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What can we as somalis learn from Rwanda?

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The Justice and Reconciliation Process in Rwanda:

During the 1994 genocide in Rwanda, up to one million people perished and as many as 250,000
women were raped, leaving the country’s population traumatized, its infrastructure decimated, and
sending shock waves through the international community. Since then, Rwanda has embarked on
an ambitious justice and reconciliation process with the ultimate aim of all Rwandans once again
living side by side in peace.

Justice after the Genocide:

In the years following the genocide, more than 120,000 people were detained and accused of
bearing criminal responsibility for their participation in the killings. To deal with such an
overwhelming number of perpetrators, a judicial response was pursued on three levels:
the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda, the national court system of Rwanda, and the Gacaca
courts.

The International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda:

The International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) was established by the United Nations
Security Council on 8 November 1994. The Tribunal has a mandate to prosecute persons bearing
great responsibility for genocide and other serious violations of international humanitarian law
committed in Rwanda between 1 January and 31 December 1994.
The first trial started in January 1997, and by December 2011, the Tribunal had completed the trial
work of 80 of the 92 accused. Nine accused were still at large The ICTR’s main body, the court of
first instance, is due to complete its work by the end of June 2012. Appeals are to be completed by
2014.

The Tribunal has issued several landmark judgments, including:

• In the first judgment by an international court on genocide, a former mayor, Jean-Paul
Akayesu, was convicted in 1998 of nine counts of genocide and crimes against humanity. The
judgment specifically held that rape and sexual assault constituted acts of genocide insofar as
they were committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a targeted group. The
judges found that, in the case of Rwanda, sexual assault formed an integral part of the process of
destroying the Tutsi ethnic group and that the rape was systematic and had been perpetrated
against Tutsi women only, manifesting the specific intent required for those acts to constitute
genocide.
• The conviction of the prime minister during the genocide, Jean Kambanda, to life in prison in
1998 was the first time a head of government was convicted for the crime of genocide.
• The Tribunal’s “Media Case” in 2003 was the first judgment since the conviction of Julius
Streicher at Nuremberg after World War II to examine the role of the media in the context of
international criminal justice.
The national court system
Rwanda’s national courts prosecute those accused of planning the genocide or of committing
serious atrocities, including rape. By mid-2006, the national courts had tried approximately 10,000
genocide suspects. In 2007, the Rwandan government abolished the death penalty, which had last
been carried out in 1998 when 22 people convicted of genocide-related crimes were executed. This
development removed a major obstacle to the transfer of genocide cases from the ICTR to the
national courts, as the ICTR draws to a close.
The Gacaca tribunal system
To address the fact that there were thousands of accused still awaiting trial in the national court
system and to bring about justice and reconciliation at the grassroots level, the Rwandan
government re-established the traditional community court system called “Gacaca” (pronounced
GA-CHA-CHA), which became fully operational in 2005.
In the Gacaca system, communities at the local level elect judges to hear the trials of genocide
suspects accused of all crimes except planning of genocide. The courts give lower sentences if the
person is repentant and seeks reconciliation with the community. Often, confessing prisoners
return home without further penalty or receive community service orders. Since 2005, more than
12,000 community-based courts have tried 1.2 million cases throughout the country.
The Gacaca trials also serve to promote reconciliation by providing a means for victims to learn the
truth about the death of their family members and relatives. They also give perpetrators the
opportunity to confess their crimes, show remorse and ask for forgiveness in front of their
community. The Gacaca courts are scheduled to close on 4 May 2012.

Unity and Reconciliation in Rwanda:

The reconciliation process in Rwanda focuses on reconstructing the Rwandan identity, as well as
balancing justice, truth and peace and security in the country. Different measures have been taken
by the Rwandan government towards achieving the goal of perpetrators and victims living side by
side in peace. For example, the Constitution now states that all Rwandans share equal rights. And
laws have been passed to fight discrimination and divisive genocide ideology.
Primary responsibility for reconciliation efforts in Rwanda rests with the National Unity and
Reconciliation Commission. Its main activities in the area of reconciliation are as follows:

• Ingando: A programme of peace education in solidarity camps. From 1999 to 2009, more than
90,000 Rwandans participated in these programmes, which aim to clarify Rwandan history and the
origins of division amongst the population, promote patriotism and fight genocide ideology.

• Itorero ry’lgihugu: Established in 2007, the Itorero programme’s objective is to promote
Rwandan values and cultivate leaders who strive for the development of the community. From
2007 to 2009, 115,228 participants took part in the Itorero program.

• Seminars: Training of grassroots leaders, political party leaders, youth and women in trauma
counseling, conflict mitigation and resolution, and early warning systems.

• National summits: Since 2000, several national summits have been organized on topics related
to justice, good governance, human rights, national security and national history.

• Research: The National Unity and Reconciliation Commission has published a number of studies
investigating the causes of conflicts in Rwanda and how to mitigate and resolve them.

