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Overview of Somali clannism vs Somali patriotism

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clannism

positives
1. community level organisation to increase education, health, development and combat drought, poverty, security issues etc
2. local political organisation to gain influence on the national level in a legal way through healthy competition with other clans.

negatives
1. unhealthy competition with other clans that lead to political discontent, clan wars and supremacist endeavours.
2. clan interest taking priority over ethno-national interest, this happened alot during the colonial period and it started to happen again since 1991 and it was reinforced when we adopted federalism.

patriotism

positives
1. national army that controls our land, sea and air, which can protect Somali clans assets.
2. international trade, economy which can improve the livelihood of all Somalis regardless of clan.
3. foreign affairs, promote good relations with nations, improve image of Somali people, protect rights of Somalis abroad.


negatives
1. xenophobia

This is my overview, people who call me clannist just see the fadhi kudirir I engage in sometimes, however I have never gone against Somali ethno-national interest. There is nothing wrong with clannism as long as it does not include unhealthy competition with other clans or going against national interest.

Any person with IQ over 70 knows the benefits of patriotism, which is what I believe needs to be reinstalled in Somalis, I do however disagree with the war against clannism, yes certain people should stay away from it, others don't have that culture and do not care for it, but I believe healthy practice of clannism is what made Somali people great and expanded into this vast country, unfortunately unhealthy clannism has lead to colonisation, loss of territory, and infighting.

I believe clannism can work hand in hand with patriotism, and remove the bureaucracy of top down control, but by no means do I support clan states and division or weakening of the Somali state.
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Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
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Re: Overview of Somali clannism vs Somali patriotism

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Somali ethnic nationalism is dead

There is darood nationalism
Isaaq nationalism
Hawiye nationalism
Ciise nationalism
Gadabursi nationalism.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
I would not be proud of promoting clannism in general, but I endorse good practice of clannism in the areas where that tradition is prevalent.

For example Burco currently has gone in the wrong direction, you say charity begins at home, why are you not speaking about the Jeegaan in Burco and the Jeegaan in Hargaysa ? clearly they are using clannism for the bad !
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Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 am
theyuusuf143 wrote: Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
I would not be proud of promoting clannism in general, but I endorse good practice of clannism in the areas where that tradition is prevalent.

For example Burco currently has gone in the wrong direction, you say charity begins at home, why are you not speaking about the Jeegaan in Burco and the Jeegaan in Hargaysa ? clearly they are using clannism for the bad !
Jeegaan has no leg to stand on. It's just temporary polical alliance that can disappear any time. Any one who complains about those two lesbian habros is not man enough to handle any thing else.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:02 pm
Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 am
theyuusuf143 wrote: Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
I would not be proud of promoting clannism in general, but I endorse good practice of clannism in the areas where that tradition is prevalent.

For example Burco currently has gone in the wrong direction, you say charity begins at home, why are you not speaking about the Jeegaan in Burco and the Jeegaan in Hargaysa ? clearly they are using clannism for the bad !
Jeegaan has no leg to stand on. It's just temporary polical alliance that can disappear any time. Any one who complains about those two lesbian habros is not man enough to handle any thing else.
I am just giving you an example of bad clannism ! Jeegaan might be temporary or it might be a new monarchy that will exist for decades, they certainly give indication of their intention unashamed while giving the middle finger to garhajis :lol:
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There is no garxajis there is no habarawal there is no habarjeclo. The 8 subclans of isaaq support all 3 parties. There are habarawal in wadani. Faisal cali waraabe is neutral he is garxajis. Segments of habarjeclo supporterted wadani. Ayub were divided supported wadani and kulmiye.


Adali WE isaaq share Somaliland
We are not Iike piglets darood alkhadam jabarti pigs.
Who use kikuyu and xabashis to have leverage over each others
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Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:33 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:02 pm
Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:33 am

I would not be proud of promoting clannism in general, but I endorse good practice of clannism in the areas where that tradition is prevalent.

For example Burco currently has gone in the wrong direction, you say charity begins at home, why are you not speaking about the Jeegaan in Burco and the Jeegaan in Hargaysa ? clearly they are using clannism for the bad !
Jeegaan has no leg to stand on. It's just temporary polical alliance that can disappear any time. Any one who complains about those two lesbian habros is not man enough to handle any thing else.
I am just giving you an example of bad clannism ! Jeegaan might be temporary or it might be a new monarchy that will exist for decades, they certainly give indication of their intention unashamed while giving the middle finger to garhajis :lol:
I can show you habarjeclo hanging on garxajis dickk tomorrow :lol: either ways you qadaadweyns will always cheerleader for the loosers no matter if they are garxajis habarjeclo or dhuloos. We know to handle this local issues. Jeegaan ta is not bad for Somaliland development in fact this is the right time for habar awal leadership as we are planning to undertake a massive projects in their own deegan, we want to appease them the same way Ethiopia is appeasing the Oromos right now. Habar awal are the economic backbone of our nation without them we are nothing. Those who are protesting against muuse biixi leadership don't understand this crucial policy , they are low IQ peasants who can't see their bright future.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:05 pm
Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:33 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 12:02 pm

