 75422.html

The current thinking in the subcontinent amongst Muslims in both India and Pakistan is that Arabs are racially superior to Dravidian Indians and so having Arab genes or an Arab bloodline makes them higher in status than Hindus of Dravidian origin. But more important is the thought that Arabs are Muslims, and that bestows moral superiority on them over the kafir or unbelieving Indian Hindus, which appeals to Pakistanis on many complicated levels.

Still, it was with some bemusement that I came across people opining on Twitter about the Pakistani need to claim false Arab ancestry when in fact their true ancestry is Hindu Indian. I tweeted that my family had some Arab ancestry on both sides, but that I considered myself Pakistani, not Arab, and was told firmly that all Muslims in the Indian Subcontinent had Hindu Indian mothers who were forcibly converted and raped by Arab invaders.

Get over it. There is nothing special about Sheikh Isaaq fairytale or that of the shoe shining Jeberti, the Oromos who claim Arab ancestry, Hararis, Eritreans, Pakistanis, Indians, Berbers, Chinese or Afar just to name few.

Islam was such power and everyone invented their own card to be part of it and take little token home with them. There is great misunderstanding.

[X.Playa]

Why assume he was Arab to begin with or better yet what prove you have that sheekh isxaaq isn't the ancestral founder of Isaaq. You just argue against his existence using the Arab card. And why most of sheekh isxaaq opponent assume isaaqa only preserved his history and tomb? In fact from sheekh isxaaq to every single majors clan and sub sub sub clan to the 6th generation tomb and where about is preserved. This is not just sheekh isxaaq, If we follow the logic of the " I found a new daddy group" we would have discarded every clan and sub clan and use the same logic that denies the existence of isxaaq we should apply the same logic to caynaashe or musee cabdalle and isxaaq. Yet non of you extend that logic.

Let's say we dug him out today and did a DNA on his remains and let say his haplogroup is the average Somali haplogroup would that change anything?

[Thanatophiliac]

Your results are consistent with what would be expected for the paternal Y-DNA. Congratulations for the results. You should have posted on the General section.

These tests are clearly showing that Somalis are a native ethnic group. As for the Banu Hashim Arab nonsense, logic itself debunked that even before DNA.

Your maternal ancestry is very interesting. You share maternal ancestry with many Arabs. You carry the same clade as the Socotris. R0 is a haplogroup that is predominantly in Arabia.

Anyway, congrats

[AwRastaale]

I do not care about DNA but I know the Arab story makes no sense.

DNA doesn't paint a clear picture because it can even pool together an Arab from Syria with someone from Hargeisa. Take for example the so called haplogroup R0.

The haplogroup has been observed among Chad Arabs (19%),[10] Copts (13.8%),[11] Tigrais (13.6%),[7] Somalis (13.3%),[7] Oromos (13.3%),[7] Afar (12.5%),[7] Amhara (11.5%),[7] Gurage (10%),[7] Reguibate Sahrawi (9.26%; 0.93% R0a and 8.33% R0a1a),[12] Gaalien (9%),[11] Beja (8.3%),[11] Nubians (8%),[7] Arakien (5.9%),[11] Yemenis (5.1%-27.7%),[7] Iraqis (4.8%),[7] Druze (4.3%),[7] Palestinians (4%),[7] Algerians (1.67%),[12] and Saudis (0%-25%).[7]

My theory applies to all clans and races not just Isaaq and Jeberti.

Don't take it personal.

[zumaale]

Ramzy

E-V32 is a y-dna group most commonly found among Horn of Africans. It has a negligible presence outside North East/East Africa. Hence, you are true son of the Dark Continent and have no paternal relations with most Arabs, Jews or Persians. You have the same paternally ancestry as other E-V32 Somalis, be they Darood or Samaale, and a lot of the Oromo. Embrace your Africanimo and drop the Hashemite myth bro.

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X.playa

You catching feelings too? Cry me a river!

[Khalid Ali]

there is no such thing as an arab dna with in every ethnic group there are several haplogroup and dozen of sub clades found. not sure how ur dna results brings up sheikh isxaaq. what is here for debate that ah man called sh isxaaq never existed or walked on this planet so we buried a ghost in mait and his sons buried next to him are also air lol. whatdoes one dna result got to do with a man who died 900 years ago lol. sheikh isxaaq a man existed and he had 8 sons and he is the founding father of the powerful isaaq tribe in the north.. there is no debate about its like saying your fourth grandfather did not exist and he was not cabdiraxman sacad bad but ras waqalle from adama. because of ur dna results.

