The "Somalis and Ethiopians are mixed" video

[DaacasBiyo]

I recently called that video a lie and pointed out the fact that it's got over 80% dislikes. The author Awale obviously didn't like that and responded furiously by insulting me and calling me names, I did not mind that because I've read him call people who respond to his video the same thing.
Mind you I have no problem with his data but I have a problem with him overreaching and painting Somalis as mixed when we know the 'mix' is ancient and it's from the Levant. What Awale is doing in the video is painting a picture of the Somalis as mixed along side the Amhara and Tygarians using a picture map of West-Eurasia that extends all the way to North Europe when in fact that West-Eurasia picture is wrong and that quiet a lot of the Amhara and Tygarians mix is a lot younger then the Somalis mix, as young as 2000 years old.

Listen don't get me wrong, I am an Afrocentric Somali and I think the Somali people are related to 2 of the greatest Civilisations the world has seen that is Kemet (Egypte) and Sumer(Mesopotamia) through our E-V32 and T-M70 and that our history and genealogy is as old as the early humans but from reading Awale I get the sense that he does not really like the African side of the Somalis and that he's bending the truth to keep us in the old Arabian narrative when his own data says that the pre-historic Somali autosomal dna is of Natufians, Neolithic Levantines and Anatolians. Some other oddies I also found with his conversion is that when he's demeaning you he also just blatantly makes stuff up on you, quite odd.

So I just wanted to know if anyone here has had a chat with this young fellow and what was their experience

You can read my conversation with him here - change Top comments to Newest first and my profile name is keno kay





Here's his West-Eurasian picture, straight from his blog
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/--NraFJdzfnk/ ... ia%2B2.png

Here's the Levant picture, from wikipedia
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ion%29.png


Here's a link where they talk about 'Selam' the oldest fossils found, even older than Lucy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selam_(Australopithecus)

Here's a map of where it was found

[Saar]

Welcome to Somalinet, great thread!

quiet as it keept a lot of the Amhara and Tygarians mix is a lot younger then the Somalis mix, as young as 2000 years old.

Ive always known this. They look straight up mixed talking about we are the oldest people lol.

I'm 100% in agreement with you but can you do me a favor and explain the following to me in detail.

Somali and I think the Somali people are related to 2 of the greatest Civilisations the world has seen that is Kemet (Egypte) and Sumer(Mesopotamia) through our E-V32 and T-M70

[DaacasBiyo]

Welcome to Somalinet, great thread!

Thanks, I must say i am impressed, 286 posts already on ur tab

Ive always known this. They look straight up mixed talking about we are the oldest people lol.

Yeah, a lot of their gene flow comes from Yemen, in fact it was so important that it completely changed their langue from cushitic to semitic.
But in the video he's blending that fact with the Somali ancient dna and that makes people think that the Somalis are mixed with Arabs too.

I'm 100% in agreement with you but can you do me a favor and explain the following to me in detail.

Somali and I think the Somali people are related to 2 of the greatest Civilisations the world has seen that is Kemet (Egypte) and Sumer(Mesopotamia) through our E-V32 and T-M70

They found that almost half the Somali ancient dna is from the Levant (Mesopotamia) and the other half is from North Africa (Egypt). So basically the people from the Levant migrated to North Africa and obviously mated/intermarried with locals and then their descends later on migrated down to the Horn and created the Somali people. This mixing was probably around 7000 years ago, then around 4000 the Egyptian and Mesopotamian Civilisations start to appear.

Awale didn't like the fact that I said his video has over 80% dislikes and the majorite of those who downvoted his video are Somalis I know a few who did that, even his friends don't like the fact that he bends the facts.
Check out how his friend Gihanga Rwanda calls him out for using the West-Eurasia term, which by the way includes all Arabs countries
https://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016 ... -horn.html

So basically he's telling him the dna geographical location of the Somalis is in the Levant as the data says but Awale replies it's just semantic and he preferes to use the Larger term West-Eurasian which goes all the way up to North Europe and down to Yemen. It's completely ridiculous. He's just trying to confuse people like in his video.

[Basra-]

How is it that Somalis are 38% Euroasian ancestry and Trigray and Amharan are 50%??? That is half of the DNA!! And the oromos more Euroasian than us at 41%???


