wax somali wada leeyihiin

[sahal80]

yar qolyihii hore ka mid ahaa ayaa yiri ninyahow anaga meeshaan gurigeenaan u haysanay dawlad iyo waxaasba kuma fakari jirnin laakiin hadii hada dawlad la dhisayo dantaa anaga xataa noogu jirta waa la qabsan rabaa!!!!

dadka badanaaba farmaajo ka cabaadaya waxay ka cabsanayaan in meeshaan xamar hagaagto waayo qorshaha dawladan waa maaha somaliya oo dhan waa XAMAR

tusaale garguurte 5% ayuu gobolka banadir siin jiray, dadla lacagta haysta waa dad ku cid ah oo la siiyay qandaraasyada NGOda, mid dharka askarta keena, mid kabaha askarta keena, mid computerska shaqaalaha iyo ajaanibta keena, mid zaadka ciidanka haysta, kuwo bankiga heysta, kuwo airportka haysta waa MUQAAYAD REER maga somalia wax ku cuna

laakiin shacabka hoose iyo askarta waxba ma gaaraan maadama 5% banaadir laga siiyay

hada maamulka labo ayaa loo kala qaadayaa, qaybta projectska waa reer xamar qeebta siyaasadana waa reer kii hore

shaqaalaha iyo guryaha iyo adeega waxay hoos tagayaan duqa muqdishu oo ah mansib reer xamarka loo dhiibi rabo halkaas ooy cadaalada ka hirgalayso si ay u noqoto wax u eg caasimad

waxaa lakala diray maleeshiyadii villa somalia ee halka reer aheed waxaana la aruurinayaa ciidan isku dhaf ah oo amisom kala wareega villa somalia. 10 sano ayay uga saariwaayeen amisom meeshan ka warama?

waxaa loo sheegey ethiopianka iyo safaaradaha kale inay ka baxaan meesha deg deg
http://www.garoweonline.com/en/news/som ... -mogadishu

diblomaasiyiinta waxaa lagu qaabili doonaa villa somalia not xalane

baabuurta xamar waxaa loo wadayeelayaa taargo

all this to happen in its first year

saa darteed dadka jecel dawladnimada sida Yusur Abrar, Ugas hassan waxay booqdeen xamar si ay u dhiiri galiyaan dawlada cusub

hadaba maamulada farmaajo ka qayliya waxay ka cabsanayaan intaas bas inay meeshaan hagaagto!


waxaa kuu soo haray SNET mareexaanka ee soo laabtey oo arintaan u is ticmaalaya si dawlad kacaan iyo inay ku daan daan sadaan maamulada qaar

mareexaan waa nasiib badan yihiin lakiin ka qabiil maaha dad nidaamsan(organized), farmaajo murursaduu ka soo dhexbaxay ayagaa raysul wasaare ka dhigeen, hadana daljir ayuu soo marey oo shariif isku dhaceen kadib markuu diiday inuu cabdikariim jaamac oo dhulbahante murursade dhaleen ah raysulwasaare ka dhigo

hadaba wax qabadka farmaajo ma waxay ka dhigantahay wax qabad daarood mise mid shakhsi iyo urur?

soo ma aheen sanbaloolshe ninkii xamar ka saarey axmed daaci iyo cabdi waal oo xilidhibaanadooda u isticmaaleen rashwaan xirsi(magaca looga yaqaan dam jadiid oo ah laaluush qaate(rashwaan) magiciisa dhabta ah waa ridwaan) ridwaan wuxuu adeegsadey yuulka oo mareexaan ah!

siyaasiyiinta waxay yiraahdaan hadii sanbaloolshe 6 bolood joogi lahaa xamar shabaab ma joogteen

amniga oo al shabaab bursanaya ayaa waxaa xabado ku furay meleeshiyadii axmed daaci oo siisay safe passage markaas ayuu sanbaloolshe yiri hala soo qabto asaga naftirkiisa!

sanbaloolshe ka hor gudoomiyaha banaadir wuxuu ahaa magac u yaal. yaa ka horyimid mareexaan!

hadaba hanooga dhigina barnaamijka farmaajo barnaamij ay leeyihiin mareexaan. meeshaan waa barnaamij somaliwayn ah waa jirtaa inay murursade iyo mareexaan hor boodayaan laakiin waxay ka mid tahay isbadalka. mareexaan waxay farmaajo u soo jeediyeen inuu HG maagacaabo laakiiin wuxuu qaatey taladii murursade! waa hadii qabiil wax loo nisbaynayo!
http://www.wardheernews.com/farmajos-farce/

[AwRastaale]

Sahal,

I think Snet knows you very well by now. You are someone that tries desperately to conceal his true nature through the use of 'regions not qabils'

Equally you have a nature of initially getting to excited only to turn one your self-created Messiah down the line.

