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Eupedia have updated their Haplogroup T genetics page 2017. Beelweynta Dir Irir Samaale soo gala

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@Sophisticate
@Zumaale
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This is good news for the ocean of Beelweeynta Dir Irir Samaale.


The only bad news is, they still have no idea how T got into Africa, exactly. So, T, left the Zagros Mountains in the Neolithic, but how it reached the Horn. God knows. There are two main opinions for geneticists, the Egyptian route and the Arabian Peninsula route. But the confusion comes in when there is a minor presence of T in the Peninsula and also the corridor between Egypt and Somalia. We, may, never know.
The higher frequency of T in East Africa would be due to a founder effectamong Neolithic farmers or pastoralists from the Middle East. One theory is that haplogroup T spread alongside J1 as herder-hunters in the Pre-Pottery Neolithic period, leaving the Zagros mountains between 9,000 and 10,000 BCE, reaching the Egypt and the southern Arabian peninsula around 7,000 BCE, then propagating from there to the Horn of Africa, and later on to Madagascar. However, considering that J1 peaks in Yemen and Sudan, while T1 is most common in southern Egypt, Eritrea and Somalia, the two may not necessarily have spread together. They might instead have spread as separate nomadic tribes of herders who colonised the Red Sea region during the Neolithic, a period than spanned over several millennia. Nevertheless both are found in all the Arabian peninsula, all the way from Egypt to Somalia, and in Madagascar. This contrasts with other Near Eastern haplogroups like G2a and J2, which are conspicuously absent from East Africa, and rare in the Arabian peninsula. Nowadays, T1a subclades dating from the Neolithic found in East Africa include Y16247 (downstream of CTS2214) and Y16897. Other subclades dating from the Bronze Age (see below) are present as well, such as Y15711 and Y21004, both downstream of CTS2214.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_T_Y-DNA.shtml
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Kkkk but they are black africans and can not be refered as middle eastern or arabs.
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Dir boy..all you need to know is you descend from langaab beta males who used eat the scraps left by superior afro-asiatic E1b1b males in Egypt/Levant.

Lets not forget that the Natufians in the Levant(ancestors of Proto-Afro-Asiatics) were also E1b1b :lol:
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^ Why do you (and many of your "kinfolks") take this particular subject, DNA/Dir, as an affront to your very existence? Chill out man, hang loose as we say on the west coast.

No one here is beta male, certainly not our ancestors who traversed through hostile lands and hordes of humanity to reach the Horn well ahead of any other group.

Haplogroup T predates any modern concept of Middle East/Arabs by thousands of years.
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Lol

I use to love these haplogroup DNA results for one reason and one reason only, to shatter the Somali qabiil myth. 6+ years later, I think a lot of people started to open up about the idea and started questioning the whole clan concept.

Lakinse the lines gotta be drawn somewhere, when they start talking about 34,000 BC iyo Neolithic era , and so many other unnecessary theories, it's completely useless and waste of time.
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Thanato

We won't know for sure whether the founding fathers took the Egyptian or Red Sea route until a couple of us do a y-full test and compare it with the Middle Eastern T carriers and Egyptian ones. Too expensive at the moment.
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Sahibzada wrote: Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:49 pm Dir boy..all you need to know is you descend from langaab beta males who used eat the scraps left by superior afro-asiatic E1b1b males in Egypt/Levant.

Lets not forget that the Natufians in the Levant(ancestors of Proto-Afro-Asiatics) were also E1b1b :lol:
Ancestors of Proto-Afro Asiatics :lol: . There is no Afro-Asiatic genetic family or else your Bantu E cousins would also have been classified as Afro-Asiatic. You must have been emotionally damaged when you first did a DNA test to discover that you belong to the E family and not the grandson of a Dhegacas.

Just remember that a subgroup of Haplogroup K outnumbers your entire E family, the numerous Fufus included, so I would be careful about who I call Beta males.

Your kin were probably the biggest source of slaves in the history of mankind and you got the nerve to act Macho. :ufdup:
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Sahibzada, why are you always so hostile and confrontational. Can't we be brothers? :lol:

Jabuutawi, very true. My conclusion is that we are the original Somalis.

