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I think the US will push for Mogadishu-Hargeisa talks

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And unlike the past talks, they may actually request the two bring solid agreements within specific time.

The US will definitely push for the reunion and restoration of Somali Republic but they may offer SL few deals that they can't refuse (take this or be isolated). They may offer self-rule like Kurdistan, huge financial aid but they have to drop secession and come under Mogadishu.


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The US wants to roll back the Chinese influence and keep the Russians at bay.

They will invest heavily in Somali Republic and they may ask for the return of Berbera either replacing the UAE or next to them. Well UAE has no good reason to be in the region once Yemen war is put to an end. It looks like it will soon be.
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Re: I think the US will push for Mogadishu-Hargeisa talks

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I doubt there will be any talks in the forseable future between Somaliland and Amisom.. and every point had been exhausted between 2012 and 2015... who knows maybe after 2025 but today there is no chance for it . Somaliland will never back down from its nationalistic interest and it's rightful place in the world.. the cancerous union is dead and there is a bigger chance kismayo becoming under kenya under kenya Italian Somalia further disentigrating.. the USA is just scared the shiinee will surpass them in Africa. And they should worry since Jabuuti invited shinaha there.
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Reer waqooyi marqaans anarchy and lowlesness is over soon weather you like or not.





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Pure wishful thinking from the traitors self styled ‘Jeegaan-diid’ and the Italian illegitimate orphans - under no circumstance will SL throw away it’s hard won independence to reunite with savage Zoomalia next door and no power on earth can do anything about it. We bow down to only God
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Federland government talks with somaliland was cosmetic it was a way to get out of the transitional period which required regional authorities consent, which siilanyo and faroole gave

russia is land power why would they need a base in africa, i dont think you idoors understand russian geopolitics.

american dont like dealing with somali regions, they deal only with regions that are about have strategic important pentagon indian ocean strategy in 21st century namely inter river states and tribes and puntland north east corner

america is planing to build massive navy bases in the south, properly in kismaayo and they are building airforce base in balidogle.

america is constructing a group 4 (the cia guys during siad barre in the 80s) like intelligence and security apparatus in somalia.
americans are training security officials in virginia, ohio and halane.

somaliland has no strategic importance in post cold war because the creation of djoubuti cancelled any significance of somaliland to world geopolitics, and the return of eritrea to the international system will even reduce somaliland.

the only reason somaliland important after 2006 was do to the war on terror so since america has planted its roots koonfur with bases and public support i dont think america cares for the regions, why care when you have the the government on your side

somaliland only makes strategic sense to ethiopians who fear invasion from sland into the core of ethiopia through the awash valley.

look at google earth and you will see the massive construction taking place in balidogle airport, that base is monitored 24/7 through spy satellites

balidogle is becoming the Incirlik Air Base and Ramstein Air Base of africa

mogadishu politicians know they have the ear washington policy makers due to the pentagons growing footprint in south somalia hence the federal governments confidence in dealing with geopolitical actors and local spoilers.

once the houston oil meeting happens the american financial community will align with the pentagon then america will offer somalia security umbrella and general mattis already gave some hints to that nature

if i was somaliland i would keep my mouth shut and stay under the radder
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The only strategic part of Somali peninsula is berbera to Djibouti. The gulf of Aden and Red Sea is the second busiest shipping route in the world. It links east and west. Somalia is not located in a strategic location. The Indian Ocean is a quite shipping route, no significance. Even back in the 70s and 80s when Somalia was united the Russians and US were only interested in berbera. Low IQ merehan actually believe somalia is more strategic than somaliland.

The US long built a base in Baledogle. They use this base to fight alshabab nothing more. The US and others run xalane, Somalis can’t work there or set up business, this is so embarrassing. US is going to loot everything it has nothing to offer a weak paper government in Amisomland.

As for Somalia and somaliland talks, there is going to be none with Farmajos paper government who tried to undermine SL. Somalia and somaliland uniting again is a dream, somaliland government and 97% of the people are pro somaliland independence. We will never give up our sovereignty to unite with a failed state.
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bashe19 wrote: Mon Nov 19, 2018 7:25 am Reer waqooyi marqaans anarchy and lowlesness is over soon weather you like or not.





