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Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:41 pm
by bakooradBoy
Apart from these acts of violence against the Somali population, the Kenyan government screened residents of the north-east to differentiate between those considered genuinely Kenyan, and those who should be ‘returned’ to Somalia. Emma Lochery consolidates an analysis of a 1989 screening and describes that “[t]hose who were deemed to belong to a lineage ‘indigenous’ to Kenya were issued pink screening cards; those declared non-citizens were deported”. At a base level, this forms part of a false ‘settler’ versus ‘native’ distinction that ignores sub-Saharan Africa’s grand history of migration and specifically discriminates against nomadic and pastoral people as less-genuine citizens than those who are agrarian or urban. The bias plays out in less-than-objective attempts to identify who is not Kenyan:
http://www.accord.org.za/conflict-trend ... -identity/

I don't recall the Amraha or the Tigrayans doing something like that.

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:01 pm
by Django
That is an outdated script.
Kenya cannot be compared to Ethiopia.

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:08 pm
by bakooradBoy
Django wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:01 pm That is an outdated script.
Kenya cannot be compared to Ethiopia.
how so? can you elaborate

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:32 pm
by Django
When you are comparing facts dont bring outdated material that is 30 years old and where is the Ethiopia material to compare?

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:19 pm
by Xamuud
Kenya is an democratic nation, unlike Ethiopia which is fascist amxaar prison for the so many ethnic groups that yearn for freedom from that amxaar prison.

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 4:46 pm
by DalJecel60
ethiopian somalis see themselves as under occupation
kenyan somalis dont.
ethiopian somalis have it better than Kenyan Somalis

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:09 pm
by Kismaayo21
I see improvements in the living standards of the Somalis in that region. Could it be a coincidence that their living standards is improving as Somalia’s living standards improve?

As Somalia becomes stronger and less corrupt the tone of Ethiopia and Kenya changes...

Would it be wise from the Somalis in that region to advocate for a strong Somali state that they can use as a leverage when dealing with other Kenyan clans?

Who benefits from Somalia’s unity the most, Somalis from Somalia or Somalis from neighboring countries.

If you live in NFD or the Somali region in Ethiopia and you’re calling for the collapse of the Somali Central government then you are shooting yourselves in the foot.

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:09 pm
by Kismaayo21
I see improvements in the living standards of the Somalis in that region. Could it be a coincidence that their living standards is improving as Somalia’s living standards improve?

As Somalia becomes stronger and less corrupt the tone of Ethiopia and Kenya changes...

Would it be wise from the Somalis in that region to advocate for a strong Somali state that they can use as a leverage when dealing with other Kenyan clans?

Who benefits from Somalia’s unity the most, Somalis from Somalia or Somalis from neighboring countries.

If you live in NFD or the Somali region in Ethiopia and you’re calling for the collapse of the Somali Central government then you are shooting yourselves in the foot.

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:51 pm
by bakooradBoy
Kismaayo21 wrote: Tue Sep 25, 2018 5:09 pm I see improvements in the living standards of the Somalis in that region. Could it be a coincidence that their living standards is improving as Somalia’s living standards improve?

As Somalia becomes stronger and less corrupt the tone of Ethiopia and Kenya changes...

Would it be wise from the Somalis in that region to advocate for a strong Somali state that they can use as a leverage when dealing with other Kenyan clans?

Who benefits from Somalia’s unity the most, Somalis from Somalia or Somalis from neighboring countries.

If you live in NFD or the Somali region in Ethiopia and you’re calling for the collapse of the Somali Central government then you are shooting yourselves in the foot.
Kismaayo21
I am talking about the Identity, K5 people now want to become Ethiopians and if a referendum is held they will likely stay with Ethiopia in the past they always considered themselves non-Ethiopian but Ethiopians never considered them "settlers" in NFD they were considered settlers in their own land and often treated worse.

Re: Who has refused the most the Somalis Identity: Kenya or Ethiopia?

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2018 7:13 pm
by Khalid Ali
Kenya is a nice country uhuro is a good fellow
Ethiopia is a great country the land of Abyssinia