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Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:31 am
by samirir
I just wanted to know why since it was written 250 years after the Prophet(pbuh). If you read the hadith the narration goes back to 20 people. Bukhari heard ibn Fulan say that ibn fulan say that ibn fulan say that ibn fulan say that ibn fulan say that he heard Aisha say that the prophet said this. Since the Hadith is man made does that mean we can discard it? And Allah promised He will preserve his Book not the Hadith. Right now if all the kafirs took over the Muslim world burnt the Quran theres Hafids who still memorize it and we'll be printing new Quran books in no time. Quran was made easy to memorize. But who ever memorized a hadith word for word? I can't believe 90% of what we follow comes from scholars. How do you know a hadith hasn't been changed?
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:15 pm
by original dervish
Your straying very close to Kufr......be careful.
Numerous Surahs command the Muslims to obey the Prophet (swt) and follow his sunnah.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:36 pm
by samirir
original dervish wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:15 pm
Your straying very close to Kufr......be careful.
Numerous Surahs command the Muslims to obey the Prophet (swt) and follow his sunnah.
His sunnah? Who said it was his sunnah since it was written by men 250 years after his death? Who's hadith is right? Shia hadith or Sunni hadith?
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:05 am
by Almakhzumi
samirir wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:36 pm
original dervish wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:15 pm
Your straying very close to Kufr......be careful.
Numerous Surahs command the Muslims to obey the Prophet (swt) and follow his sunnah.
His sunnah? Who said it was his sunnah since it was written by men 250 years after his death? Who's hadith is right? Shia hadith or Sunni hadith?
The isnad on shia hadith is not to be followed by sunnis because its weak according to the sunni way of finding weak and sahih hadith.
Are you rejecting the aaxad hadith as well as the mutwaatir or just the aaxad? If you're rejecting both, then you are indeed very close to kufr. Be careful.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:43 am
by samirir
Almakhzumi wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 8:05 am
samirir wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:36 pm
original dervish wrote: Wed Oct 24, 2018 6:15 pm
Your straying very close to Kufr......be careful.
Numerous Surahs command the Muslims to obey the Prophet (swt) and follow his sunnah.
His sunnah? Who said it was his sunnah since it was written by men 250 years after his death? Who's hadith is right? Shia hadith or Sunni hadith?
The isnad on shia hadith is not to be followed by sunnis because its weak according to the sunni way of finding weak and sahih hadith.
Are you rejecting the aaxad hadith as well as the mutwaatir or just the aaxad? If you're rejecting both, then you are indeed very close to kufr. Be careful.
Most hadith are narrations from other narrators. It doesn't come straight from the sahaba or nabi. Aaxad means what? Plus, who's to say who is right? They reject our hadith too and call it weak. So basically it's faith more than logic. Hadith can be changed. Imagine someone burn all the hadith it would be end of islam.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:30 am
by Django
This guy is a quraniyon a sect that was created by an egyptian engineer.They know that by disowning the hadiths of trustworthy individuals this gives a room for multiple intrrpratation of the Quran.
The chain of narrations is important.Just like today if you write a book about medicine or other fields you need to source it.The same way the hadiths are they are sourced because there are alot of fabricated hadiths.
One of them is the prophet saying seeking knowledge is important even if you seek it as far as China.
The hadiths explain the Quran.How would you deduce the number of rakas in Fajr,Dhuhur,Asr,Maghrib Isha etc?
Where in the Quran is it written? So you cant rely on your intelligence to interpret the Quran.The Quran says "Fas al ahla dhikr inkutum la ta3lamun." Meaning ask people of knowledge if you dont understand the deen.So learning Arabic naxwi and trying to decrypt its meaning using your limited knowledge eould cause corruption
Allah says in the Quran that if the whims,desires of beings were allowed as guidance there would be corruption in the heavens and in the earth.So please enough with your whims and desires of hadiths being phased out.for the last close to 2 millenium the muslims were using hadiths to interpret the Quran.So who are you and what is the level of Islamic knowledge you have to undermine the hadith?
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:38 am
by maygaag60
Denying the Sunnah is essentially denying the Qur'an, because those that conveyed the Qur'aan also conveyed the Sunnah. You either denounce them both or accept them both.
