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Vagina surgery 'sought by girls as young as nine'
By Jean Mackenzie
Victoria Derbyshire programme
3 July 2017

Girls as young as nine are seeking surgery on their genitals because they are distressed by its appearance, the Victoria Derbyshire show has been told.
Dr Naomi Crouch, a leading adolescent gynaecologist, said she was concerned GPs were referring rising numbers of young girls who wanted an operation.
Labiaplasty, as the surgery is known, involves the lips of the vagina being shortened or reshaped.
The NHS says it should not be carried out on girls before they turn 18.
In 2015-16, more than 200 girls under 18 had labiaplasty on the NHS. More than 150 of the girls were under 15.
Some experts fear that pornography and images viewed through social media are leading young girls to have unrealistic perceptions of how their genitals should look.
'Very upsetting'
Dr Crouch, who chairs the British Society for Paediatric and Adolescent Gynaecology, said in her work for the NHS she was yet to see a girl who needed the operation.
"Girls will sometimes come out with comments like, 'I just hate it, I just want it removed,' and for a girl to feel that way about any part of her body - especially a part that's intimate - is very upsetting."

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Anna - not her real name - considered having labiaplasty from the age of 14.
"I just picked up from somewhere that it wasn't neat enough or tidy enough and I think I wanted it to be smaller.
"People around me were watching porn and I just had this idea that it should be symmetrical and not sticking out.
"I thought that was what everyone else looked like, because I hadn't seen any normal everyday [images] before then.
"I remember thinking, 'If there's surgery for it, then clearly I'm not the only one who wants this done, and maybe it won't be that big a deal.'."
She later decided not to pursue having an operation.
"I'm totally glad I didn't get it done. I didn't need it. I look totally normal. Completely and utterly normal."
Paquita de Zulueta, a GP for more than 30 years, said it was only in the past few years that girls had started coming to her with concerns over the appearance of their labia.
"I'm seeing young girls around 11, 12, 13 thinking there's something wrong with their vulva - that they're the wrong shape, the wrong size, and really expressing almost disgust.
"Their perception is that the inner lips should be invisible, almost like a Barbie, but the reality is that there is a huge variation. It's very normal for the lips to protrude."


She blames the unrealistic images girls are being exposed to through pornography and social media.
"There isn't enough education and it should start really quite young, explaining that there is a range and that - just as we all look different in our faces - we all look different down there, and that's OK."
NHS England said it did not carry out the operation for cosmetic reasons, only for clinical conditions.
For the past few years clinical commissioning groups have been able to refer only patients who are experiencing physical pain or emotional distress.
But Dr De Zulueta says some girls know they need to overstate their physical symptoms to get the surgery.
"There is awareness that they're more likely to get the operation if they say it's interfering with sex, with sport, they feel that will tick that box."


'Parallels with FGM'


Dr Crouch believes labiaplasty should be given only to girls who have a medical abnormality.
"I find it very hard to believe there are 150 girls with a medical abnormality which means they needed an operation on their labia," she said.
She added there were uncomfortable parallels between this surgery and female genital mutilation (FGM), which is illegal in the UK.
"The law says we shouldn't perform these operations on developing bodies for cultural reasons. Current Western culture is to have very small lips, tucked inside. I see this as the same thing".
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Dr Gail Busby, lead adolescent gynaecologist at St Mary's Hospital, says it is important for girls and their parents to remember:
In adolescence, the labia are still growing - with the inner lips growing first - so it is normal for them to appear prominent. Girls should not compare themselves to adult women
By age 18, the outer lips will have grown. If girls can hold off seeking an operation until adulthood, their genitals' appearance will have changed - removing the initial reason for wanting surgery
Surgery will probably lead to scarring and - as the labia are still developing - could lead to it becoming asymmetrical in adulthood
Do not feel alone. Half the girls in your class will be in the same position, it is a normal part of development - it is just that no-one talks about it openly
If parents wish to allay fears, take your daughter to a GP
In some instances, if there are deeper concerns regarding body image, it may help to create some coping strategies
Body image advice
The majority of labiaplasties are done by private cosmetic surgeons on women over 18.
The industry has been criticised for normalising the procedure.


