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su'aal: what language(s) do you speak?

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hello friends,

this morning i got an e-mail from a young somali woman, and she asked me, "walaalo, luuqadee baa ku hadashaa?"

of course, immediately i knew she is from the north, as someone from the south wouldn't say "walaalo" :) and so, i replied to her, "dee af soomaali baa ku hadlaa, huuno!"

the question reminded me of something i had written several years ago (i'm attaching below) in one of my books, and i ask you the same: what language(s) do you speak?

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p.s. here is the text from the book:

I belong to a group of Somalis who speak a language we call “Af Maxaa Tiri.” It is true that those of us who natively speak this language do look similar, and predominantly share the same faith, and have the same language, of course. In terms of our looks, for example, we are Cushitic people and therefore look similar to other Cushitic peoples in other parts of Africa such as those in Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan and Egypt.

It is also true that those of us of the “Af Maxaa Tiri” camp have had the privilege to dominate the cultural dialogue, both at home and at abroad. The majority of Somali entertainers, for example, are of this group. Popular Somali faces like supermodel Iman, author Nuruddin Farah, and actor Barkhad Abdi are all from this group.

It is also true that until 1991, when the government of Mohamed Siad Barre was ousted out of Mogadishu, that that camp had dominated the political spectrum as well. For example, all of the presidents in recent history have been the “Af Maxaa Tiri” people.

But we are not the only Somalis.

People will tell you that Af Maxaa Tiri and Af Maay Maay are the same language but different dialects.

That is not true.

The Waqooyi and Koonfur dialects are dialects of the same language, both belonging to the Af Maxaa Tiri, but Af Maay Maay is a different language. I can understand the Waqooyi, or northern, dialect, even though I was raised in the south and speak the Koonfur dialect.

When I listen to Somali singer Daleys sing in Af Maay Maay, which she does beautifully, I don’t understand much of it. Despite growing up just 250 kilometers, or 155 miles, away from Baidhabo, the largest city where Af Maay Maay is spoken widely, I don’t understand it.

Of course, there are also other languages like Af Tuni, Af Reer Xamar, Af Mushunguli, Af Garre, Af Barawaani, Af Baajuun, and many others and none of which I understand fully. I say “fully” because I’m a product of Mogadishu in the 1980s, and therefore I grew up around children who spoke some of these languages. I grew up in a system where once in a great while you would hear on television a song, or perhaps watch a scene, or a small break from the mainstream language.
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Af maay is the authentic Somali imo
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I am from north somalia
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Very good post. I enjoy things like this.

I am also glad you know the difference between Somali dialects and different languages.

All of the things you said a valid points. Makes me happy when I see a Somali that knows his things.

In my own opinion and based on my own researches, I have concluded that Maay speakers are assimilated Oromo (two groups) and thus they speak hybrid Somali-Afaan Oromo.

By two groups I mean the Digil are completely different group to Mirifle who most likely have their roots in the Borana group of Oromo.

The Digil were most likely agriculturalist Oromo like the Warday who came into conducts with Bantu groups.

The two were assimilated different times with Mirifle joining Somalism before Digil and Warday.

They are adopted groups who since intermarried with the dominant proper Somali (Soomaal) where as they were the Sab hence sub groups.

All assimilated groups were in the Sab category.
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brawler99, you say that "Af maay is the authentic Somali"...

i have heard similar claims in the past. of course, it is true that af maay has a lot more things in common with other languages of the area (afar, for example, as awrastaale noted), whereas af maxaa tiri has more things in common with languages of arabia and foreign ones (like italian and english).

that may be a valid point.

however, i wouldn't say af maay is any more authentic than, say, af baajuun, for example, which also has a lot of commonalities with other languages of the area (like swahili, other east african languages like dhuluo, luhya, and even kikuyu, etc).

finally, i wouldn't discount af maxaa tiri as a less authentic langauge. after all, it is the language of the people whom the egyptians had met and had called the "beginning of the perfect order" thousands of years ago in northern part of the somali, and whose lands are adorned with cave paintings that are just as old if not older.

in other words, there isn't a language that is more "authentic" than this, that, or the other. instead, language is a natural experience that evolves with its time.
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awrastaale, that is an interesting viewpoint. the digil (such as tuni, garre, etc) are farmers who normally hang out in the same place, which explains why their languages are pretty intact. on the other hand, the mirifle, are nomads and their sub-clans of sideed and sagaal have had much more interaction with other groups of nomads, including the af maxaa tiri folks. at the same time, even some of the digl, such as garre, have their languages a lot more flexible, depending on the region. for example, i understand the af garre of northern kenya much more than the af garre of shabelle, although as i have noted i grew up not far from the shabelle. it shows you the influence of space and time on language. it's also true that the folks of mudug have a better understanding of the waqooyi dialect than, say, the folks of jubadda hoose.
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AFDHERE AKA XPLAYA

u r very mysterious creature. lol
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AwRastaale wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:47 pm Very good post. I enjoy things like this.

I am also glad you know the difference between Somali dialects and different languages.

All of the things you said a valid points. Makes me happy when I see a Somali that knows his things.

In my own opinion and based on my own researches, I have concluded that Maay speakers are assimilated Oromo (two groups) and thus they speak hybrid Somali-Afaan Oromo.

