UN, World Bank, IMF drawing lessons from Somaliland

[Maroodijex]

So it seems that Somaliland's unique approach to bottom up nation building on shoe-strings has fascinated many scholars.

I am amazed to read orginastions like UN, World Bank, IMF are using our lessons in places like South Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan, Central African Republic.

These include our unique form of governance, our conflict resolution mechanisms, our land dispute mechanism, our political party system. And obviously, the fact that Ina Egal gave away 80% of the budget to the clan melitia to win their support when it was needed most and used the other 20% to bribe the clan elders and clan chiefs for their loyalty. I was reading a link before which say, this simple act, has cemented the peace in Somaliland among clan and disarmed the clan militias. .

The world bank is proposing a similar "Buy the man with his gun" approach for Somalia (proper).

[X.Playa]

So cigaal who initiated the clan war is credit to solving it lol are you kidding me?

[abodu]

So cigaal who initiated the clan war is credit to solving it lol are you kidding me?

Cigaal laid the foundation of what is Somaliland today. Makes no sense to keep the habar war hanging on the neck of the late leader. Without Cigaal (and despite that ugly period in the history of Somaliland) I doubt SL would be what it is today.

The man was no Saint, but by God he was a visionary who deserve the title. ...The Father Of The Nation.

[X.Playa]

So cigaal who initiated the clan war is credit to solving it lol are you kidding me?

Cigaal laid the foundation of what is Somaliland today. Makes no sense to keep the habar war hanging on the neck of the late leader. Without Cigaal (and despite that ugly period in the history of Somaliland) I doubt SL would be what it is today.

The man was no Saint, but by God he was a visionary who deserve the title. ...The Father Of The Nation.

Sxb aniga indhaa faraa hayga galin. Iam old enough to remember his foul mouth and his Zubeeriya he intentionally caused the inner isaaq civil war with the help of Saleemaan Gaal. When the h.j defected from his alliance and made peace with the h.y cigaal gave up the war.

He didn't lay no foundation of anything he came back from Xamar to a liberated country he never joined the Isaaq during the liberation movement and when he came back and was given the presidency first thing he did he created the disease that ailes isaaq till today.

If he was a genius as you claim him to be he wouldn't have been robbed and bitch slapped by the Daarood political mechaine in 1960s.

[abodu]

So cigaal who initiated the clan war is credit to solving it lol are you kidding me?

Cigaal laid the foundation of what is Somaliland today. Makes no sense to keep the habar war hanging on the neck of the late leader. Without Cigaal (and despite that ugly period in the history of Somaliland) I doubt SL would be what it is today.

The man was no Saint, but by God he was a visionary who deserve the title. ...The Father Of The Nation.

Sxb aniga indhaa faraa hayga galin. Iam old enough to remember his foul mouth and his Zubeeriya he intentionally caused the inner isaaq civil war with the help of Saleemaan Gaal. When the h.j defected from his alliance and made peace with the h.y cigaal gave up the war.

He didn't lay no foundation of anything he came back from Xamar to a liberated country he never joined the Isaaq during the liberation movement and when he came back and was given the presidency first thing he did he created the disease that ailes isaaq till today.

If he was a genius as you claim him to be he wouldn't have been robbed and bitch slapped by the Daarood political mechaine in 1960s.

There is no indho faro ka galin and as you said, "inner isaq civil war". Sxb laba meel ma wada galin kartid. MSB marka la soo hadal qaado, burbukii hargeysa uu u geystey baan xasuusta.....Cigaalna wuxuu I xasuusiya wuxuu "Garxajist u geystey".

The habar war of the 90s was sad incident between brothers. And certainly not fit for an isaq to kick up dust on a general forum. Why dwell on the past and misdeeds of your fellow clansman when there are bigger fish to fry? What benefit will come out of revisiting the past, especially in the current climate of habar habar political parties and not to mention the new Somslia president and his views in regards to the crimes his uncle committed. This is exactly what shisheeye love the most. It's music to the ears and the very reason why most Daarood/none Isaq like to sing....'garxajist/hy are the only isaq who still care for that silly notion called, "somalinimo'.

I know you are historian aan indhaha faraha laga galin karin.. but as a historian you have to bear certain responsibility. The question is not whether what you stated has any merit, but rather, what benefit will come out if it.

[X.Playa]

Don't play that card we can't allow revisionism of history and in one hand say cigaal was only great man but as soon as somebody call you on it , you switch the goal post into oh lets forget the civil war. Then don't praise such divisive character as cigaal if you want unity.

And by the way he didn't do shit he waged war and we waged war and he held his habar awal land we held the h.y land.

[abodu]

So basically you speak of Cigaal and MSB in the same tone.

[original dervish]

Cigal aun was the best leader iidoor ever had.

[X.Playa]

So basically you speak of Cigaal and MSB in the same tone.

Afweyne was extremist pro daaroodism . Cigaal wasn't even pro Isaaq he was a divisive sub clannish to the lowest level. Sheekadisuba habar awal ma dhaafi jirin. He only created one province and that was for his ciise muuse he is the man who began the divisive sub clannish politics of tribal province that plagued SL now..

[original dervish]

He saved s/l from descending into southern style warlordism.....he won the war and established the rule of law.
Cigal aun also made peace between the clans....returning hj to Burco.

[Maroodijex]

I don't normally agree with the above Qurjiile but this time I do.

President Tuur led the most technocratic government ever. But his biggest problem was communication. He was not only unable articulate his achievements but he was completely silent. This is why you will never see Tuur giving speech, he was the kind of guy who will roll his sleeves and get to work. But it doesn't matter if you have lifted mountains if you can't communicate your achievement.

Whereas, Cigaal was the opposite. He led a corrupt and inept government, but he was able to articulate and explain why to the people. He was a gifted orator and negotiator. He introduced this ku-jiq-sii politics of removing a minister only to bring his cousin to replace him. Instead of the big clans fighting, he let the subsubsub clans fight each other in local politics - there is an old English saying "All politics is local". This allowed him to focus on the big picture and slowly stirred the ship to where we are today, stable democratic state.

[X.Playa]

I don't normally agree with the above Qurjiile but this time I do.

President Tuur led the most technocratic government ever. But his biggest problem was communication. He was not only unable articulate his achievements but he was completely silent. This is why you will never see Tuur giving speech, he was the kind of guy who will roll his sleeves and get to work. But it doesn't matter if you have lifted mountains if you can't communicate your achievement.

Whereas, Cigaal was the opposite. He led a corrupt and inept government, but he was able to articulate and explain why to the people. He was a gifted orator and negotiator. He introduced this ku-jiq-sii politics of removing a minister only to bring his cousin to replace him. Instead of the big clans fighting, he let the subsubsub clans fight each other in local politics - there is an old English saying "All politics is local". This allowed him to focus on the big picture and slowly stirred the ship to where we are today, stable democratic state.

Maryo Alool narrative only his death saved SL from a civil war.