Plastic surgeon Miles Berry says labiaplasty can improve women's self-esteem
Plastic surgeon Miles Berry defended the surgery, saying it could improve women's lives.
"It can change people fundamentally, the feelings they have about themselves, their confidence and self-esteem.
"I have seen patients aged between 16 and 21 who have never had a boyfriend because they are so concerned about this."
The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists said the operation should not be performed until a girl had finished developing, after the age of 18.
Watch the Victoria Derbyshire programme on weekdays between 09:00 and 11:00 on BBC Two and the BBC News Channel.
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u'r LoveandLight sister?
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Somali scholars and wadaads should issue a fatwa banning FGM. Anyone violating it should be subject to a harsh punishment, including corporal.
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I wish to thank Daanyeer for informing the Somali people about Male Genital Mutilation long before I started speaking about this INHUMANITY.

Cosmetic surgeons who perform labiaplasties on women do it when the girls develop fully after age 18.

Most Somali girls are tortured and mutilated. Their bodies are not their own! The Somali people are a savage race!

Why won't the Criminals-in-White allow babies and young boys to develop fully, and allow men to make an informed decision.
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paperino wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:39 am Somali scholars and wadaads should issue a fatwa banning FGM. Anyone violating it should be subject to a harsh punishment, including corporal.


There are firebrand scholars who advise their congregations to mutilate their daughters because "it is cleaner, and more honorable for the girls."

Religion is a mental illness! Many people are starting to realize that hundreds of millions of Muslims have been enslaved by torture and genital mutilaion of girls and boys.

Most Somali children have not had a normal childhood, free from abuse and torture. Remember, Cause and Effect.



Your blasted region of the Horn of Africa is going to hell in a Gaari gacan.
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paperino wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:39 am Somali scholars and wadaads should issue a fatwa banning FGM. Anyone violating it should be subject to a harsh punishment, including corporal.

paperino, labiaplasty is not FGM, this threat seems misleading like the other one where they're calling circumcision MGM.

FGM is a very serious issue where girls really die and equating labiaplasty or circumcision to FGM is disingenuous. Nobody dies from labiaplasty or circumcision, if u guys have real articles about how many people die because of circumcision and labiaplasty please post it, no Fake news though.
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DaacasBiyo wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:20 am
paperino wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:39 am Somali scholars and wadaads should issue a fatwa banning FGM. Anyone violating it should be subject to a harsh punishment, including corporal.

paperino, labiaplasty is not FGM, this threat seems misleading like the other one where they're calling circumcision MGM.

FGM is a very serious issue where girls really die and equating labiaplasty or circumcision to FGM is disingenuous. Nobody dies from labiaplasty or circumcision, if u guys have real articles about how many people die because of circumcision and labiaplasty please post it, no Fake news though.


I called circumcision Male Genital Mutilation. Don't trivialize the torture of babies and children. Many babies and children have died as a result of torture and mutilation.

Inform yourself! I have done a lot for the Somali people in this massive thread.


MGM (Male Genital Mutilation.)



https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 3#p4820953



http://nationalpost.com/g00/health/onta ... ogle.ca%2F




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LoveandLight wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:04 am
DaacasBiyo wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:20 am
paperino wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:39 am Somali scholars and wadaads should issue a fatwa banning FGM. Anyone violating it should be subject to a harsh punishment, including corporal.

paperino, labiaplasty is not FGM, this threat seems misleading like the other one where they're calling circumcision MGM.

FGM is a very serious issue where girls really die and equating labiaplasty or circumcision to FGM is disingenuous. Nobody dies from labiaplasty or circumcision, if u guys have real articles about how many people die because of circumcision and labiaplasty please post it, no Fake news though.


I called circumcision Male Genital Mutilation. Don't trivialize the torture of babies and children. Many babies and children have died as a result of torture and mutilation.

Inform yourself! I have done a lot for the Somali people in this massive thread.


