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BERBERA, SOMALILAND
March 10, 2017 5:31 AM

Using metal hand tools, a team of forensic investigators scrapes away soil covering a mass grave in the town of Berbera, Somaliland. Nearly two meters below are the bodies of 17 men who are believed to have been rounded up, shot and dumped here nearly 30 years ago.

The men were from the Isaaq clan. They allegedly were killed by troops, loyal to Somali dictator Siad Barre, who were battling rebels from Somaliland at the time.

The campaign killed about 50,000 people, mostly from the Isaaq clan. The commission says this was a genocide, although the use of the term is disputed.

More than 25 years after that civil war ended and Somaliland declared its independence from the rest of Somalia, researchers continue to find mass graves around the country.

For the past five years, Somaliland's War Crimes Investigation Commission has teamed up with a group of international forensic investigators to exhume the bodies.

They hope to gather enough evidence to bring the alleged perpetrators of war crimes to justice.

Commission chair Khadar Ahmed Like says the exhumation process is a matter of dignity for the dead, who often were dumped in pits without ceremony.

Many more mass graves dot Somaliland's landscape, including six other known sites in Berbera alone. New graves often are discovered after rains wash away topsoil to reveal human remains.

In the past five years, the commission has exhumed 11 mass graves, including the one opened this year in Berbera, according to Like, and it has reburied more than 100 bodies.

After removing the bones, the team reassembles the skeletons and analyzes the remains in hopes of identifying the victims and establishing a probable cause of death.

http://www.voanews.com/a/somaliland-ope ... 57516.html
They are still finding mass graves 30 years later.

Lest we forget.
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Sl should take somalia to ICC
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You are being sarcastic but I would definitely support that.
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Ben Dover wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:56 pm You are being sarcastic but I would definitely support that.
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That's faqash mass graves. Laakiin kiiska ayaanu ku darsanaynaa, waxaan leenahay wax kasta oo grave ah waa xasuuq. :lol:
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I am not being sarcastic.. While bringing whats left of the orchestrators to accountability seems a daunting prospect- the next best thing is to make Somalia cough Millions in compensation. SL should be prepared for a counter lawsuit from their naighbours in the case of seeking compensation as it opens literally the flood gates
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I am not being sarcastic.. While bringing whats left of the orchestrators to accountability seems a daunting prospect- the next best thing is to make Somalia cough Millions in compensation. SL should be prepared for a counter lawsuit from their naighbours in the case of seeking compensation as it opens literally the flood gates
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Ben Dover wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 1:43 pm Image

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BERBERA, SOMALILAND
March 10, 2017 5:31 AM

Using metal hand tools, a team of forensic investigators scrapes away soil covering a mass grave in the town of Berbera, Somaliland. Nearly two meters below are the bodies of 17 men who are believed to have been rounded up, shot and dumped here nearly 30 years ago.

The men were from the Isaaq clan. They allegedly were killed by troops, loyal to Somali dictator Siad Barre, who were battling rebels from Somaliland at the time.

The campaign killed about 50,000 people, mostly from the Isaaq clan. The commission says this was a genocide, although the use of the term is disputed.

More than 25 years after that civil war ended and Somaliland declared its independence from the rest of Somalia, researchers continue to find mass graves around the country.

For the past five years, Somaliland's War Crimes Investigation Commission has teamed up with a group of international forensic investigators to exhume the bodies.

They hope to gather enough evidence to bring the alleged perpetrators of war crimes to justice.

Commission chair Khadar Ahmed Like says the exhumation process is a matter of dignity for the dead, who often were dumped in pits without ceremony.

Many more mass graves dot Somaliland's landscape, including six other known sites in Berbera alone. New graves often are discovered after rains wash away topsoil to reveal human remains.

In the past five years, the commission has exhumed 11 mass graves, including the one opened this year in Berbera, according to Like, and it has reburied more than 100 bodies.

