Realistically speaking can there be ever another union between SL and Somalia

[SuldaanOfSanaag]

I personally think they can't be. On one side you have Somaliland arguing why join a fail country when we can have our own goverment and parliament

On the otherside you have Somalia argument saying why let Somaliland go when we can have power over the north and stop more break up of somalia states.

both argument is plausible
but what is worst is the status quo we are in.
We stuck in a limbo.

Somaliland has more to smile about on that if we can trade and sign deals like dp world one who needs recognition and UN and world bank meddling in our affairs. it suits us more then it suits somalia.

so what do y'all think about another union happening?

[Waachis]

I can't speak for isaaq but if they were given concessions, such as maintaining their autonomy, their own army, perhaps even a navy, then what do they have to lose.
As an oromo, if I saw a terrorist group attacking northern oromo, I'd be ready to pick up arms and fight for them, even though northern oromo helped habesh conquered southern oromo. The past is the past....you guys are the same people... The world including your immediate neighbors in the horn, cannot tell who is isaaq who is jidwaaq who is hawiye who is marehan unless y'all tell us....

[Khalid Ali]

Its not gonne happen Somaliland will never ever ruled by others never ever will we put our destiny and that of or grand childeren in the hands of terrorists faqash walanweyn uncultrard walanweyn. There Is a bigger chance hamas accepting Israeli hegonomy than Somaliland ever sharing a countries with southies. When we started snm it was 1979 how many years lool 70 percent of Somaliland has never met a walanweyn or a faqash in their life. As president siilaanyo once said said if it takes us 100 years to get recognition its worth waiting. As president rayaale told the Americans Sudan rice and dhukuro aka jendeye frayzer we rather fight till the bitter end and kill as many faqash walanweyn amisom jihadist we will release terror squads to the south and we will kill as many of you.

Qabiilku haa wadda loolamaan sidi labba quroomood eh. We have 130000 troops ready for combat and every isaaq son who can carry a gun will be send to the front.

I was 2 young to fight in the 1980s but if it comes to it I will be the New muuse biixi and the New mujahid axmed dhagax or the New muj cabdilahi askar or the new mujahid maxammad cali and I have allot of nephews and cousins who are ready. Kill them all

[Advo]

Yes!

[gambit]

Its not gonne happen Somaliland will never ever ruled by others never ever will we put our destiny and that of or grand childeren in the hands of terrorists faqash walanweyn uncultrard walanweyn. There Is a bigger chance hamas accepting Israeli hegonomy than Somaliland ever sharing a countries with southies. When we started snm it was 1979 how many years lool 70 percent of Somaliland has never met a walanweyn or a faqash in their life. As president siilaanyo once said said if it takes us 100 years to get recognition its worth waiting. As president rayaale told the Americans Sudan rice and dhukuro aka jendeye frayzer we rather fight till the bitter end and kill as many faqash walanweyn amisom jihadist we will release terror squads to the south and we will kill as many of you.

Qabiilku haa wadda loolamaan sidi labba quroomood eh. We have 130000 troops ready for combat and every isaaq son who can carry a gun will be send to the front.

I was 2 young to fight in the 1980s but if it comes to it I will be the New muuse biixi and the New mujahid axmed dhagax or the New muj cabdilahi askar or the new mujahid maxammad cali and I have allot of nephews and cousins who are ready. Kill them all

This guy's posts kill me.....

I agree tho. Somalia is just confusion who wants to be a part of that

[Sharmarke91]

The status quo cant be accepted. No progress or economic development can be achieved this way. We are one of the poorest corners of the world i think its about time we woke the fuck up and let the people decide what they want and move on.

lets be honest the isaaq and samaroon adamantly want to be independent.

The northern Harti want to remain with Somalia.

The solution is simple let isaaq and samaroon build their independent nation and let the northern Harti remain with Somalia.Simple, its a good compromise.

everybody is happy and everybody wins.

This way there wont be any hostility or hate.
we will be 3 somali countries side by side including djibouti supporting each other in the international stage and against our common enemy ethiopia.

in addition we will work together to support our somali brothers in ethiopia and kenya and make sure they are living good and we can even try to get them to become independent countries too.

what do guys reckon? a good solution or what?

[Typhoon]

How can there be another union, when there was no union but reunification of somali territory in the first place.

this thread is whats called a logical fallacy.

[theyuusuf143]

The status quo cant be accepted. No progress or economic development can be achieved this way. We are one of the poorest corners of the world i think its about time we woke the fuck up and let the people decide what they want and move on.

lets be honest the isaaq and samaroon adamantly want to be independent.

The northern Harti want to remain with Somalia.

The solution is simple let isaaq and samaroon build their independent nation and let the northern Harti remain with Somalia.Simple, its a good compromise.

everybody is happy and everybody wins.