Here is you initially jumping hoops for HSM only to turn on him and his Abgaal later when they squeezed you in Hiiraan, where Hawadle is one of 15 tribes in that region. Ops I said qabils I mean regions

You are just back to your cycle. You are like a sine wave. None of the below essay happened and above will have same results. Keep riding that wave sxb. See you in few months with bare calacaal.

sahal80 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:05 am

For a better understanding of this visit, let us back to our old thread to see what has changed so far since the invitation. I know he is attending the UN summit but this was just a good time.

Firstly america has strongly welcomed hassan sheekhs accession to the power but at a time when the politics were on the verge of agravation they contacted with him and their clues were back then not too adjacent with his long term policies however he insisted all of his short term and long term plans and the agenda was postponed to this visit

Now, since the invitation, there have been a good political accomplishments like the peace agreements, reconciliations, national conferece vision2016...all of these accomplishments have been welcomed internationally.

This makes him a capable leader who can deliver his own national policies...however, it looks like the implementation could have a different tactics to make it more adjacent and central where the president plays dowr al bu toula(the starring role) and the speaker or the pm saying different things that goes along with their bases according to the tawzeec al adwaar policy( distibution of roles)

Some groups have won over others because of some situation and have been told to wait for the post-interim era as nothing states now anything except an agreement...are these groups preparing now for the contra attack where the world can hear their voices? anyways it was a political accomplishment for the govt.

as the president has sorted out his national issues it seems that they would care now only about having an ally just like many other leaders and the latest political support of funding the somali democracy shows getting the green light.

The american political support would include military aid as john kerry himself stated it before.







president intended to visit US for talks
by sahal80 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:35 pm

I'm the source.

Kenya and ethiopia are somalias most influential external players, these two countries are againist strong somali central state and told this to the west for a long time.

They only accept a fragmented somalia with some regions closely linked to them.

These two countries are the driver behind the federalism, thus, the somali politics should be fragmented along tribal lines based on three federal tribal states... Puntland, mogadisho and jubbaland

These countries have sent a lot of secret reports about somalia to the west, using the jihadist, refugee and security cards and indeed had a significant influence on them.

Though the westreners didn't approved all their suggestions but still all their clues about somalia are from these countries and this is why hassan sheekh is confronting all these external problems

Somalias hassan sheekh would be vastly different if these external problems were removed

Wikileaks report on these contacts on somalia
DAS Wycoff told Wetangula that the USG
continued to strongly oppose the Kenyan "Jubaland" initiative as a
bad idea that would more likely add to Somalia's instability than
to help stabilize the country. Wetangula defended GOK plans to
pursue its Jubaland (southern Somalia) initiative, implied that it
was in evolving concept, and offered to facilitate better USG
understanding of Kenya's plans.



Now what is the american position?

America has approved on hassan sheekhs 6 pillars policy in order to maintain stability and peace first but there is some clash between them wich is about the federalism. The US has asked him to appoint his interim governors but after this term ends has to bring the system closer to a genuine federalism by holding a regional elections...
All that is agreed, the problem is that Hassan sheekh wants the govt to control the port revenues in the federalism era so he refused to listen to their clues saying that he will rather resign than grant the federal states this status specifically in the south

The reason is that he fears such a federal state will have contracts with foreing countries on its port and resources and though getting and interim support he doesn't want to sign what could damage him in the long run.

[sahal80]

Sahal,

I think Snet knows you very well by now. You are someone that tries desperately to conceal his true nature through the use of 'regions not qabils'

Equally you have a nature of initially getting to excited only to turn one your self-created Messiah down the line.

Here is you initially jumping hoops for HSM only to turn on him and his Abgaal later when they squeezed you in Hiiraan, where Hawadle is one of 15 tribes in that region. Ops I said qabils I mean regions

You are just back to your cycle. You are like a sine wave. None of the below essay happened and above will have same results. Keep riding that wave sxb. See you in few months with bare calacaal.

sahal80 » Sat Sep 21, 2013 7:05 am

For a better understanding of this visit, let us back to our old thread to see what has changed so far since the invitation. I know he is attending the UN summit but this was just a good time.