This is fishy!

[DaacasBiyo]

How is it that Somalis are 38% Euroasian ancestry and Trigray and Amharan are 50%??? That is half of the DNA!! And the oromos more Euroasian than us at 41%???


This is fishy!

Basra it's not fishy it's what their dna shows, also pretty much the 38% of the Somalis dna is very old whereas a big chuck of the Tigrayans and Amhara dna is young as their ancestors came from Yemen around 2k yrs ago.

[GIJaamac]

Ethiopians are mixed ? Yes. You can see that in their dna results and on their phenotype. Majority of them look like mixed race people. Somali lamagoodles are mixed ? No. Almost all lamagoodles on 23andme score over 95% Subsaharan african. So how can the second darkest ethnicity after south sudanese be mixed race when it doesn't show up on their dna results and facial features. Stop hating yourself you ugly lamagoodles.

[DaacasBiyo]

Ethiopians are mixed ? Yes. You can see that in their dna results and on their phenotype. Majority of them look like mixed race people. Somali lamagoodles are mixed ? No. Almost all lamagoodles on 23andme score over 95% Subsaharan african. So how can the second darkest ethnicity after south sudanese be mixed race when it doesn't show up on their dna results and facial features. Stop hating yourself you ugly lamagoodles.

This study was an autosomal test for all Somalis and not for a particular subgroup also the fact that you're saying the lamagoodles are 95% subsahara and that they are the second darkest ethnicity after the south sudanese does not make them non-Somalis, i bet their phenotype is not the same as the south sudanese though. Anyways, my point about the video was that he was bending the facts and sometimes would just make his own interpretations, I even read on his blog that he sometimes even rejects real scientific publications in favor of his own interpretation. I don't know about his credentials but I would not take his views at face value.

This is his quote: I often wonder though how some of these studies make it onto journals or how they were made by professionals.

https://anthromadness.blogspot.ca/2014/ ... farce.html

[Saar]

Welcome to Somalinet, great thread!

Thanks, I must say i am impressed, 286 posts already on ur tab

Ive always known this. They look straight up mixed talking about we are the oldest people lol.

Yeah, a lot of their gene flow comes from Yemen, in fact it was so important that it completely changed their langue from cushitic to semitic.
But in the video he's blending that fact with the Somali ancient dna and that makes people think that the Somalis are mixed with Arabs too.

I'm 100% in agreement with you but can you do me a favor and explain the following to me in detail.

Somali and I think the Somali people are related to 2 of the greatest Civilisations the world has seen that is Kemet (Egypte) and Sumer(Mesopotamia) through our E-V32 and T-M70

They found that almost half the Somali ancient dna is from the Levant (Mesopotamia) and the other half is from North Africa (Egypt). So basically the people from the Levant migrated to North Africa and obviously mated/intermarried with locals and then their descends later on migrated down to the Horn and created the Somali people. This mixing was probably around 7000 years ago, then around 4000 the Egyptian and Mesopotamian Civilisations start to appear.

Awale didn't like the fact that I said his video has over 80% dislikes and the majorite of those who downvoted his video are Somalis I know a few who did that, even his friends don't like the fact that he bends the facts.
Check out how his friend Gihanga Rwanda calls him out for using the West-Eurasia term, which by the way includes all Arabs countries
https://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2016 ... -horn.html

So basically he's telling him the dna geographical location of the Somalis is in the Levant as the data says but Awale replies it's just semantic and he preferes to use the Larger term West-Eurasian which goes all the way up to North Europe and down to Yemen. It's completely ridiculous. He's just trying to confuse people like in his video.

I see your point but how accurate are these dna tests and can we trust such an endeavor? History is written by the victor and africa and africans history has been supplanted and hidden for so long that i have trust issues now.

What if these old babylonians who intermixed with the Egyptian locals were actually coopered, brown colored people who shared the same traditions as the Egyptians? Ancient Egyptian rule extended all the way to mesopotamia that's why mesopotamian gods are based on Ancient Egyptian gods. There is a concerted effort to undermine or hide the history of Africans so im quick to dismiss anything that takes us out of africa.

I dont think we are a the product of Ancient Egyptians and these levant people unless these levant people were also cushittic.

