Moral without religion and Religions without moral

[bareento]

Greeting mujahids and mujahidas,

In this blessed month of Ramadan lets continue to deepen our IMAN.
Today i come with a question : wats is the source of MORAL/MORALITY?
we cant say that its religion because atheists too got their moral which is sometimes superior to the ones of religious people.

R there differences between religious morality and non religious one?

Please debate courteously , please DO NOT USE THIS THREAD TO ATTACK ISLAM!

thank u

B.

[Saar]

DO NOT USE THIS THREAD TO ATTACK ISLAM!

[Asharite]

Greeting mujahids and mujahidas,

In this blessed month of Ramadan lets continue to deepen our IMAN.
Today i come with a question : wats is the source of MORAL/MORALITY?
we cant say that its religion because atheists too got their moral which is sometimes superior to the ones of religious people.

R there differences between religious morality and non religious one?

Please debate courteously , please DO NOT USE THIS THREAD TO ATTACK ISLAM!

thank u

B.

You should have defined morality first and foremost.

Morality is a set of principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

So, morality is actually a principal. The question would then be asked: Who sets the Principle?

Theists would argue that is God. Most do not deny that these sets of principles too have a natural disposition to the extent that, naturally, you know stealing is wrong, coveting with your neighbour's wife is wrong etc. All God does is codify the elements which would have otherwise have been differing over small issues/semantics etc.

The only case I've seen for Atheists is what they call 'Secular morality', although it raises more questions than it answers. Here is an answer by an atheist social scientist:

Western morality began with the enlightenment about 500 years ago. The enlightenment was the first time that Europeans started separating religion from morality. Through the last few centuries, Western Civilisation has developed a code of morality that is not dependent on any religion, from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, to the United Nations Charter, to the International Court of Justice, The Geneva Convention on War, and much more.

So, it goes to show that, even Atheism has become somewhat of a Religion in the sense that is considers certain principles 'holy' or 'sacred'. As is evident of the numerous Charters, Declarations and Laws that have no reference to God. Despite it's clearly Biblical origins

[HashIII]

Atheists would have you believe that morality has nothing to do with religion. Unfortunately for them, there are many atheists on the internet and in real life that have no issue with incest between two consenting adults provided they have no intention of having kids. They say if it doesn't cause any harm why should it be outlawed.

I'm glad that atheism isn't big outside of the West. It destroys societies.

[Saar]

The most immoral person you will meet will most likely be a religious person driven by social determinism which they often confuse for moral choice. Ask yourself this,what drives your actions? Are they driven by a religious, social, historical, economic process? Or your own free will? When a muslim on snet attacks and calls me every name under the sun, is their action socially determined or did they choose to do this action all on their own ? What are the forces that are driving your moral choices?

Most religious people on snet have been conditioned and subdued mentally and emotionally early on by their parents and by society that they never develop the ability to use their own mind. These people are encouraged to put their trust in an entity outside of them and never acknowledge their true will nor do they let their own intuition guide them. As a non believer, i trust myself first and foremost which is why i believe in self rule and governance. When you don't have to be told what to do by "god" and follow your own moral compass you behave better because you dont want to go against your nature and disappoint yourself. You trust yourself to do right. Compare this to a religious person like basra who has relinquished all responsibility from herself and placed it in a "higher authority" how do you trust this this person to do right? The only reason why she even attempts to do right is out of fear of admonishment from her "god". This person doesnt even trust her own true will to make a moral choice all on her own. This is why religious people tend to be a shitty human beings.

[Basra-]

bareeto really?


In Islam--in Quran --Allaah saw said those who go astray will be blind to their bad deeds. Their hearts will be hardened. You may follow the man morality to the T--but Allaah's morality is more merciful. ie the consumption of alcohol is considered in ISLAM as haram. Yet--a none religious "Athiest" like u or Saar will consume alcohol thousand times. And then? Has alcohol served u right in the past? How many hang overs did u wake up to and regret it? Fornication is another. U will get STDS etc etc The atheist morals sees no problem sleeping around as long as couple consent to it. Religion, such Islam ensures you perform a prescribed morality to help YOU, and not to help your God. Allaahu Akbaar

[Saar]

bareeto really?


In Islam--in Quran --Allaah saw said those who go astray will be blind to their bad deeds. Their hearts will be hardened. You may follow the man morality to the T--but Allaah's morality is more merciful. ie the consumption of alcohol is considered in ISLAM as haram. Yet--a none religious "Athiest" like u or Saar will consume alcohol thousand times. And then? Has alcohol served u right in the past? How many hang overs did u wake up to and regret it? Fornication is another. U will get STDS etc etc The atheist morals sees no problem sleeping around as long as couple consent to it. Religion, such Islam ensures you perform a prescribed morality to help YOU, and not to help your God. Allaahu Akbaar

And you're arab god Revealed

And they have thereof no knowledge. They follow not except ASSumption, and indeed, ASSumption avails not against the truth at all.

Sura an najm

Stop making baseless assumption basra, im neither an atheist or a fornicator nor do i drink alcohol.

I hope you know your fast is broken for lying

[Basra-]

Saar

How can u NOT be an atheist with your flagrant insult on God and the religion of Islam? How? Can u explain?

[BestPlaya]

Saar would you mind to tell ME your religion. I'm just curious.Otherwise good debators do always avoid baseless ,vague and generalized crictism when they're engaging in debate.Better you do trolling in qabiil and politics (which is not good either) than attacking lslam with your evil and profane rants.


Ps Morality is known as AKHLAAQ in Arabic.lt refers to good manners.For more info, let the cheikhs step in..........

[Basra-]

Bestplaya

U n i both know u r also saar. N also xplaya

[Twist]

The most immoral person you will meet will most likely be a religious person driven by social determinism which they often confuse for moral choice. Ask yourself this,what drives your actions? Are they driven by a religious, social, historical, economic process? Or your own free will? When a muslim on snet attacks and calls me every name under the sun, is their action socially determined or did they choose to do this action all on their own ? What are the forces that are driving your moral choices?

Most religious people on snet have been conditioned and subdued mentally and emotionally early on by their parents and by society that they never develop the ability to use their own mind. These people are encouraged to put their trust in an entity outside of them and never acknowledge their true will nor do they let their own intuition guide them. As a non believer, i trust myself first and foremost which is why i believe in self rule and governance. When you don't have to be told what to do by "god" and follow your own moral compass you behave better because you dont want to go against your nature and disappoint yourself. You trust yourself to do right. Compare this to a religious person like basra who has relinquished all responsibility from herself and placed it in a "higher authority" how do you trust this this person to do right? The only reason why she even attempts to do right is out of fear of admonishment from her "god". This person doesnt even trust her own true will to make a moral choice all on her own. This is why religious people tend to be a shitty human beings.

Bravo! Well said, mate! You don't have to be religious to have morals. I personally know countless "religious" Somalis who do all kinds of immoral, unethical deeds all the time, and still have the audacity to believe they have higher morals than us, "infidels". If one needs religion to know the difference between right and wrong, then he/she is xoolo.

[Basra-]

twist if u followed islams moral of moderation u would not have eaten to epic fatness to a point of suicide lol one heart beat away to sleep apnia loooool

[Twist]

Lol! Basraay, did you lose some weight since the last time we talked? You know it's doable, right?

[Basra-]

I will pray for u twist. Its dangerous to be athiest and being fat. Remember hitchens?

[Basra-]

Fuley xaar weyne l[o[oo[oooool .