MGM (Male Genital Mutilation.)



https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 3#p4820953



http://nationalpost.com/g00/health/onta ... ogle.ca%2F


I was talking about medical articles not newspapers. Also the issue of this baby was more about Toronto’s North York General Hospital wait time then the circumcision: “We … waited for care that could have saved his life, but that level of care never came,” says Ahmadi.

It's unfortunate but people die in hospitals from waiting too long or from medical malpractices and it's well documented but I don't see you calling for hospital bans. I would have much preferred if you gave that energy to informing people about the famine and the drought than this nonsense MGM.
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But the custom has a lot of benefits. Somali Xalimo will not be dh.ilo by choice but necessity ie u know---using a farah or gaining financial interest. If it is not circumcised, there will be sensational joy in the nasty act, and that's a double sin.
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Basra- wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:11 pm But the custom has a lot of benefits. Somali Xalimo will not be dh.ilo by choice but necessity ie u know---using a farah or gaining financial interest. If it is not circumcised, there will be sensational joy in the nasty act, and that's a double sin.
I can't believe a refined and educated woman who has lived in America for decades, immersed in and influenced by Western culture, would make excuse for such a dreadful and inhumane custom. :down:
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paperino wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:24 pm
Basra- wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:11 pm But the custom has a lot of benefits. Somali Xalimo will not be dh.ilo by choice but necessity ie u know---using a farah or gaining financial interest. If it is not circumcised, there will be sensational joy in the nasty act, and that's a double sin.
I can't believe a refined and educated woman who has lived in America for decades, immersed in and influenced by Western culture, would make excuse for such a dreadful and inhumane custom. :down:

I cant believe u thought of me in so glowing terms! :oops: :o :o
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DaacasBiyo wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:00 pm
LoveandLight wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:04 am
DaacasBiyo wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:20 am


paperino, labiaplasty is not FGM, this threat seems misleading like the other one where they're calling circumcision MGM.

FGM is a very serious issue where girls really die and equating labiaplasty or circumcision to FGM is disingenuous. Nobody dies from labiaplasty or circumcision, if u guys have real articles about how many people die because of circumcision and labiaplasty please post it, no Fake news though.


I called circumcision Male Genital Mutilation. Don't trivialize the torture of babies and children. Many babies and children have died as a result of torture and mutilation.

Inform yourself! I have done a lot for the Somali people in this massive thread.


MGM (Male Genital Mutilation)


https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 3#p4820953



http://nationalpost.com/g00/health/onta ... ogle.ca%2F


I was talking about medical articles not newspapers. Also the issue of this baby was more about Toronto’s North York General Hospital wait time then the circumcision: “We … waited for care that could have saved his life, but that level of care never came,” says Ahmadi.

It's unfortunate but people die in hospitals from waiting too long or from medical malpractices and it's well documented but I don't see you calling for hospital bans. I would have much preferred if you gave that energy to informing people about the famine and the drought than this nonsense MGM.


GloveandFight is starting to get angry! 'Malis of the Zoo would do well to inform themselves about Male Genital Mutilation.

Take a look at my massive thread!


MGM (Male Genital Mutilation.)



https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 8&t=355455


Medical articles regarding circumcision mean nothing to me! 96% of baby boys are tortured and mutilated, even newborns!

I don't give a fuck what you prefer. The drought and famine is nothing compared to the INHUMANITY inflicted on the Somali people. Mark my words I will save many babies! Torturing babies is not nonsense! Where is your heart?! Religion is a mental illness.

As I've said several times before less love leads to more violence. Sexual dysfunction has caused the Somali people to be one of the most psychotic, violent, and perverted races on our Flat Earth.
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"Let me see yours, and I'll let you see mine."
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Basra- wrote: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:11 pm But the custom has a lot of benefits. Somali Xalimo will not be dh.ilo by choice but necessity ie u know---using a farah or gaining financial interest. If it is not circumcised, there will be sensational joy in the nasty act, and that's a double sin.


Are you joking?
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