By two groups I mean the Digil are completely different group to Mirifle who most likely have their roots in the Borana group of Oromo.

The Digil were most likely agriculturalist Oromo like the Warday who came into conducts with Bantu groups.

The two were assimilated different times with Mirifle joining Somalism before Digil and Warday.

They are adopted groups who since intermarried with the dominant proper Somali (Soomaal) where as they were the Sab hence sub groups.

All assimilated groups were in the Sab category.
What kind of bullcrap is this? Kulaha maay speakers are assimilated oromos lol. Like i said earlier Af maay is the more authentic somali than af maxaa tiri especially the northern gay ass dialect.
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Somali proper migrated from the north and expanded south first then western assimilating tribes along their path.

Rahanweyn is an old Oromos who since inter-married and became hybrid.

And the standard Somali in books, dictionaries, music and art is from north.

You should read a little and try to find an answer foe all the young Rahanweyn/Garre who ask about their origins because they know Somalistan makes no sense.

No one understands you but from Ras Kabone to Tadjourah people understand proper Somali. Foreigners learn proper Somali.

People call you eelay if you speak May may even when your not Eelay subclan.

Btw Eelay have Oromo culture.
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afdhere wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2017 7:14 am People will tell you that Af Maxaa Tiri and Af Maay Maay are the same language but different dialects.

That is not true.

The Waqooyi and Koonfur dialects are dialects of the same language, both belonging to the Af Maxaa Tiri, but Af Maay Maay is a different language. I can understand the Waqooyi, or northern, dialect, even though I was raised in the south and speak the Koonfur dialect.
The reer Waqooyi and Reer konfuur have different accents, not dialects!

The only noticeable difference in their speaking is the pronunciation of words, all other forms of language are consistent, grammar, vocabulary etc. Hence their accents of the Somali dialect of 'Af Maxa tiri'.

However, the 'Af MayMay' and 'Af Maxa tiri' are dialects of Somali language. Although, the two dialects differ hugely, still it's relatively easy for a native speaker of either language to learn the other.
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Brawler99 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:50 am
AwRastaale wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:47 pm Very good post. I enjoy things like this.

I am also glad you know the difference between Somali dialects and different languages.

All of the things you said a valid points. Makes me happy when I see a Somali that knows his things.

In my own opinion and based on my own researches, I have concluded that Maay speakers are assimilated Oromo (two groups) and thus they speak hybrid Somali-Afaan Oromo.

By two groups I mean the Digil are completely different group to Mirifle who most likely have their roots in the Borana group of Oromo.

The Digil were most likely agriculturalist Oromo like the Warday who came into conducts with Bantu groups.

The two were assimilated different times with Mirifle joining Somalism before Digil and Warday.

They are adopted groups who since intermarried with the dominant proper Somali (Soomaal) where as they were the Sab hence sub groups.

All assimilated groups were in the Sab category.
What kind of bullcrap is this? Kulaha maay speakers are assimilated oromos lol. Like i said earlier Af maay is the more authentic somali than af maxaa tiri especially the northern gay ass dialect.
It is not bullcrap it's the truth..Somali is from the north and the southerners are assimilated. Nobody understands their language or their culture sometimes we even have difficulties understanding their religion as it is mixed with some mythology beliefs..
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whitehartlane wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 5:31 pm
Brawler99 wrote: Mon Apr 03, 2017 11:50 am
AwRastaale wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:47 pm Very good post. I enjoy things like this.

I am also glad you know the difference between Somali dialects and different languages.

All of the things you said a valid points. Makes me happy when I see a Somali that knows his things.

In my own opinion and based on my own researches, I have concluded that Maay speakers are assimilated Oromo (two groups) and thus they speak hybrid Somali-Afaan Oromo.

By two groups I mean the Digil are completely different group to Mirifle who most likely have their roots in the Borana group of Oromo.

The Digil were most likely agriculturalist Oromo like the Warday who came into conducts with Bantu groups.

The two were assimilated different times with Mirifle joining Somalism before Digil and Warday.

They are adopted groups who since intermarried with the dominant proper Somali (Soomaal) where as they were the Sab hence sub groups.

All assimilated groups were in the Sab category.
What kind of bullcrap is this? Kulaha maay speakers are assimilated oromos lol. Like i said earlier Af maay is the more authentic somali than af maxaa tiri especially the northern gay ass dialect.
It is not bullcrap it's the truth..Somali is from the north and the southerners are assimilated. Nobody understands their language or their culture sometimes we even have difficulties understanding their religion as it is mixed with some mythology beliefs..
:russ: "Nobody understands their language or their culture" That's because you're probably not a f-king southern you idiotic nigger. "Somalis is from the north and the southerners are assimilated" lol again did you just pull that shit out of your f-king ass? Show some proof if Somalis are from the north and if southerners are assimilated.
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You know what i think these Northerners are actually fake, they can't even pronounce "xarig" without causing cardiac arrest in their mouths..

All i know is that we "those that are not mainstream Northerners and not mainstream southerners" can swing all sides.. so why don't you extreme southerners and you bloody extreme Northerners Duke it email us the results and we recognise the winners as the official trendsetters..In return we would like to be the CEO or the head director of that establishment..
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basra!!! so nice to see you :) i see you're at it!
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