This way there wont be any hostility or hate.
we will be 3 somali countries side by side including djibouti supporting each other in the international stage and against our common enemy ethiopia.

in addition we will work together to support our somali brothers in ethiopia and kenya and make sure they are living good and we can even try to get them to become independent countries too.

what do guys reckon? a good solution or what?

Well first of all I don't believe any one believes in Somalia even MJs don't believe in Somalia let alone dhuloos. Your proposal sounds good on paper but it will Actually create the worst hostility among us ( isaaq and harti) we have no defined boundaries and that's the real problem. if we break up I won't hesitate to to grab as much territory as I can because we are no longer the same countrymen, no Mercy and no compromise . But now we have defined border with the southerners , why don't we just close our border first , erect Kenyan style wall and solve our local difference through dialogue. We have nothing to gain from the south and you know that . Are we stupid when we are repeating the same mistake that our fathers did in 1960. This southern baboons knows nothing about Natiolism .

[theyuusuf143]

I say no. I would never accept reunification in my lifetime. It's up to the future Somalis but today we better be separate.

[Sharmarke91]

The status quo cant be accepted. No progress or economic development can be achieved this way. We are one of the poorest corners of the world i think its about time we woke the fuck up and let the people decide what they want and move on.

lets be honest the isaaq and samaroon adamantly want to be independent.

The northern Harti want to remain with Somalia.

The solution is simple let isaaq and samaroon build their independent nation and let the northern Harti remain with Somalia.Simple, its a good compromise.

everybody is happy and everybody wins.

This way there wont be any hostility or hate.
we will be 3 somali countries side by side including djibouti supporting each other in the international stage and against our common enemy ethiopia.

in addition we will work together to support our somali brothers in ethiopia and kenya and make sure they are living good and we can even try to get them to become independent countries too.

what do guys reckon? a good solution or what?

Well first of all I don't believe any one believes in Somalia even MJs don't believe in Somalia let alone dhuloos. Your proposal sounds good on paper but it will Actually create the worst hostility among us ( isaaq and harti) we have no defined boundaries and that's the real problem. if we break up I won't hesitate to to grab as much territory as I can because we are no longer the same countrymen, no Mercy and no compromise . But now we have defined border with the southerners , why don't we just close our border first , erect Kenyan style wall and solve our local difference through dialogue. We have nothing to gain from the south and you know that . Are we stupid when we are repeating the same mistake that our fathers did in 1960. This southern baboons knows nothing about Natiolism .

Yusuf lets be honest here sxb.

An independent Somaliland would only serve to benefit the Isaaq and Samaroon. Since your the majority you will have complete hegemony over the state.

The northern Harti have their interest in Somalia were they would be among the Daarood kin and their beloved Somalis.

I say let the people decide what they want. Its the 21st century nobody can be forced to submit.

And the border issue can actually be quite easy solved. Due to so many years of hatred and hostility the Isaaq and Harti have more or less a defined border.

Starting from the Ethiopian border, the Isaaq and Harti border would lie at the midway point between Coodanle and Xadhadhan, from there it would continue to the midway point between galgal & Qorilugud, Horufadhi & Habri-Heshay, Gumays & Oog, Lafweyn & Gosawyne, Xudun & Bohol, Kulal and Dararweyne, Masagan & Durdur, Ceerigabo, midhisho & jiidali, joining the red sea from there.

[theyuusuf143]

The status quo cant be accepted. No progress or economic development can be achieved this way. We are one of the poorest corners of the world i think its about time we woke the fuck up and let the people decide what they want and move on.

lets be honest the isaaq and samaroon adamantly want to be independent.

The northern Harti want to remain with Somalia.

The solution is simple let isaaq and samaroon build their independent nation and let the northern Harti remain with Somalia.Simple, its a good compromise.

everybody is happy and everybody wins.

This way there wont be any hostility or hate.
we will be 3 somali countries side by side including djibouti supporting each other in the international stage and against our common enemy ethiopia.

in addition we will work together to support our somali brothers in ethiopia and kenya and make sure they are living good and we can even try to get them to become independent countries too.

what do guys reckon? a good solution or what?

Well first of all I don't believe any one believes in Somalia even MJs don't believe in Somalia let alone dhuloos. Your proposal sounds good on paper but it will Actually create the worst hostility among us ( isaaq and harti) we have no defined boundaries and that's the real problem. if we break up I won't hesitate to to grab as much territory as I can because we are no longer the same countrymen, no Mercy and no compromise . But now we have defined border with the southerners , why don't we just close our border first , erect Kenyan style wall and solve our local difference through dialogue. We have nothing to gain from the south and you know that . Are we stupid when we are repeating the same mistake that our fathers did in 1960. This southern baboons knows nothing about Natiolism .

Yusuf lets be honest here sxb.

An independent Somaliland would only serve to benefit the Isaaq and Samaroon. Since your the majority you will have complete hegemony over the state.

The northern Harti have their interest in Somalia were they would be among the Daarood kin and their beloved Somalis.

I say let the people decide what they want. Its the 21st century nobody can be forced to submit.