Advo, some people refuse to believe it. Wallahi. They still lie that they're Arab. One guy on this forums said: "So, are you telling me that the guy who is buried in ........ is a fake?"

Zumaale

Keep educating. Keep educating. :up:
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How can i take these genetics tests? I want testing that costs $50 or less. Some of you were talking about tests that costs $800. Seriously guys, you paid that huge amount of money to take these tests?
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gegiroor wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:30 am How can i take these genetics tests? I want testing that costs $50 or less. Some of you were talking about tests that costs $800. Seriously guys, you paid that huge amount of money to take these tests?
It is free in the States or that was the case a month ago. 23andme had a special offer for Skinnies, grab it while you can.

https://blog.23andme.com/23andme-resear ... s-project/
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Thanks Zumaale. I will follow that link and see where I can take it or send it to.
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Advo wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:04 am Lol

I use to love these haplogroup DNA results for one reason and one reason only, to shatter the Somali qabiil myth. 6+ years later, I think a lot of people started to open up about the idea and started questioning the whole clan concept.

Lakinse the lines gotta be drawn somewhere, when they start talking about 34,000 BC iyo Neolithic era , and so many other unnecessary theories, it's completely useless and waste of time.
Exactly. I'm Surre Maha Direed, and with the exception of the academic realm, I honestly don't care about where T was
ten thousand years ago. What matters is the here and now. Ethnic Somalis of all tribes have genetic similarity upwards of 90% ++ ...
That's as homogenous as it gets, I don't know what more we're looking for.

@ Thana: Leave the Arab loving tribe alone. Dir iyo Somali iskaba dhaaf,
Carab iyo Quraish ku wac, waa codsigooda. It's not appropriate to call a tribe by anything
other than what they call themselves. They can claim French or Chinese for all
I care. And don't bring molecular genetics to substantiate your argument, it is beyond
the comprehension of many.

As for the few Isaaqs here who are secure and proud of their native Somali roots, I say good on you.
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Kareem99, you are 100% right.

But don't you agree that those people are disgracing us Somalis by claiming that they're dad is an Iraqi refugee one day, a Samaale another day and Dir another? Or a Yemeni guy who got lost at sea and found a tree and climbed it and was saved by a girl who he ended up marrying who he knocked up and had mixed hybrid kids.

Aren't these stories disgraceful to the Somali people? Would any Arab accept these stories for themselves?

I remember how ashamed I felt when I saw one guy running after an Iraqi girl saying my great grandad was Iraqi Banu Hashim from Samarra. He was a blick guy too she started giving a dirty look.

Aren't these people humiliating us?
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Thanatophiliac wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2017 9:40 am Kareem99, you are 100% right.

But don't you agree that those people are disgracing us Somalis by claiming that they're dad is an Iraqi refugee one day, a Samaale another day and Dir another? Or a Yemeni guy who got lost at sea and found a tree and climbed it and was saved by a girl who he ended up marrying who he knocked up and had mixed hybrid kids.

Aren't these stories disgraceful to the Somali people? Would any Arab accept these stories for themselves?

I remember how ashamed I felt when I saw one guy running after an Iraqi girl saying my great grandad was Iraqi Banu Hashim from Samarra. He was a blick guy too she started giving a dirty look.

Aren't these people humiliating us?
You're right . But we Irir Samaales kept always kept it real, proud and secure in the native nature of our ancestry. Alhamdulillah for that.

To be fair, it's not really anyone's fault they've been told they have an Arab grandfather. But yes, stories like that make me cringe a little. The issue is that people who grew up in the West who took basic biology classes in high school still believe it, I don't know what to make of it. On the bright side, look at the rising number of Somalis who are rejecting fabricated stories of Arab ancestry and embracing their native roots.
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Loool got love the efforts of this zumaale dude he created his own Dir haplogroup like Moses found god on the Sinai mountains came down and converted yuusuf , most of the gedabursi into his new religion of Dir Ibnu T haplogroup.
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