Rwanda 1994:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgfjFa1Th5Q

Rwanda today:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqSIIaQ_JHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMf7GTNTtZ4
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Nothing.

Somalis keep on comparing themselves to other countries but you have to understand that our situation is different.

We don't need another Rwanda but what we do need is an Somalia.
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Ar hooy Somalis don't need to learn from Rwanda .
Somalia waa a soverign nation ! Lacagta loo deeqo inay dhaqaysato iyo inay wadooyin iyo warshado iyo maal galiin aad u weyn inaala gaaliyeey rabtaa . nabaduu waa Iska imaan
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We can learn from Rwanda that revenge will never bring you a closure, especially when you lost loved ones in that ugly and useless civil war.

The Rwandan Tutsis, who lost a million of their own, turned a page after the truthful commission and moved on without yearning for the killing of 1 million Rwandan Hutus. :up:
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gegiroor wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:12 am We can learn from Rwanda that revenge will never bring you a closure, especially when you lost loved ones in that ugly and useless civil war.

The Rwandan Tutsis, who lost a million of their own, turned a page after the truthful commission and moved on without yearning for the killing of 1 million Rwandan Hutus. :up:
Self serving faqash interpretation. The Tutsi pretty much jailed every Hutu suspect of genocide their prisons are crammed by them. The rest they chased them all the way to the DRC, one of the biggest factions in the DRC rebels are Tutsi militia hunting Hutu extremist.

Ina Dafle , Morgan, Tuke, Canjeex, Axmed Warsame and Siad Guuleed, Maxamuud Geele, Maslax and many others will be brought to justice one day if the opportunity comes.
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I agree we can learn from the their genocide but we should also learn from the Somali civil war and the 88 incident in the north, these things should never happen again and a good step forward would be to distance ourselves from former militia leaders, warlords and criminals who took part in the destruction of the state and benefited from it. I still find it mind boggling that a high profile war criminal like Morgan is chilling in Mogadishu and meeting with influential people in the political, business world.

The way forward is new faces, new generation and reconciliation between the clans.
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Adali wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:42 am I agree we can learn from the their genocide but we should also learn from the Somali civil war and the 88 incident in the north, these things should never happen again and a good step forward would be to distance ourselves from former militia leaders, warlords and criminals who took part in the destruction of the state and benefited from it. I still find it mind boggling that a high profile war criminal like Morgan is chilling in Mogadishu and meeting with influential people in the political, business world.

The way forward is new faces, new generation and reconciliation between the clans.
1988 incident? Lol the civil war started in 1988
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1988 "genocide" didn't exist.
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gegiroor wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:12 am We can learn from Rwanda that revenge will never bring you a closure, especially when you lost loved ones in that ugly and useless civil war.

The Rwandan Tutsis, who lost a million of their own, turned a page after the truthful commission and moved on without yearning for the killing of 1 million Rwandan Hutus. :up:
Alternative facts
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X.Playa wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:31 am
gegiroor wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:12 am We can learn from Rwanda that revenge will never bring you a closure, especially when you lost loved ones in that ugly and useless civil war.

The Rwandan Tutsis, who lost a million of their own, turned a page after the truthful commission and moved on without yearning for the killing of 1 million Rwandan Hutus. :up:
Self serving faqash interpretation. The Tutsi pretty much jailed every Hutu suspect of genocide their prisons are crammed by them. The rest they chased them all the way to the DRC, one of the biggest factions in the DRC rebels are Tutsi militia hunting Hutu extremist.

Ina Dafle , Morgan, Tuke, Canjeex, Axmed Warsame and Siad Guuleed, Maxamuud Geele, Maslax and many others will be brought to justice one day if the opportunity comes.

It'll never happen. You and your fellow queers were chasing Tuke in Western courts for 26 years and it didn't produce any results - whether it is a criminal or civil case.

Morgan? He is in Mogadishu and expect a big post in in this current upcoming cabinet, especially in the security sector.

Maslah was a presidential candidate in 2010. He is alright.

The rest of the men are old and doing good.

1988 "genocide" didn't exist. Stop the lies. The Somali army was defending against an Ethiopian-backed unpatriotic and terrorist group named SNM.
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Prlnce wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 4:27 pm
gegiroor wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:12 am We can learn from Rwanda that revenge will never bring you a closure, especially when you lost loved ones in that ugly and useless civil war.

The Rwandan Tutsis, who lost a million of their own, turned a page after the truthful commission and moved on without yearning for the killing of 1 million Rwandan Hutus. :up:
Alternative facts

How so? Everything that I said about the Tutsi is correct. You haven't refuted it but pulled the Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" line.

Btw, why do you have that gaal cadaan boy's picture as an avatar, whose hair is stitched from the back? :dead: That so demeaning man, so it is about time you remove it :idea: Don't take it personal; It is just an advice.
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gegiroor wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:40 am
X.Playa wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:31 am
gegiroor wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:12 am We can learn from Rwanda that revenge will never bring you a closure, especially when you lost loved ones in that ugly and useless civil war.

