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paperino wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:24 pm

According to British explorer (and abolitionist) Samuel Baker, who visited Khartoum in 1862 six decades after the British had declared slave trade illegal, slave trade was the industry "that kept Khartoum going as a bustling town".[9] Baker described the practice of slave raiding of African villages to the south by slavers in Khartoum: An armed group would sail up the Nile, find a convenient African village, surround it during night and attack just before dawn, burning huts and shooting. Women and young adults would be captured and bound with "forked poles on their shoulders", hand tied to the pole in front, children bound to their mothers. To render "the village so poor that surviving inhabitants would be force to collaborate with slavers on their next excursion against neighboring villages," the village would be looted of cattle, grain, ivory, with everything else destroyed.[9]

In the late 19th century, two thirds of Khartoum's population were slaves, according to historian Douglas H. Johnson.

Leftist wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:01 pm Arabman/Haddad/Paparino,

Will you now acknowledge that Secular-Liberal governance, with all of it's shortcomings, is far superior and has a better proven track record than ANY form of Theocracy(including Abbasids & Ummayads) ?

Leftist wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:30 pm Arabman,

Why do you always pose questions, but rarely ever answer them substantively? You are an avowed Islamist, a believer in religious rule, a proponent of theocracy...are you not? Then why can't you show a single example of successful Islamic governance over the past 200 years?

grandpakhalif wrote: Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:22 am Ignore this fool papwrino, his God is Secularism and Freedom. Our God is Allah.

Leftist wrote: Mon Aug 21, 2017 8:45 pm Since you refuse to answer the question, or at the very least, address the two examples I brought forth, you leave me with no choice but to conclude that you approve of the Mahdist uprising against the British, even if the Sudanese were fighting to protect slavery and the slave trade. The heart-wrenching cries of agony by the young girl being kidnapped from her home by Sudani slavers means nothing to you, as long as your precious "religious purity" is abided by.

And since the Prophet and the Companions practiced slavery(including sexual slavery), you, too, see nothing wrong with the evil abomination known as slavery. After all, if the Prophet had concubines.....how can it be immoral(it is more than immoral, it is an heinous evil to own another human being, let alone to keep them as a sexual play-thing)

It really is tragic how religion destroys the humanity of decent people. Arabman is a good man, but it is the brainwashing & blinding weight of organized religion and religious dogma that has robbed him of his reason, his rationality, and his humanity. He will listen to the agonizing wails of Yazidi girls being raped, and shrug his shoulders, and say: "verily indeed, God hath allowed slavery in the Quran, who am I to say it is wrong; indeed it is written in the Loox Al-Maxfuuth"