Firstly america has strongly welcomed hassan sheekhs accession to the power but at a time when the politics were on the verge of agravation they contacted with him and their clues were back then not too adjacent with his long term policies however he insisted all of his short term and long term plans and the agenda was postponed to this visit

Now, since the invitation, there have been a good political accomplishments like the peace agreements, reconciliations, national conferece vision2016...all of these accomplishments have been welcomed internationally.

This makes him a capable leader who can deliver his own national policies...however, it looks like the implementation could have a different tactics to make it more adjacent and central where the president plays dowr al bu toula(the starring role) and the speaker or the pm saying different things that goes along with their bases according to the tawzeec al adwaar policy( distibution of roles)

Some groups have won over others because of some situation and have been told to wait for the post-interim era as nothing states now anything except an agreement...are these groups preparing now for the contra attack where the world can hear their voices? anyways it was a political accomplishment for the govt.

as the president has sorted out his national issues it seems that they would care now only about having an ally just like many other leaders and the latest political support of funding the somali democracy shows getting the green light.

The american political support would include military aid as john kerry himself stated it before.







president intended to visit US for talks
by sahal80 » Sat Jul 13, 2013 8:35 pm

I'm the source.

Kenya and ethiopia are somalias most influential external players, these two countries are againist strong somali central state and told this to the west for a long time.

They only accept a fragmented somalia with some regions closely linked to them.

These two countries are the driver behind the federalism, thus, the somali politics should be fragmented along tribal lines based on three federal tribal states... Puntland, mogadisho and jubbaland

These countries have sent a lot of secret reports about somalia to the west, using the jihadist, refugee and security cards and indeed had a significant influence on them.

Though the westreners didn't approved all their suggestions but still all their clues about somalia are from these countries and this is why hassan sheekh is confronting all these external problems

Somalias hassan sheekh would be vastly different if these external problems were removed

Wikileaks report on these contacts on somalia
DAS Wycoff told Wetangula that the USG
continued to strongly oppose the Kenyan "Jubaland" initiative as a
bad idea that would more likely add to Somalia's instability than
to help stabilize the country. Wetangula defended GOK plans to
pursue its Jubaland (southern Somalia) initiative, implied that it
was in evolving concept, and offered to facilitate better USG
understanding of Kenya's plans.



Now what is the american position?

America has approved on hassan sheekhs 6 pillars policy in order to maintain stability and peace first but there is some clash between them wich is about the federalism. The US has asked him to appoint his interim governors but after this term ends has to bring the system closer to a genuine federalism by holding a regional elections...
All that is agreed, the problem is that Hassan sheekh wants the govt to control the port revenues in the federalism era so he refused to listen to their clues saying that he will rather resign than grant the federal states this status specifically in the south

The reason is that he fears such a federal state will have contracts with foreing countries on its port and resources and though getting and interim support he doesn't want to sign what could damage him in the long run.

this is 3013 under guleed and aicha haji, abdiqasim was ringing as adviser. im always rational person for example i never was against JL or ahmed madobe. i supported the govt to fix xamar and it failed why i have to support it if things r getting worse? i found out hes corrupt, he started relying on farah abdulqadir and ethiopia by 2014

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Hassan_Nuriye

i distanted myself after he reappointed the ethiopian stooge abdifatah afrah because in 2013 were were going to elect a new governor but he asked us to let him appoint col laqanyo for a transitional 6 months. we elect our leaders since 1993 like col hassan qalaad, shuriye, ambassador laqanyo and the mayor of baledweyne in early 2012. aferjeeble gargurte thought he could control us via this warlord like his clan finally making a federal state was for me the straw that broke the camel's back. why i was sided with my clan? to keep the afarjeeble culture away from us. between 2008 and 2010 we had a pro-TFG adminstratiom without ethiopia and amisom been in hiiraan because our people listen the Ugas and the elders, traditonal politicians like omar hashi. sh sharif was going to baledweyne with him while he was protected by amisom in xamar. so garguurte came to bribe the people like in xamar and he failed

ali osobe has given him the middle finger as soon he got elected and worked with Ugas hassan and godax. today hes protected by Ugas hassan while Guled is gone


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_ ... 3&refid=17

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 6&start=75

[Voltage]

Sahal, I agree with the dawladnimo thing you are talking about. No Marehan has said Farmaajo's government is a Marehan president or ever brought up Kacaan. Farmaajo is a son of Somaliweyn and a son of Marehan and of course Marehan are proud of him as his supporters and told he is now President. Nothing more nothing less.

