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America has the capability to bomb Iran back to the Stone age.

every US president in my life time has engaged in war, it will be war trust me, people are going to die in their thousands again.

Iran just launched a two stage SLV known as the Simorgh successfully today.



Now we await the unravelling of the Ghaem, Iran's most powerful ICBM/SLV to day. The dream of Hassan Tehrani Moghaddam, the father of the Iranian missile program, who died in an explosion, probably when testing the Ghaem. The Persians are cooking something good

The US getting out of the peace deal was always to be expected,
but the world doesnt revolve around what the US/Isreal wants.
This deal was all about Russia and China correcting the mistake they made when they allowed UN sanctions in the first place. Its all about legality the deal kills the UN sanctions, and there will never be any new UN sanctions. The US still has sanctions, and it was never expected for them to lift or keep them,
they are irrelevant.

US sanctions will weaken the economies of their european vassals, and cause massive disagreements between them, they may even grow some balls and say no to the US for the first time.
The treat of massive losses to their economy is nothing to laugh at, and the Europeans get all the pain.

paperino wrote: Thu Jul 27, 2017 10:37 pm America has the capability to bomb Iran back to the Stone age.

Sure but at what cost? Iran has air defenses so a no fly zone would be expensive and loss of jets. Iraq and Afghanistan governments also heavily rely on Iran.

The Rafida Iran is part of the Freemasonry world. There is no attack that will be waged on the venomous snake aka Rafida Iran from their Freemasonry Western brethren.

But in reality, everything is possible through the hukm of Allah(swt). And if the bombs start flying between Freemasonry West and Freemasonry Rafida Iran, hopefully they'll eliminate each other, insha'Allah.

gurey25 wrote: Fri Jul 28, 2017 12:29 pm The US getting out of the peace deal was always to be expected,
but the world doesnt revolve around what the US/Isreal wants.
This deal was all about Russia and China correcting the mistake they made when they allowed UN sanctions in the first place. Its all about legality the deal kills the UN sanctions, and there will never be any new UN sanctions. The US still has sanctions, and it was never expected for them to lift or keep them,
they are irrelevant.

US sanctions will weaken the economies of their European vassals, and cause massive disagreements between them, they may even grow some balls and say no to the US for the first time.
The treat of massive losses to their economy is nothing to laugh at, and the Europeans get all the pain.

The new sanctions bill against Russia, Iran and North Korea just passed Congress overwhemingly with only 2 Senators (Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders) voting no. Trump is signing it into law.

The Germans are PISSED about the Russian sanctions as it affects the gas pipeline they're going to build. The French have already said that the sanctions are illegal under international law.

It seems the US wants to force these countries to import American natural gas which is more expensive.

FAH1223 wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:12 pm Sure but at what cost? Iran has air defenses so a no fly zone would be expensive and loss of jets. Iraq and Afghanistan governments also heavily rely on Iran.

Air strikes could neutralize Iran's air defenses, and destroy its infrastructures. The price of losing several to tens jets would be worth. Afghanistan isn't heavily reliant on Iran, and even if it does, China or India can be alternatives. For Iraq, most of its revenues (selling oil) comes from the West, and was never dependent on Iran in any way before the invasion of Iraq. So, economically, Iran isn't indispensable to Afghanistan or Iraq.

This is what makes the B-2 stealth bomber so key to any American attack on Iran’s nuclear program. As Northrop Grumman, who makes the plane, explains, the B-2 is “a key component of the nation’s long-range strike arsenal, and one of the most survivable aircraft in the world.” Not only can it penetrate heavily defended areas, and elude sophisticated anti-air defense systems, but it boasts incredible range with the ability to fly “6,000 nautical miles unrefueled and 10,000 nautical miles with just one aerial refueling.”

The B-2 stealth bomber can also carry an extensive payload, and deliver precision strikes, both of which would be necessary to ensure the U.S. destroyed the nuclear facilities in as few waves of attacks as possible. As Northrup again explains, each B-2 can “carry more than 20 tons of conventional and nuclear ordnance and deliver it precisely under any weather conditions.”
http://scout.com/military/warrior/Artic ... -105339161

paperino wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 9:57 pm

FAH1223 wrote: Sat Jul 29, 2017 2:12 pm Sure but at what cost? Iran has air defenses so a no fly zone would be expensive and loss of jets. Iraq and Afghanistan governments also heavily rely on Iran.