[zumaale]

Denial

Anger

Bargaining

Depression

Acceptance

[ramzy2277]

@Kenadid,
Salam cuz,good to see u again, i was curious to know about this DNA ancestory stuff,and finding about your roots,but it seems its in its preliminary stage especially for east africa, in my dna result ,they generally mentioned east africa without specifying which country,also on my ancestory timeline,it shows ,1870-1770 that i have grandparent with 100% north african and on 1800-1710 i have grandparent with 100% Yakut ( I had to google wtf is yakut,it turned to be some turk Bedouins lool...!!! ) which is not true at all.....so all in all,i am not 100% convinced about the credibility of this dna analysis, but if u can compare it with other somalis or other races, u can come up with reasonable conclusions, as u said more samples from different clans ,subsclans is needed b4 reaching an understanding.

adaraxman sacad are mainly 2 branches aden adarxman and xasan adarxman, aden live in Djbouti,berbera and burco, xasan my branch live in hawd k5, mainly garabidhan, and west of hargeysa to arabsiyo, there is a small village malawle there lately some diaspora and local youth started funding and built school,clinic and farm projects so the reer miyi would just settle in and quit the nomad life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lxZJYYxcsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qP33kJbsgs


@Sahibzada & Thanatophiliac :

i think u r guys are experts in this dna ancestory stuff, so where do i compare and analyze the 23&me dna results, i tried to use GEDmatch, but the table looks large and confusing, any tips?

@Zumale,

I am new to this DNA stuff, but there is no decisive conclusion that E--V32 is exclusively for east africans, in fact in my ancestory timeline,23&me linked me to a north african grandparent between the periods of 1870-1770, north africa is predominately arabs then berbera.

@khalid
what are u talking about? warya i am the last person u try to convince about our our linage to sheekh isxaaq ben ahmed al hashimi..!!. matter of fact, this dna result (E1b1b1a1b ) proves our connection to the Hashemite tribe in arabia, if u read arabic, read this article in the Ahlu al Bayt forum...u will find a lot of arabs from suadia,syria..come up with ,E1b1b1a1b ,and all of them trace their linage to xuseen bin ali radiya ALLAH canhu.
http://alalbayt.com/?p=4430

[ramzy2277]

@ADMIN

Would you move this thread to the General Section

[Sahibzada]

Bro Gedmatch is the best place for you to upload.It will take a day or two before you will be able to use their admixture calculators.

As for you results they are what a typical Somali would score from autosomal percentages to your Y and Mt-DNA.There is no Hashemite connection although there is a small minority in the Arabian Peninsula that get E-V32 but that shows that they probably had ancestor from the Horn,Egypt/Sudan or even S.E Africa.

V32 is the definition of being a true Cushite...nothing to be ashamed of sxb.These E-M78 North African men started their trek south with their animals/women (obviously with some Beta male T-M70 carrier,A-M130 and even J1) around 7-10 thousand years ago.So although we can't rule out for certain of an Arabian E-V32 returning to the Horn without further downstream SNP testing and str markers,it is still highely unlikely!


You also definitely don't have recent N.African ancestry(but I can't be sure till your Gedmatch upload).The thing is Somalis are already around ~44% West Eurasian(Levantine Neolithic ancestry) which our Cushite ancestors brought south with us.23andme really sucks at showing Somalis more "ancient breakdown".

Somalis=Neolithic Levant + Chalcolithic Iran + Sudanese (south or "Nilotic"):

Sudanese: 55%
Neolithic Levant: 34%
Chalcolithic Iran: 11%

Here are pca plots of Horners including Somalis plotting between MENA folks and Sub Saharan Africans
Somalis plothttp://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QnFwBGkLRd0/V ... Africa.png

Habesha plot
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NZEMP4XxxAg/V ... rasian.png

[Sophisticate]

I must be one of the few that doesn't care about ancient admixture. Why? Since most groups are admixed if you go back far enough.

The thing is Somalis collectively are undeniably related irrespective of the haplogroup (autosomally). That hasn't changed their political ties/beliefs.

I will add that T isn't common in Ethiopia (3%) and it appears over-represented in individuals that identify as Dir (thus far). So far, Hawiye and Darood samples are overwhelming EV32 with few if any outliers. My theory is Issaq is predominately EV32, with the minority being T. This might be causing some people inner turmoil. It doesn't have to. A tribe is two-fold. (1) It's the bonds you form between people with similar interests and (2) blood relations. In the past, we have heard of people that broke off certain clans and formed unions with others. For instance, aden yonis of makahil samaroon and aden maadobe of habar jeclo claim to be related. I would be more interested to see if their results corroborate this story. I should also add that there is folklore about cidagale and reer nuur (of samaroon) having some distant kinship ties. This could be real since both are showing up as T. The jury is out on that one. We shouldn't be surprised to find outliers.

Thanatophiliac mentioned that there was this nuux ismail guy of sacaad Muse that turned out to be T. It could be that he was originally cidagle (since they live near each other) and was absorbed into sacaad muse. It's just a theory. Sahibzada seems confident that most HA are EV32.