Oromo clan breakdown-somalis do u see anything familiar or similar?

[Waachis]

Oromoon Ilmaan 2 Dhale, Isaanis;
1 .Booranaa fi 2. Baareentoo

1. Oromoon Booranaa Ilmaa 1 dhale; innis
1.Samaalo

Samaalo ilmaan 2 dhale ,isaanis;
1. Walaabuu
2. Ormaa

1. Walaabuu ilmaa 1 dhale ,innis :
1. Rayyaa

Rayyaan ilmaan 5 dhale ,isaanis :
1. Karrayyuu
2. walloo
3. maccaa
4. Tuulama
5. Gujjii

Macca ilmaan 5 dhale ,isaanis:
1. sirba
2. libaan
3. jaawwii
4. daal'ee
5.jiddaa

==>
Oromoo<--Booranaa<--Samaaloo<--Walaabuu<--Raayyaa<--Maccaa

[St8OuttaDirree]

Use this Wikipedia link. Seems to be accurate.

Oh and btw, Guji would be under Orma, not Walabu.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... _and_clans

[Django]

Samaalo and samaale are the same.They are irir.

[Advo]

Oromoon Ilmaan 2 Dhale, Isaanis;
1 .Booranaa fi 2. Baareentoo

ilmaan = iilmo = children

dhale = dhaley = birth

am I correct? we have similar words man

1 = kow
2 = labo
3 = sedex
4 = afar
5 = shan
6 = lix
7 = todabo
8 = sideed
9 = sagaal
10 = tobon



anyways going back to the Oromo abtirsi, it looks kind of sketchy man...

somali abtirsi starts with ur name...example: son, father, grandpa, great grandpa , great great grandpa and so on until u reach ur clan name.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Oromoon Ilmaan 2 Dhale, Isaanis;
1 .Booranaa fi 2. Baareentoo

ilmaan = iilmo = children

dhale = dhaley = birth

am I correct? we have similar words man

1 = kow
2 = labo
3 = sedex
4 = afar
5 = shan
6 = lix
7 = todabo
8 = sideed
9 = sagaal
10 = tobon



anyways going back to the Oromo abtirsi, it looks kind of sketchy man...

somali abtirsi starts with ur name...example: son, father, grandpa, great grandpa , great great grandpa and so on until u reach ur clan name.

1 = Takka or Tokko
2 = Lama
3 = Sadi
4 = Afur
5 = Shan
6 = Jah(a) or Ja
7 = Torba
8 = Sadeet
9 = Sagal
10 = Kudhan

Very similar indeed. Yes ilman = Children, ilmo/ilma = child. And dhale = birth.

Our Abtirsi start with our name, and goes to father, grandfather etc up to subclan/ clan and then Oromo.

And the Lineages Waachis includes are those of the northern Borana, the Macca, Tulama(western, central Oromos)etc..

You just won’t see many Oromo posting such thing online.

Example, I’m so and so, son of, son of, son of Abdella, Hussein, Ahmed, Jidda, Kabira, Alisho, Abdo, Bultum, Mahamed, Ibro, Jilo, Chaffee, Maya, Odda etc..

Most Oromos can at least memorize until their clan or subclan. It all depends which kind of Oromo you’re speaking to as well. Eastern Oromos and Boranas tend to be more tribal compared to west-central, so we tend to keep our lineage and understand who we are.

[zidane88]

Fayaan qabtee= ma faydaan
magaala= magaalo
Injiru= ma jiro

[Adali]

Oromoon Ilmaan 2 Dhale, Isaanis;
1 .Booranaa fi 2. Baareentoo

ilmaan = iilmo = children

dhale = dhaley = birth

am I correct? we have similar words man

1 = kow
2 = labo
3 = sedex
4 = afar
5 = shan
6 = lix
7 = todabo
8 = sideed
9 = sagaal
10 = tobon



anyways going back to the Oromo abtirsi, it looks kind of sketchy man...

somali abtirsi starts with ur name...example: son, father, grandpa, great grandpa , great great grandpa and so on until u reach ur clan name.

1 = Takka or Tokko
2 = Lama
3 = Sadi
4 = Afur
5 = Shan
6 = Jah(a) or Ja
7 = Torba
8 = Sadeet
9 = Sagal
10 = Kudhan

Very similar indeed. Yes ilman = Children, ilmo/ilma = child. And dhale = birth.

Our Abtirsi start with our name, and goes to father, grandfather etc up to subclan/ clan and then Oromo.

And the Lineages Waachis includes are those of the northern Borana, the Macca, Tulama(western, central Oromos)etc..

You just won’t see many Oromo posting such thing online.

Example, I’m so and so, son of, son of, son of Abdella, Hussein, Ahmed, Jidda, Kabira, Alisho, Abdo, Bultum, Mahamed, Ibro, Jilo, Chaffee, Maya, Odda etc..