And the border issue can actually be quite easy solved. Due to so many years of hatred and hostility the Isaaq and Harti have more or less a defined border.

Starting from the Ethiopian border, the Isaaq and Harti border would lie at the midway point between Coodanle and Xadhadhan, from there it would continue to the midway point between galgal & Qorilugud, Horufadhi & Habri-Heshay, Gumays & Oog, Lafweyn & Gosawyne, Xudun & Bohol, Kulal and Dararweyne, Masagan & Durdur, Ceerigabo, midhisho & jiidali, joining the red sea from there.

I believe the opposite . An independent Somaliland would serve the interests of all of us . Somaliland is a tripartite state and you have your fair share. All you need is to focus on participating somaliland democratic process instead of wasting your time on watching animal Zoo . In 1990 SNM at it's peak realized that it must engage dialogue with non isaaq somalilanders , they did this because the never wanted to confront their own people. 28 years later you still can't see what those limbing rebels understood. This is not matter of love or choice it's a matter of survival and coexistence. I would rather wage cyber war on qadaadweyn than fighting against dhuloos for the rest of my life.

[zidane88]

It is more difficult now than ever. how can you convince S/lander youth (never seen unified Somalia) and Southies (never seen peace) that peace and unified Somalia can exist? that's the reality facing every leader. True and probably tough pill to swallow.

[abodu]

Ethiopia wouldn't allow it.
Ethiopia wouldn't aprove of it.
Ethiopia like Somaliland the way she is.
Easy, clean and willing.
Eager to please and ready at a moment's notice.

19% was just the foreplay.

[dhusomacaan]

I personally think they can't be. On one side you have Somaliland arguing why join a fail country when we can have our own goverment and parliament

On the otherside you have Somalia argument saying why let Somaliland go when we can have power over the north and stop more break up of somalia states.

both argument is plausible
but what is worst is the status quo we are in.
We stuck in a limbo.

Somaliland has more to smile about on that if we can trade and sign deals like dp world one who needs recognition and UN and world bank meddling in our affairs. it suits us more then it suits somalia.

so what do y'all think about another union happening?

for me personally speaking as a darood once somalia stabilizes we need to mourn and recognize the crimes of our past and that means all of us we need let go of tribalism its 2018 for fucks sake and we wonder why somalia isnt doing well? war is dirty and there is no winners but we win if we let go and move forward. Anyway I believe somaliland deserves a referendum because its has managed to be peaceful for so long during the war. But were not there yet by a long mile... because were not a proper country yet. However I believe a secession would hurt them economically and somalia as a whole but thats talk for another day. IMO Its better to pool our resources together and work together for a better future but that will be peoples decision through voting.

[Sharmarke91]

Well first of all I don't believe any one believes in Somalia even MJs don't believe in Somalia let alone dhuloos. Your proposal sounds good on paper but it will Actually create the worst hostility among us ( isaaq and harti) we have no defined boundaries and that's the real problem. if we break up I won't hesitate to to grab as much territory as I can because we are no longer the same countrymen, no Mercy and no compromise . But now we have defined border with the southerners , why don't we just close our border first , erect Kenyan style wall and solve our local difference through dialogue. We have nothing to gain from the south and you know that . Are we stupid when we are repeating the same mistake that our fathers did in 1960. This southern baboons knows nothing about Natiolism .

Yusuf lets be honest here sxb.

An independent Somaliland would only serve to benefit the Isaaq and Samaroon. Since your the majority you will have complete hegemony over the state.

The northern Harti have their interest in Somalia were they would be among the Daarood kin and their beloved Somalis.

I say let the people decide what they want. Its the 21st century nobody can be forced to submit.

And the border issue can actually be quite easy solved. Due to so many years of hatred and hostility the Isaaq and Harti have more or less a defined border.

Starting from the Ethiopian border, the Isaaq and Harti border would lie at the midway point between Coodanle and Xadhadhan, from there it would continue to the midway point between galgal & Qorilugud, Horufadhi & Habri-Heshay, Gumays & Oog, Lafweyn & Gosawyne, Xudun & Bohol, Kulal and Dararweyne, Masagan & Durdur, Ceerigabo, midhisho & jiidali, joining the red sea from there.

I believe the opposite . An independent Somaliland would serve the interests of all of us . Somaliland is a tripartite state and you have your fair share. All you need is to focus on participating somaliland democratic process instead of wasting your time on watching animal Zoo . In 1990 SNM at it's peak realized that it must engage dialogue with non isaaq somalilanders , they did this because the never wanted to confront their own people. 28 years later you still can't see what those limbing rebels understood. This is not matter of love or choice it's a matter of survival and coexistence. I would rather wage cyber war on qadaadweyn than fighting against dhuloos for the rest of my life.

I don't need a fair share, i need dal aan ku kaajo aan san doono kugu galgasho - a complete domination. Like the good old Siad Barre years.