Awale guy is completely off tho.

[Saar]

How is it that Somalis are 38% Euroasian ancestry and Trigray and Amharan are 50%??? That is half of the DNA!! And the oromos more Euroasian than us at 41%???


This is fishy!

Basra it's not fishy it's what their dna shows, also pretty much the 38% of the Somalis dna is very old whereas a big chuck of the Tigrayans and Amhara dna is young as their ancestors came from Yemen around 2k yrs ago.

so this 38% is old but only 2000 years older than the habesha semites of ethiopia? I think we are a lot older than that and definitely a lot older than the habesha semites.

[DaacasBiyo]

I see your point but how accurate are these dna tests and can we trust such an endeavor? History is written by the victor and africa and africans history has been supplanted and hidden for so long that i have trust issues now.

We can't trust them, they control the data and the systems that process these data, also people don't know that their dna are being mined for potential cures that these corporations will eventually make Billions of dollars from like they made and are still making Billions of dollars from the HeLa cells.

What if these old babylonians who intermixed with the Egyptian locals were actually coopered, brown colored people who shared the same traditions as the Egyptians? Ancient Egyptian rule extended all the way to mesopotamia that's why mesopotamian gods are based on Ancient Egyptian gods. There is a concerted effort to undermine or hide the history of Africans so im quick to dismiss anything that takes us out of africa.

I think we can't dismiss the Mesopotamian people history, they were a great civilisation, in fact they developed the oldest writing system but it was just for accounting purposes and never rivaled the Egyptian system. Yes the Egyptians ruled that whole area, their rule even extended to southern Europe and yeah that whole Levant area is different from the rest of the continent, they tend to be more mixed and brown.

I dont think we are a the product of Ancient Egyptians and these levant people unless these levant people were also cushittic.

Awale guy is completely off tho.

The Levant people did not bring the Cushitic Afroasiatic language to us although Awale tends to believe so. The only reason the added the 'Asiatic' part is because of the freaking Arabic being used in the continent and some languages being derived from it such of the Amharic and Tigrinya, and also because they always want to tie African to Asia for obvious reasons. Cushitic languages such as the Somali or the Egyptian are native to African and do not come from the outside, in fact their Semitic languages come from us.

Linguistic and anthropological approach to Ancient Egyptian origin.

The origins of Egyptian ethnicity lay in the areas south of Egypt. The ancient Egyptian language belonged to the Afrasian family (also called Afroasiatic or, formerly, Hamito-Semitic). The speakers of the earliest Afrasian languages, according to recent studies, were a set of people whose lands between 15,000 and 13,000 B.C. stretched from Nubia in the west to far northern Somalia in the east. They supported themselves by gathering wild grains. The first elements of Egyptian culture were laid down two thousand years later, between 12,000 and 10,000 B.C., when some of these Afrasian communities expanded northward into Egypt, bringing with them a language directly ancestral to ancient Egyptian. They also introduced to Egypt the idea of using wild grains as food.

A new religion came with them as well. Its central tenet explains the often localized origins of later Egyptian gods: the earliest Afrasians were, properly speaking, neither monotheistic nor polytheistic. Instead, each local community, comprising a clan or a group of related clans, had its own distinct deity and centered its religious observances on that deity.


Christopher Ehret
Professor of History, University of California at Los Angeles

[DaacasBiyo]

so this 38% is old but only 2000 years older than the habesha semites of ethiopia? I think we are a lot older than that and definitely a lot older than the habesha semites.

No our mixing as I said above happened around 7000 years ago so we're way older by about 5000 years

[FarhanYare]

So much research has been dedicated to strenghten preconceived notions that we are genetically unique from rest Africa. Can you pass some of that time to me, i could do with a long sleep

[DaacasBiyo]

So much research has been dedicated to strenghten preconceived notions that we are genetically unique from rest Africa. Can you pass some of that time to me, i could do with a long sleep

Don't bother, you're already asleep just keep sleeping, and noone said we weren't mixed for your info.

[ZubeirAwal]

So we Wuz Kangs all this time?

[DaacasBiyo]

So we Wuz Kangs all this time?

Yup, we wuz kangs and we wuz skulls all the way up to Lucy but we definitely wuz not vampires.