Secondly, lately you have taken to Farmaajo Murusadaa keenay. I have nothing against Murusade, but the question is IYAGU ma is keeni karaan? First during the last days of the election, you kept saying Xamar is too much unukaaleh and as a result the election would be Sheikh Sharif vs. Hassan Sheikh. Then when Farmaajo won you said Fahad Yasiin, a rer Aw-Xasan and his Qatar links brought him. Then you did more election analysis and said Ala Sheikh and Abdishakur Ali Mire, a Marehan, were involved. Then when it was time for Prime Minister, you said Famaajo would mostly likely pick Abgaal because they were too strong in Mogadishu and he didn't want a revolution but he might go with Habar Gidir to lessen his chance of pressure from Abgaal PM. Then when Khayre was elected, you basically said he was Dam Jadiid and it was Farmaajo settling on his xidid but in a way to have easy transition from Hassan Sheikh. Now it is Daljir brought him and a Murusade, a relatively weak Hawiye clan even in Mogadishu. I guarantee you if he picked Habar Gidir as PM, they would see waxuu ku tiirsanyahay HG or Abgaal, etc. The truth is Farmaajo picked the guy he could work with and from what I recently heard from a guy who is very close to Farmaajo, he settled on Khayre in 2014 in a meeting in the Netherlands. Farmaajo lost in 2012 with heavy population support and since then him and Tayo have been preparing every detail for 2016. Your usual marfish talk does not apply here.

We get your point not trying to Darodize or Marehanize Farmaajo, but cantarabaqashka naga yareey. Maybe the Isaaq making a Darod bogeyman of Farmaajo baa ku dhibtay but aflgaadada iyo waa la keenay jooji.

Support the good developments as you see them and leave the gossip and khat houses talk out of discussions.

[sahal80]

Sahal, I agree with the dawladnimo thing you are talking about. No Marehan has said Farmaajo's government is a Marehan president or ever brought up Kacaan. Farmaajo is a son of Somaliweyn and a son of Marehan and of course Marehan are proud of him as his supporters and told he is now President. Nothing more nothing less.

Secondly, lately you have taken to Farmaajo Murusadaa keenay. I have nothing against Murusade, but the question is IYAGU ma is keeni karaan? First during the last days of the election, you kept saying Xamar is too much unukaaleh and as a result the election would be Sheikh Sharif vs. Hassan Sheikh. Then when Farmaajo won you said Fahad Yasiin, a rer Aw-Xasan and his Qatar links brought him. Then you did more election analysis and said Ala Sheikh and Abdishakur Ali Mire, a Marehan, were involved. Then when it was time for Prime Minister, you said Famaajo would mostly likely pick Abgaal because they were too strong in Mogadishu and he didn't want a revolution but he might go with Habar Gidir to lessen his chance of pressure from Abgaal PM. Then when Khayre was elected, you basically said he was Dam Jadiid and it was Farmaajo settling on his xidid but in a way to have easy transition from Hassan Sheikh. Now it is Daljir brought him and a Murusade, a relatively weak Hawiye clan even in Mogadishu. I guarantee you if he picked Habar Gidir as PM, they would see waxuu ku tiirsanyahay HG or Abgaal, etc. The truth is Farmaajo picked the guy he could work with and from what I recently heard from a guy who is very close to Farmaajo, he settled on Khayre in 2014 in a meeting in the Netherlands. Farmaajo lost in 2012 with heavy population support and since then him and Tayo have been preparing every detail for 2016. Your usual marfish talk does not apply here.

We get your point not trying to Darodize or Marehanize Farmaajo, but cantarabaqashka naga yareey. Maybe the Isaaq making a Darod bogeyman of Farmaajo baa ku dhibtay but aflgaadada iyo waa la keenay jooji.