Most Oromos can at least memorize until their clan or subclan. It all depends which kind of Oromo you’re speaking to as well. Eastern Oromos and Boranas tend to be more tribal compared to west-central, so we tend to keep our lineage and understand who we are.

Afaan Borana is remotely related to Af Somali, we have an intermediary group that speak a mixture of the two languages called Afaan/Af Garre.

[Adali]

ilmaan = iilmo = children

dhale = dhaley = birth

am I correct? we have similar words man

1 = kow
2 = labo
3 = sedex
4 = afar
5 = shan
6 = lix
7 = todabo
8 = sideed
9 = sagaal
10 = tobon



anyways going back to the Oromo abtirsi, it looks kind of sketchy man...

somali abtirsi starts with ur name...example: son, father, grandpa, great grandpa , great great grandpa and so on until u reach ur clan name.

1 = Takka or Tokko
2 = Lama
3 = Sadi
4 = Afur
5 = Shan
6 = Jah(a) or Ja
7 = Torba
8 = Sadeet
9 = Sagal
10 = Kudhan

Very similar indeed. Yes ilman = Children, ilmo/ilma = child. And dhale = birth.

Our Abtirsi start with our name, and goes to father, grandfather etc up to subclan/ clan and then Oromo.

And the Lineages Waachis includes are those of the northern Borana, the Macca, Tulama(western, central Oromos)etc..

You just won’t see many Oromo posting such thing online.

Example, I’m so and so, son of, son of, son of Abdella, Hussein, Ahmed, Jidda, Kabira, Alisho, Abdo, Bultum, Mahamed, Ibro, Jilo, Chaffee, Maya, Odda etc..

Most Oromos can at least memorize until their clan or subclan. It all depends which kind of Oromo you’re speaking to as well. Eastern Oromos and Boranas tend to be more tribal compared to west-central, so we tend to keep our lineage and understand who we are.

Afaan Borana is remotely related to Af Somali, we have an intermediary group that speak a mixture of the two languages called Afaan/Af Garre.

This is a Somali group but they speak Afaan Borana

[St8OuttaDirree]

ilmaan = iilmo = children

dhale = dhaley = birth

am I correct? we have similar words man

1 = kow
2 = labo
3 = sedex
4 = afar
5 = shan
6 = lix
7 = todabo
8 = sideed
9 = sagaal
10 = tobon



anyways going back to the Oromo abtirsi, it looks kind of sketchy man...

somali abtirsi starts with ur name...example: son, father, grandpa, great grandpa , great great grandpa and so on until u reach ur clan name.

1 = Takka or Tokko
2 = Lama
3 = Sadi
4 = Afur
5 = Shan
6 = Jah(a) or Ja
7 = Torba
8 = Sadeet
9 = Sagal
10 = Kudhan

Very similar indeed. Yes ilman = Children, ilmo/ilma = child. And dhale = birth.

Our Abtirsi start with our name, and goes to father, grandfather etc up to subclan/ clan and then Oromo.

And the Lineages Waachis includes are those of the northern Borana, the Macca, Tulama(western, central Oromos)etc..

You just won’t see many Oromo posting such thing online.

Example, I’m so and so, son of, son of, son of Abdella, Hussein, Ahmed, Jidda, Kabira, Alisho, Abdo, Bultum, Mahamed, Ibro, Jilo, Chaffee, Maya, Odda etc..

Most Oromos can at least memorize until their clan or subclan. It all depends which kind of Oromo you’re speaking to as well. Eastern Oromos and Boranas tend to be more tribal compared to west-central, so we tend to keep our lineage and understand who we are.

Afaan Borana is remotely related to Af Somali, we have an intermediary group that speak a mixture of the two languages called Afaan/Af Garre.

I’m well aware of the Garri. We have some in our Community who claim Oromo. It’s funny sitting and watching them with their relatives. They are all Oromo, the relatives are all Somali. Interesting debates in that family.

[AbdiWahab252]

I always knew Borana were Somali. Conversion to Islam caused the great split between the Borana and the others. The Borana kept the Waaqist faith and continued their role as the Wadad class while the others converted over time to Islam and became Somali. Other lost clans are the Gabra, Sakuye, Rendiile who fled the Islamization campaign and were kicked out of the Somali familial grouping which had Islam as a key culutural identifier

[St8OuttaDirree]

I always knew Borana were Somali. Conversion to Islam caused the great split between the Borana and the others. The Borana kept the Waaqist faith and continued their role as the Wadad class while the others converted over time to Islam and became Somali. Other lost clans are the Gabra, Sakuye, Rendiile who fled the Islamization campaign and were kicked out of the Somali familial grouping which had Islam as a key culutural identifier

If Boranas are not Oromo, no one is.

They are the purest and most original of all Oromo. And I speak of the Boran to the south, not the northern confiderations known as Macca and Tulama - Waachis clan.