Jeegaan has no leg to stand on. It's just temporary polical alliance that can disappear any time. Any one who complains about those two lesbian habros is not man enough to handle any thing else.
I am just giving you an example of bad clannism ! Jeegaan might be temporary or it might be a new monarchy that will exist for decades, they certainly give indication of their intention unashamed while giving the middle finger to garhajis :lol:
I can show you habarjeclo hanging on garxajis dickk tomorrow :lol: either ways you qadaadweyns will always cheerleader for the loosers no matter if they are garxajis habarjeclo or dhuloos. We know to handle this local issues. Jeegaan ta is not bad for Somaliland development in fact this is the right time for habar awal leadership as we are planning to undertake a massive projects in their own deegan, we want to appease them the same way Ethiopia is appeasing the Oromos right now. Habar awal are the economic backbone of our nation without them we are nothing. Those who are protesting against muuse biixi leadership don't understand this crucial policy , they are low IQ peasants who can't see their bright future.
Garhajis are indeed losers :lol:

In a zero sum game I will of course support the underdog, it is human nature to do so, however I thought SL was looking towards a brighter more democratic future, instead it is becoming worse and worse. Its currently almost like a dictatorship.
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Somaliland is indeed the most democratic nation in East Africa. Ask your UN masters.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:33 am Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
when failmarjo leaves office, adali will be the first to attack who ever gets in if he is not from his people, every took who spouses nationalism in villa somalia waa triabilis number one, no somali makes somalia first, waa my tribe first, even if he is good he will get changed by advisers, the system his peoples around him, he swims in an ocean of tribalism, only time before it hits him ,



break up this shit hole called zoomalia and let every major region go their own way, we hate each other, we dont want each other yet we want a united somalia, somalis waa the most confused toogo on earth, they even lie to themselves when in bed,
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TeeriReturns wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:12 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:33 am Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
when failmarjo leaves office, adali will be the first to attack who ever gets in if he is not from his people, every took who spouses nationalism in villa somalia waa triabilis number one, no somali makes somalia first, waa my tribe first, even if he is good he will get changed by advisers, the system his peoples around him, he swims in an ocean of tribalism, only time before it hits him ,

ahmed madoobe is a nationalist true and true, bad for us OGs, becaseu ideally if i was inn charge i would have hunted marehan and majerteens day and night and ship them back to mudug where they came from, waa laba midgo
We have nothing but respect for Madoobe's leadership in jubaland. We don't fuckk with those who don't fuckk with us . Sheekhu hawshiisa ha wato it's none of our business.
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:23 pm
TeeriReturns wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:12 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:33 am Probably I am one of the few Snet members who publicly promote clanisim for good. I hate hycpocrites who hide behind Natiolism. Only a good progressive clan like isaaq Ciise or gadabursi can make a better nation. Charity begins at home.
when failmarjo leaves office, adali will be the first to attack who ever gets in if he is not from his people, every took who spouses nationalism in villa somalia waa triabilis number one, no somali makes somalia first, waa my tribe first, even if he is good he will get changed by advisers, the system his peoples around him, he swims in an ocean of tribalism, only time before it hits him ,

ahmed madoobe is a nationalist true and true, bad for us OGs, becaseu ideally if i was inn charge i would have hunted marehan and majerteens day and night and ship them back to mudug where they came from, waa laba midgo
We have nothing but respect for Madoobe's leadership in jubaland. We don't fuckk with those who don't fuckk with us . Sheekhu hawshiisa ha wato it's none of our business.
haha Madoobe iyo kdf does not concern you, he is our problem not yours, however what is your problem is Berbera, iyo Habashida idinku soo qulqulayso.
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Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:27 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:23 pm
TeeriReturns wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:12 pm

when failmarjo leaves office, adali will be the first to attack who ever gets in if he is not from his people, every took who spouses nationalism in villa somalia waa triabilis number one, no somali makes somalia first, waa my tribe first, even if he is good he will get changed by advisers, the system his peoples around him, he swims in an ocean of tribalism, only time before it hits him ,

ahmed madoobe is a nationalist true and true, bad for us OGs, becaseu ideally if i was inn charge i would have hunted marehan and majerteens day and night and ship them back to mudug where they came from, waa laba midgo
We have nothing but respect for Madoobe's leadership in jubaland. We don't fuckk with those who don't fuckk with us . Sheekhu hawshiisa ha wato it's none of our business.
haha Madoobe iyo kdf does not concern you, he is our problem not yours, however what is your problem is Berbera, iyo Habashida idinku soo qulqulayso.
Yes it does not concern me , why don't you just deal with your problem and forget about my problem. Is that difficult for you ? Unlike you I don't waste my time to discuss on jubaland local issues , it's none of my business , this is why we are more successful than you , We are not hypocrites :lol:
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theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:37 pm
Adali wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:27 pm
theyuusuf143 wrote: Thu Mar 01, 2018 2:23 pm

We have nothing but respect for Madoobe's leadership in jubaland. We don't fuckk with those who don't fuckk with us . Sheekhu hawshiisa ha wato it's none of our business.
haha Madoobe iyo kdf does not concern you, he is our problem not yours, however what is your problem is Berbera, iyo Habashida idinku soo qulqulayso.
Yes it does not concern me , why don't you just deal with your problem and forget about my problem. Is that difficult for you ? Unlike you I don't waste my time to discuss on jubaland local issues , it's none of my business , this is why we are more successful than you , We are not hypocrites :lol:
You are right Jubaland is the problem of the locals there and Somaliland is the problem of the locals there, but both come under :som: and is the problem of SFG.

As an nationalist observe I think the deal is bad and I am criticising it you are welcome to rebuttal it, but I can speak about whatever I want, especially since I am Somali nationalist I will speak about issues effecting all Somalis as well as local issues. Berbera to me is an issue that effects all Somalis, and particularly SL people and furthermore Rer Berbera.
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