After removing the bones, the team reassembles the skeletons and analyzes the remains in hopes of identifying the victims and establishing a probable cause of death.

http://www.voanews.com/a/somaliland-ope ... 57516.html
They are still finding mass graves 30 years later.

Lest we forget.
Berbera or any other city wasn't even touched yet. Only Hargaysa and its country side. Africa watch through lots of interviews in 1989 estimated nightly executions of civilians for the first 2-3 months of the war 35-40 women and men have been excuted nightly. After shooting their throat was slit. Majority of the mass execution were ordered and supervised by Gen. Axmed Warsame who then was the head military in Berbera. Later he was transferred to Hargaysa and replaced Morgan . His mass killings in hargaysa is narrated in the documentary " kill all but the crows" he is that man who makes that statement.

Majority of people excuted in Berbera were transported from else where. The number could reach close to 20 thousands including isaaqs deported from the middle east.
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P.s. notice how the VOA claims the genocide is disputed! By who? Not the world the world recognizes the genocide only non Isaaq somalis are denying what the world have recognizes. So why the voa insert such a bias claim.?
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One should Twitter the author and enquire who disputes these facts and wgat evidence he has to give their claim this legitimacy.
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By the way Berbera is the best evidence for genocide beacuse despite the fact that there were no SNM rebels in Berbera till January of 1991 the mass killings took place pre 1991 despite the fact there was no threat nor war in the twon.
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FarhanYare wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:31 pm I am not being sarcastic.. While bringing whats left of the orchestrators to accountability seems a daunting prospect- the next best thing is to make Somalia cough Millions in compensation. SL should be prepared for a counter lawsuit from their naighbours in the case of seeking compensation as it opens literally the flood gates
And who are these neighbours and what evidence they have I'd love to hear it.
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Ur fellow northerners
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FarhanYare wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:31 pm I am not being sarcastic.. While bringing whats left of the orchestrators to accountability seems a daunting prospect- the next best thing is to make Somalia cough Millions in compensation. SL should be prepared for a counter lawsuit from their naighbours in the case of seeking compensation as it opens literally the flood gates
Your post is very disingenuous.

- When you say 'make Somalia cough millions in compensation', how much exactly would it be per head for 50,000-100,000 civilians killed by the state? And how would a bankrupt Somalia pay for it? You are being sarcastic, but be careful what you wish for sxb.

- 'SL should be prepared for a counter lawsuit from their neighbours', are you regurgitating the same old lies that SNM attacked civilians?

It must be very hard for southerners to imagine a rebel group with the sole aim of liberating their land, and very little interest in dishing out payback cheques. The is a reason why SNM is revered by Somalis and whites alike to this day and USC isnt. SNM went out of its way to safeguard non Isaaqs and forced Isaaqs into taking the peace and not retaliate. What yo do not understand (or wilfully ignore) is that Gudabursi, Dhulbahante and Warsangali were armed by Barre and encouraged to attack Isaaq civilians. SNM still refused to retaliate, they only destroyed combatant non-Isaaqs. There are many accounts of this but here is an example:

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This is the SNM sxb. I have challenged anyone in the past to present evidence SNM committed genocide on anyone and have not seen anything yet. I will extend you the same challenge if you like. If you have proof of what you have insinuated then please present it, be it mass-graves, non-biased eye-witnesses, international investigations, reportage, anything. I would love to see what you can find.
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X.Playa wrote: Fri Mar 10, 2017 2:56 pm One should Twitter the author and enquire who disputes these facts and wgat evidence he has to give their claim this legitimacy.
I noticed that too. These scum think they are sly with it.

Notice their wording:

The campaign killed about 50,000 people, mostly from the Isaaq clan. The commission says this was a genocide, although the use of the term is disputed.

They did not dispute the 50,000 figure, because they know they would be fucked if they do. They instead disputed the label 'genocide', as if the label changes the realities of what took place.

Wallahi these people are scum. Yet they would cry for Somalinimo and accuse you of being Somalidiid.
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