They kept the old culture and stayed true to who they are. The rest of Oromos have been heavily mixed with other ethnicities, and also assimilated a large amount. Hard to tel who is from the original Oromo group anymore.

Long ago, the Arsi would determine who is Oromo by naming those from Oromo background as Arsi, and the others as Hadiya. Today they are completely mixed and it’s not known who is who. Those of Hadiya background were adopted into one of the clans that make them Arsi.

At the end of the day Borana are angaffa Oromo, and will always be Oromo.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Oromoon Ilmaan 2 Dhale, Isaanis;
1 .Booranaa fi 2. Baareentoo

1. Oromoon Booranaa Ilmaa 1 dhale; innis
1.Samaalo

Samaalo ilmaan 2 dhale ,isaanis;
1. Walaabuu
2. Ormaa

1. Walaabuu ilmaa 1 dhale ,innis :
1. Rayyaa

Rayyaan ilmaan 5 dhale ,isaanis :
1. Karrayyuu
2. walloo
3. maccaa
4. Tuulama
5. Gujjii

Macca ilmaan 5 dhale ,isaanis:
1. sirba
2. libaan
3. jaawwii
4. daal'ee
5.jiddaa

==>
Oromoo<--Booranaa<--Samaaloo<--Walaabuu<--Raayyaa<--Maccaa

Interesting. So you're a Borana? I thought Borana only lived in Kenya/Southern Ethiopia. Also, aren't Boranas meant to be warriors? How come you guys are bullied by Habshesa?

[Waachis]

Oromoon Ilmaan 2 Dhale, Isaanis;
1 .Booranaa fi 2. Baareentoo

1. Oromoon Booranaa Ilmaa 1 dhale; innis
1.Samaalo

Samaalo ilmaan 2 dhale ,isaanis;
1. Walaabuu
2. Ormaa

1. Walaabuu ilmaa 1 dhale ,innis :
1. Rayyaa

Rayyaan ilmaan 5 dhale ,isaanis :
1. Karrayyuu
2. walloo
3. maccaa
4. Tuulama
5. Gujjii

Macca ilmaan 5 dhale ,isaanis:
1. sirba
2. libaan
3. jaawwii
4. daal'ee
5.jiddaa

==>
Oromoo<--Booranaa<--Samaaloo<--Walaabuu<--Raayyaa<--Maccaa

Interesting. So you're a Borana? I thought Borana only lived in Kenya/Southern Ethiopia. Also, aren't Boranas meant to be warriors? How come you guys are bullied by Habshesa?

Yeah, when we expanded, some oromo stayed behind in their lands, original lands, while others left for new Lands. My clan happened to expand the most from all oromo clans.
And when did habesha bully us.
We were like somalis, when the habesha were expanding, we were fighting each other and they took advantage.

[AbdiWahab252]

[quote=AbdiWahab252 post_id=4880382 time=<a href="tel:1523369142">1523369142</a> user_id=27472]
I always knew Borana were Somali. Conversion to Islam caused the great split between the Borana and the others. The Borana kept the Waaqist faith and continued their role as the Wadad class while the others converted over time to Islam and became Somali. Other lost clans are the Gabra, Sakuye, Rendiile who fled the Islamization campaign and were kicked out of the Somali familial grouping which had Islam as a key culutural identifier

If Boranas are not Oromo, no one is.

They are the purest and most original of all Oromo. And I speak of the Boran to the south, not the northern confiderations known as Macca and Tulama - Waachis clan.

They kept the old culture and stayed true to who they are. The rest of Oromos have been heavily mixed with other ethnicities, and also assimilated a large amount. Hard to tel who is from the original Oromo group anymore.

Long ago, the Arsi would determine who is Oromo by naming those from Oromo background as Arsi, and the others as Hadiya. Today they are completely mixed and it’s not known who is who. Those of Hadiya background were adopted into one of the clans that make them Arsi.

At the end of the day Borana are angaffa Oromo, and will always be Oromo.
[/quote]

Borana are the closest to the Somalis. I view them as them as the siblings who stayed true to the ancestoral culture and faith.

So the Hadiya live north of Moyale? Some people were peddling the idea that they are an offshoot of the Western Hawiye who live in deep in Oromia as far as Nazaret. Hadiya being a corruption of Hawiye.

[St8OuttaDirree]

Hadiya and Hawiye are completely different. They speak a Cushitic language but very different to Somalis.
They’re very close to the Sidama in Culture and appearance.

Borana being the closest to Somali because they are the purest Oromo. All Oromos lived and looked the same back before we’ve moved from Madda Walabu.

We’ve just managed to mix and assimilate a lot of people, so the culture to some clans have changed, and so has their appearance.

The Karrayyu are like the Boran in Culture, but dress differently. They are the purest Oromo amongst the Bareentuma half.

They don’t mix much with others, and have kept our culture with a little influence from the afar.