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I don’t think you can speak proper English and don’t know what your talking about.
Somaliland has no anarchy or lawlessness. Somaliland has a fully functioning government, there is low and order.
However Somalia has anarchy and no rule of law. Your just a typical low IQ merehan.
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Typhoon

Long long essay of zero substance. More about your cuqdad than analyses on the ongoing geostrategic shifts.


Berbera like Djibouti is far more strategic location to control this point of entry than the wide Indian ocean where southern Somalia sits.

The number of bases in Djibouti speaks volume (compared to Kenya/Mombasa). The US had its base in Berbera as did the Russians.

The US operates small airstrip in the south and it will remain that but to confront the Chinese and Russians, it’s either Berbera or Djibouti. But since the Chinese are already in Djibouti it would be wiser to contain them there and secure Berbera first.

It’s all about this narrow entry.
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AwRastaale wrote: Mon Nov 19, 2018 9:13 am Typhoon

Long long essay of zero substance. More about your cuqdad than analyses on the ongoing geostrategic shifts.


Berbera like Djibouti is far more strategic location to control this point of entry than the wide Indian ocean where southern Somalia sits.

The number of bases in Djibouti speaks volume. The US had its base in Berbera as did the Russians.

The US operates small airstrip in the south and it will remain that but to confront the Chinese and Russians, it’s either Berbera or Djibouti. But since the Chinese are already in Djibouti it would be wiser to contain them there and secure Berbera first.
soviet union never wanted a base in berbera it was siad barre that requested from them.
russia doesnt need a base in africa first off all russia doesnt have a big navy nor could they deffend their suply chain to berbera, only a emotional idoor would think a land-power would contest the seas with america

the gulf of aden is only important to the europeans whos global trade goes to the gulf of aden, the only country that would contest it is china, string of pearls strategy and iran(you can make alliance with china or iran :lol: )
what makes somaliland strategically important and not puntland even though puntland has a ocean and a seas


second america already has Djibouti why would they want base in the same area.
the only reason america used berbera airstrip in the 80s was to resupply somali armed forcesa and they kept it as secondery option for their space shuttle incase it needed a emergency run way

third majority of chinees natural resources will go from east africa into the strait of malacca and into the south china sea hence why the chinees are building rail and road links into east africa coast.

djoubuti has bab al mandab what does berbera have it has no major choke point
US 6th fleet is in medeternian and the 5 fleet is in persian gulf it needs room to manouver since iranian missile and unconventional capabilities is seriously puting strains on the american fleet based in bahrain.

america always used kismaayo for their navy after all thats why they build the port of kismaayo in the first place.
america is building 16 bases in somalia thats why there is massieve american army corps of engineers surveying koonfur.
farmaajo already granted them land hence the constant movement cargo planes with heavy equipment.
if you look at balidogle airpace you see a drone parked

berbera and somaliland only makes strategic sense from ethiopian grand strategy

anywayz geopolitics requires healthy and strategic mind and not idoor tribal and emotional outburst

every year for the last 20 years you have been telling as everything is games changer the truth is the world doesnt see value in somaliland,fact you can take to the bank
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You wish you fking amxaar , traitor. Somaliland sovereignty is not negotiable , the holy Republic will never give up one single pillar of its ambitious plans. We will rather slaughter millions of our enemies and self hating traitors like you . We established Somaliland by the barrel if the gun it can only be taken from us through the same method. Not politics. Go fk your self you fking coward.
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Short sighted people independence isn’t the be all and end all. Also if you look at country’s that have separated the winning rebel group takes over the whole country then makes a deal with a weaker group to divide the country and puts them in place like the Eritreans did with tplf. Tbh I would push for taking as much power as possible and having good relations with hawiye and dir
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We will wait till xarmajo is out of office then talk with the next hawiye who comes to power
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Aw Oromo, Somalilands sovereignty is none negotiable, blood has been shed for this struggle, it didn't come cheap.

lay of the raw meat, it's killing what ever brain cells you had, if any.
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Muqadisho holds all the cards the other side will come
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The idea of SL is running out of steam , it would be good if a united SL come together as one voice but now it seems they are coming laf-laf ? Garxejis/HY , Dhulbahante , Gudabirsi and Warsangeli etc.
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