Moreover, people memorize the Hadith just like the Qur'aan is memorized. False argument.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:13 pm
by original dervish
A lot of shayatiin and munafiqs ( not referring to the op), attempt to sew confusion and disputes among the Muslims regarding their religion.
There is even a hadith that predicts this very situation.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:47 pm
by bakooradBoy
There is a hadith that says to drink camel urine, anybody interested? my bladder is full
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:52 am
by samirir
Django wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 9:30 am
This guy is a quraniyon a sect that was created by an egyptian engineer.They know that by disowning the hadiths of trustworthy individuals this gives a room for multiple intrrpratation of the Quran.
The chain of narrations is important.Just like today if you write a book about medicine or other fields you need to source it.The same way the hadiths are they are sourced because there are alot of fabricated hadiths.
One of them is the prophet saying seeking knowledge is important even if you seek it as far as China.
The hadiths explain the Quran.How would you deduce the number of rakas in Fajr,Dhuhur,Asr,Maghrib Isha etc?
Where in the Quran is it written? So you cant rely on your intelligence to interpret the Quran.The Quran says "Fas al ahla dhikr inkutum la ta3lamun." Meaning ask people of knowledge if you dont understand the deen.So learning Arabic naxwi and trying to decrypt its meaning using your limited knowledge eould cause corruption
Allah says in the Quran that if the whims,desires of beings were allowed as guidance there would be corruption in the heavens and in the earth.So please enough with your whims and desires of hadiths being phased out.for the last close to 2 millenium the muslims were using hadiths to interpret the Quran.So who are you and what is the level of Islamic knowledge you have to undermine the hadith?
So are you going based off faith or based on logic? Because there's no proof that Bukhari even wrote this or existed. I'm just trying to see if anyone can justify the use of hadith logically. What if Allah wanted us to decrypt the Quran for ourselves? You don't know and you can't act like you know. You know the hadith that are dhaif and sahih today were graded by Sheikh Albani? And I'm not saying I say this but what if I'm doing dawah and a nonMuslim asks me "Ok you say this is from God but how come your God doesn't tell you how to pray in his own book, you rely on scholars and men for most of your religion."
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:56 am
by samirir
maygaag60 wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 11:38 am
Denying the Sunnah is essentially denying the Qur'an, because those that conveyed the Qur'aan also conveyed the Sunnah. You either denounce them both or accept them both.
Moreover, people memorize the Hadith just like the Qur'aan is memorized. False argument.
You're just repeating the same talking point. What is proof that this is the Sunnah? Why wasn't the sunnah written in the Quran? When Allah said "I completed for you this religion" in the Quran are you saying it wasn't completed then??? How do I know the Prophet did that? Shias say he did something else and to be fair. Their books are much earlier than ours. Btw, if the enemies of Islam burned all the hadiths and killed all the scholars would Islam die out. Those are hard questions.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:00 am
by samirir
original dervish wrote: Thu Oct 25, 2018 1:13 pm
A lot of shayatiin and munafiqs ( not referring to the op), attempt to sew confusion and disputes among the Muslims regarding their religion.
There is even a hadith that predicts this very situation.
Well, how can you rationally explain this? I'm not trying to antagonize. Maybe this can make your Iman stronger. Your iman is strong once you can logically defend your position. When ever I talk to other Muslims about the hadith they sound like Christian's trying to explain the trinity. So are you saying you follow the hadith based on faith and not logic?
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:24 am
by Django
Nin yahow you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.People like you are sumun bukmun cumyun.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:56 pm
by samirir
Django wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:24 am
Nin yahow you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.People like you are sumun bukmun cumyun.
I'm a dawah guy and I want a rational explanation for this.
Re: Why do most Muslims follow Hadith?
Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:22 am
by Django
samirir wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:56 pm
Django wrote: Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:24 am
Nin yahow you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.People like you are sumun bukmun cumyun.
I'm a dawah guy and I want a rational explanation for this.
How can you be a dawah person without even basic knowledge?
The Quran was passed down to us trhough oral literature generation to generation so are the hadiths.
I think you are just another somali gal posing as a muslim and trying to throw doubt in peoples mind.Well this is not the platform.Dont expose yourself we can see from a mile who is genuine or who has been infected with the orientalists beliefs.
Be genuine to yourself first and foremost.