The Rwandan Tutsis, who lost a million of their own, turned a page after the truthful commission and moved on without yearning for the killing of 1 million Rwandan Hutus. :up:
Self serving faqash interpretation. The Tutsi pretty much jailed every Hutu suspect of genocide their prisons are crammed by them. The rest they chased them all the way to the DRC, one of the biggest factions in the DRC rebels are Tutsi militia hunting Hutu extremist.

Ina Dafle , Morgan, Tuke, Canjeex, Axmed Warsame and Siad Guuleed, Maxamuud Geele, Maslax and many others will be brought to justice one day if the opportunity comes.

It'll never happen. You and your fellow queers were chasing Tuke in Western courts for 26 years and it didn't produce any results - whether it is a criminal or civil case.

Morgan? He is in Mogadishu and expect a big post in in this current upcoming cabinet, especially in the security sector.

Maslah was a presidential candidate in 2010. He is alright.

The rest of the men are old and doing good.

1988 "genocide" didn't exist. Stop the lies. The Somali army was defending against an Ethiopian-backed unpatriotic and terrorist group named SNM.
Miskiinyow dabada weyn leh bal dhulkoodii car haku soo laabtaan Dafle iyo Tuke loool.

Miyaanaan caradoodi u bixin cara ku soo guura?
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X.Playa wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:48 am
gegiroor wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:40 am
X.Playa wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:31 am

Self serving faqash interpretation. The Tutsi pretty much jailed every Hutu suspect of genocide their prisons are crammed by them. The rest they chased them all the way to the DRC, one of the biggest factions in the DRC rebels are Tutsi militia hunting Hutu extremist.

Ina Dafle , Morgan, Tuke, Canjeex, Axmed Warsame and Siad Guuleed, Maxamuud Geele, Maslax and many others will be brought to justice one day if the opportunity comes.

It'll never happen. You and your fellow queers were chasing Tuke in Western courts for 26 years and it didn't produce any results - whether it is a criminal or civil case.

Morgan? He is in Mogadishu and expect a big post in in this current upcoming cabinet, especially in the security sector.

Maslah was a presidential candidate in 2010. He is alright.

The rest of the men are old and doing good.

1988 "genocide" didn't exist. Stop the lies. The Somali army was defending against an Ethiopian-backed unpatriotic and terrorist group named SNM.
Miskiinyow dabada weyn leh bal dhulkoodii car haku soo laabtaan Dafle iyo Tuke loool.

Miyaanaan caradoodi u bixin cara ku soo guura?

General Deyr Iskatoos, Colonel Caateeye, Colonel Inna-isbariije and many others who participated in the 1988 war are there. Go, do something about it.

Meelahaan ka nacnaclaysaa, wallaahay ri' gees kama ridi kartid.

Ya fag!
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gegiroor wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:41 pm
X.Playa wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2017 8:48 am
gegiroor wrote: Fri Mar 03, 2017 3:40 am


It'll never happen. You and your fellow queers were chasing Tuke in Western courts for 26 years and it didn't produce any results - whether it is a criminal or civil case.

Morgan? He is in Mogadishu and expect a big post in in this current upcoming cabinet, especially in the security sector.

Maslah was a presidential candidate in 2010. He is alright.

The rest of the men are old and doing good.

1988 "genocide" didn't exist. Stop the lies. The Somali army was defending against an Ethiopian-backed unpatriotic and terrorist group named SNM.
Miskiinyow dabada weyn leh bal dhulkoodii car haku soo laabtaan Dafle iyo Tuke loool.

Miyaanaan caradoodi u bixin cara ku soo guura?

General Deyr Iskatoos, Colonel Caateeye, Colonel Inna-isbariije and many others who participated in the 1988 war are there. Go, do something about it.

Meelahaan ka nacnaclaysaa, wallaahay ri' gees kama ridi kartid.

Ya fag!

Ciyaal u Afweyne darajado been ah ku taxay oo ka dibna iska doday sida dareeda cidi dan kama leh.

Laakiin ina Dafle iyo Tuke waxay la dhuumanayaan anakuna waanu ognahay ayaguna waaa ogyiin. Hal nin baa kuwaas sedexeeya waa doofaarkii bakhtiyey ee Jeengali.

Futada ayuun baa ku barartaye waxba ma ogid.
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mahoka wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:17 pm
Adali wrote: Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:42 am I agree we can learn from the their genocide but we should also learn from the Somali civil war and the 88 incident in the north, these things should never happen again and a good step forward would be to distance ourselves from former militia leaders, warlords and criminals who took part in the destruction of the state and benefited from it. I still find it mind boggling that a high profile war criminal like Morgan is chilling in Mogadishu and meeting with influential people in the political, business world.

The way forward is new faces, new generation and reconciliation between the clans.
1988 incident? Lol the civil war started in 1988
Its started in 1978 when ssdf tried to overthrow the government and took off in balanbale when ssdf and ethiopia took control over it, f-king nigger
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