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I am absolutely certain the whole mudug is correct, the MX occupied Gelinsoor but were expelled and the MJ we much further North technically outside were they are today, but encouraged after Barre regime fell and took over government buildings.

But the most interesting part is J/land during Barre regime, it was mostly Isaaq, but also DIR, D&M & Hawiye. I remember my grand father telling me this before he passed away, but it seemed too hard to believe at that time.

Interesting the CIA sometimes groups Isaaq under DIR but in J/land it made the distinction, this is how the CIA with their 1000 bases and wide intelligence apparatus viewed Somalia's clan demographics.

Makes sense in J/land, the neighbouring MX moved in after, while the D&M some stayed others went North, and the Isaaq's migrated to Kenya, typical Somali Nomads, colonial documents showed MX as settling there along with O.G, surprised both groups were not there during Barre's regime.

This should put to bed the theory of "Qabilkaan ba dhulkaan leh" myth, much of the southern clan's founders are buried in Sanaag/Togdheere, were most Somali's lived at that time.

CIA got this map from I.M.Lewis. its in his books. He was atvtimes Somali government advisor and his prejudice is exposed by the late author Cabdiqaadiy Oromo in his book " tiirka colaada".

Lewis used Afweyne fake tribal demographic in his books claiming a majority Daarood. Oromo debunks his garbage by botj using British population census and Italian population census before independence both giving teal numbers in where the Daarood are the leadt of the tree tribes isaaq and hawiye were 1% apart in most census given the margins of error its insignificant.

X.Playa wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:28 pm CIA got this map from I.M.Lewis. its in his books. He was atvtimes Somali government advisor and his prejudice is exposed by the late author Cabdiqaadiy Oromo in his book " tiirka colaada".

Lewis used Afweyne fake tribal demographic in his books claiming a majority Daarood. Oromo debunks his garbage by botj using British population census and Italian population census before independence both giving teal numbers in where the Daarood are the leadt of the tree tribes isaaq and hawiye were 1% apart in most census given the margins of error its insignificant.

eeydoor are only a 1/3 of the ogaden people in kilinka... how can you claim your on the same numbers as the hawiye when abgaal alone overlaps the idoorians...besides how comes your numbers are not reflected on the ground like darood and hawiye with multiple cities and provinces unlike your triangle of burco-berbera-hargeisa. yaab

The Isaaq/Hawiye who lived in Jubbaland were those that Barre airlifted after Abaartii Dabadheer. He gave them farms established jubbada dhexe/hoose and created new settlements of small villages for them and they left after the civil war. Only the Dhulbahante stayed.

X.Playa wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:28 pm CIA got this map from I.M.Lewis. its in his books. He was atvtimes Somali government advisor and his prejudice is exposed by the late author Cabdiqaadiy Oromo in his book " tiirka colaada".

Lewis used Afweyne fake tribal demographic in his books claiming a majority Daarood. Oromo debunks his garbage by botj using British population census and Italian population census before independence both giving teal numbers in where the Daarood are the leadt of the tree tribes isaaq and hawiye were 1% apart in most census given the margins of error its insignificant.

You are wrong, that same CIA document in terms of population consensus puts you ahead of Darood during Siyaad Barre's Era. I don't really care about dic-k measuring contests here.

What information do you have on Isaaq being a dominant clan in J/land during Barre regime, I know many were shipped there during the droughts but that alone doesn't explain this

These are not CIA data its from the book Somali Nationalism by Saadia Touval. You need to read books my friend you are bit behind in basic politics.

This map is confusing. If the idoors are the gray color then that's Bay, Bakool and Hiiraan areas. Darood is the white color which indeed shows that they dominate in Jubaland and almost 65% to 70% of Somali peninsula. Bare in mind, the map doesn't show NFD and deep down Southern Jubaland. It also shows that the "Issak" actually don't live in northern Somalia and that it's dominant by the Dir/Digil clan?

BarreLoyalist0 wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:49 pm

X.Playa wrote: Sat Feb 25, 2017 11:28 pm CIA got this map from I.M.Lewis. its in his books. He was atvtimes Somali government advisor and his prejudice is exposed by the late author Cabdiqaadiy Oromo in his book " tiirka colaada".

Lewis used Afweyne fake tribal demographic in his books claiming a majority Daarood. Oromo debunks his garbage by botj using British population census and Italian population census before independence both giving teal numbers in where the Daarood are the leadt of the tree tribes isaaq and hawiye were 1% apart in most census given the margins of error its insignificant.

eeydoor are only a 1/3 of the ogaden people in kilinka... how can you claim your on the same numbers as the hawiye when abgaal alone overlaps the idoorians...besides how comes your numbers are not reflected on the ground like darood and hawiye with multiple cities and provinces unlike your triangle of burco-berbera-hargeisa. yaab

Where these mysterious Daarood city are located? There is not a single Daarood city in the entire somali peninsula. What you mean is towns and villages. The largest 4 somali cities two of them are isaaq loool.

This abgaal analogy is ridiculous there are hardly any abgaal beyond Moqdisho in land and numbers dont even equal h.y never mind Isaaq.

Why do you Daarood always come up with the most fucked up unsubstantiated load of manure.

we will get rid of idoors from dhulbahante land..

Italian census counts of camels in Jubbaland.

Coastal tribes had 5, 000. Rest were all Darod, Absame and Marehan with Marehan have more than all the others combined

http://s166.photobucket.com/user/Warsam ... d.gif.html

bumps wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2017 2:28 am we will get rid of idoors from dhulbahante land..

Good luck. If i were you id be more realistic lool.

Who cares about the past, the fact remains, that Today darood own Jubaland, Puntland and Head of Somalia currently unless keyboard warriors can do something to change that other than to prattle at length.

As to my kith Smooth please stop this calacaal be a doer not a moaner so be silent, besides rallying the disenfranchised dir isaaqs wont get you anywhere other than ridicule and contempt by them and others alike.

Hawiye the only Qabiil that suffers from Self-defeating personality disorder.

'History belongs to the victors, legends to the people, fantasy to literature' -- 'Whereof one cannot act, thereof one must be Silent'

X.Playa wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:11 am
Where these mysterious Daarood city are located? There is not a single Daarood city in the entire somali peninsula. What you mean is towns and villages. The largest 4 somali cities two of them are isaaq loool.

Why do you Daarood always come up with the most fucked up unsubstantiated load of manure.

2 out of the 4 port cities in somalia are owned and runned by darood. jigjiga is darood city, qabri bayah is darood city, bosaaso is darood city, Garoowe a darood city, galkacyo darood city lascaanood darood city, kismaayo darood city, garissa darood city so how long shall i contine. now you tell me any idoor city beside the triangle of BBH

All these are villages.

BarreLoyalist0 wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2017 5:25 am

X.Playa wrote: Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:11 am
Where these mysterious Daarood city are located? There is not a single Daarood city in the entire somali peninsula. What you mean is towns and villages. The largest 4 somali cities two of them are isaaq loool.

Why do you Daarood always come up with the most fucked up unsubstantiated load of manure.

2 out of the 4 port cities in somalia are owned and runned by darood. jigjiga is darood city, qabri bayah is darood city, bosaaso is darood city, Garoowe a darood city, galkacyo darood city lascaanood darood city, kismaayo darood city, garissa darood city so how long shall i contine. now you tell me any idoor city beside the triangle of BBH

Largest Somali cities

1- Mogadishu
2- hargeisa
3- djabouti
4-burco

As you can see no darod city, you don't have a city but a villages and towns at best