Air strikes could neutralize Iran's air defenses, and destroy its infrastructures. The price of losing several to tens jets would be worth. Afghanistan isn't heavily reliant on Iran, and even if it does, China or India can be alternatives. For Iraq, most of its revenues (selling oil) comes from the West, and was never dependent on Iran in any way before the invasion of Iraq. So, economically, Iran isn't indispensable to Afghanistan or Iraq.

This is what makes the B-2 stealth bomber so key to any American attack on Iran’s nuclear program. As Northrop Grumman, who makes the plane, explains, the B-2 is “a key component of the nation’s long-range strike arsenal, and one of the most survivable aircraft in the world.” Not only can it penetrate heavily defended areas, and elude sophisticated anti-air defense systems, but it boasts incredible range with the ability to fly “6,000 nautical miles unrefueled and 10,000 nautical miles with just one aerial refueling.”

The B-2 stealth bomber can also carry an extensive payload, and deliver precision strikes, both of which would be necessary to ensure the U.S. destroyed the nuclear facilities in as few waves of attacks as possible. As Northrup again explains, each B-2 can “carry more than 20 tons of conventional and nuclear ordnance and deliver it precisely under any weather conditions.”
http://scout.com/military/warrior/Artic ... -105339161

You under estimate Iran. They aren't Saddam's Iraq of 2003 or Gaddafi's Libya of 2011.

The US would also have to invade and they don't have the man power or popular will to do it to do regime change

FAH1223 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:02 pm You under estimate Iran. They aren't Saddam's Iraq of 2003 or Gaddafi's Libya of 2011.

The US would also have to invade and they don't have the man power or popular will to do it to do regime change

No, you overestimate Iran. Without Western air power, Iran & its allies (including Hezbollah) couldn't defeat ISIS. And why would the US have to invade? The US has air power that can bomb Iran to the Stone age. It's easy to damage something, not easy to rebuild/reconstruct what has been blown into smithereens.

Yes the US can destroy infrastructure and kill civilians in iran basically commit terrorism.
It will be of little use militarily and will not stop iran from using its missiles to bomb all those bases in the gulf.
Iran's air defence is not as as large or well developed as Iraq's in 1990 but it's men are well trained and motivated.
Iraq in 1990 was the low point nobody can reach that level of incompetence and utter stupidity.
People only see the s_300 system but it's not that important, iran has been acquiring pantsir system like crazy and it's all over iran.
The indigenous raad system is a development of the s200 and along with the bavar system it will be a. Nice surprise for the US.
The s_300 is just one but part of the air defence system.
When you include thousands of hand held igla or strela copies you can forget about helicopters or even drones.

The Iranian missile attack on Isis recently was a demonstration and a warning to the US, the accuracy was a wonderful surprise.
This will not be the silly scud attacks of 1990, every single US base in the gulf is undependable and will be lost. They will also take revenge on gulf Arabs for US destruction of their infrastructure by bombing other gulf targets.

Since the isreal airforce could not locate hezbollah missiles in 2006 and they kept firing the whole time, imagine what it would be like trying that on iran where the area is more than 20 times the size.

And forget about shipping in the gulf, tankers and cargo ships will be sunk and. There is little the US navy can do about it. Basically it will be a siege.

Iran entire armed forces are designed around indirect warfare. They are trained exactly for the comming war and there will be no surprises for them.

The US is not prepared mentally or even physical for this war.

paperino wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:22 pm

FAH1223 wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2017 8:02 pm You under estimate Iran. They aren't Saddam's Iraq of 2003 or Gaddafi's Libya of 2011.

The US would also have to invade and they don't have the man power or popular will to do it to do regime change

No, you overestimate Iran. Without Western air power, Iran & its allies (including Hezbollah) couldn't defeat ISIS. And why would the US have to invade? The US has air power that can bomb Iran to the Stone age. It's easy to damage something, not easy to rebuild/reconstruct what has been blown into smithereens.

Sure

But what about US bases? You really think they wouldn't be spared?

Not only bases also infrastructure, imagine dahran oil refineries, jebel ali port and dafra naval base, along with the massive one in Qatar and the large one in bahrain.
We are talking about hundreds if billions of damage and economic ruin for the gulf.
If iran goes down it will take down the gulf with it.

And thousands of us personel will die on their bases.

This time Americans and civilians in the gulf can die Fi sabiil isreal.

Isrealis might just lose a couple of planes.