Support the good developments as you see them and leave the gossip and khat houses talk out of discussions.

ok Ustad voltage i agree with you 99% and sorry if i sound bellitelling MX role in farmaajos isbadal. MX were representing his clan darod card and at some point he had a meeting with sharmarke against sakiin to safe kursiga beesha iyo dacaayada throughout somalia and diaspora

But the two traditional powers were abgaal backed by ethiopia and mj backed by the UAE

there was sheikh sharif as the third until the last night. i had clashes with my abgaal friends so i was PMing one of them instead of posting it publically. i knew warubul kacba farmajo had that night 70 votes. he had before 37. sharif had 80 before that night. this group is led by murursade, their mps were paid to by fahad each $20,000 plus getting the PM post. there picks with farmajo waiting the second round is there

5 murusade has voted for farmajo vs 13 mx but they had a party. the karanle guy has been appointed now the new ethiopian ambadsador
https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/ ... e=592D7544

khayre and farmajo were together secretly bc the westreners dislike farmajo so if he appoints their guy +his popularity-farmajo- they see this will revive the momentum that was lost under garguurte

khayre and Gargure had business via SOMA OIL and GAS not political relations, he tried to appoint for IGAD secratery so he was returning the favor to him(this is the part they r mistaken him for dj)

who defended khayre against the UNMG? shulman rogers hired by abdi aziz amalow garguurtes abdalla samatalis relatives. hawadle minister will be abdi osman(abdi rahman osman haji dahir he is abdalle their relative, Garguurtes new abdirizaq after ugas hassan blocked the latter

even Iran has funded Farmajo via other guys and this is the reason why saudi invited him not just bc of ictisam and gelle. saudiga Farmajo waxay ku dhaheen we have UAE reports that iran backs you hence why you against her

they signed for him $100m for salaries, mogadishu- kismayo highway, mogagishu-GLK highway, Mogadishu baydhabo highway to be fund by saudis we will call the chinese after the security...farmajos project for the next 4 years is ready now.

dadkaan waxaan soo dhameeyay waa somaliwayn oo waliba political islam ah.

[Voltage]

Thank you brother and I apologize if my tone was harsh. The point I agree with you is this; Farmaajo IS NOT a Marehan president. He IS NOT a Darod president. We should never think of any political leader President walaa Prime Minister walaa Speaker as any reer Hebel. For example, all of Digil and Mirifle were against Jawaari election so in is position he doesn't represent D&M. He represents Somalis. In that case, Marehan have 17 representatives (14 MPs and 3 Senators). He got 13 which means even if he had all of MX reps, he would not be Pres. What does Murusade have? Like 6? Just like MR didn't bring him, neither did Murusade or anything.

So we should take qabiils out of the picture and if the perception has been given MX think of him as MX president, you couldn't be more wrong. Honestly, many of us MX on Somalinet don't represent beesha Sade because beesha Sade wayba ka xishoodaan qabiil.

This govt gave hope to Somalis because they see someone who ran on anti-corruption and development. Aan u ducayno because they need to give hope to a wartorn country

p.s. I would caution about these Isaaq trying to Darodize Farmaajo more than anyone. They are in election season and nothing unites them more than Kacaan stuff, it's why they see Farmaajo election as godsend. Besides them and some Majerten hiding in the name of Darod, I haven't seen anyone try to tribalize Farmaajo.

[sahal80]

Thank you brother and I apologize if my tone was harsh. The point I agree with you is this; Farmaajo IS NOT a Marehan president. He IS NOT a Darod president. We should never think of any political leader President walaa Prime Minister walaa Speaker as any reer Hebel. For example, all of Digil and Mirifle were against Jawaari election so in is position he doesn't represent D&M. He represents Somalis. In that case, Marehan have 17 representatives (14 MPs and 3 Senators). He got 13 which means even if he had all of MX reps, he would not be Pres. What does Murusade have? Like 6? Just like MR didn't bring him, neither did Murusade or anything.

So we should take qabiils out of the picture and if the perception has been given MX think of him as MX president, you couldn't be more wrong. Honestly, many of us MX on Somalinet don't represent beesha Sade because beesha Sade wayba ka xishoodaan qabiil.

This govt gave hope to Somalis because they see someone who ran on anti-corruption and development. Aan u ducayno because they need to give hope to a wartorn country

p.s. I would caution about these Isaaq trying to Darodize Farmaajo more than anyone. They are in election season and nothing unites them more than Kacaan stuff, it's why they see Farmaajo election as godsend. Besides them and some Majerten hiding in the name of Darod, I haven't seen anyone try to tribalize Farmaajo.