Question for x.playa and the rest of the hashmites?

[Salaxbaashe]

One of the rebuttals for isaaq being mentioned as Dir in poetry you guys came up with was that in some cases Dir can mean somalis in general and not specific tribe.

If that’s the case why is darood not under this umbrella?

[LeJusticier]

One of the rebuttals for isaaq being mentioned as Dir in poetry you guys came up with was that in some cases Dir can mean somalis in general and not specific tribe.

If that’s the case why is darood not under this umbrella?

I told you earlier, Dir has to meaning in Somali

1-Small tribe that live Koonfur
2-Dir=ancestry. Dad isku farac ah

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[Ben Dover]

What umbrella?

Isaaq is a stand alone clan, politicians created this Dir thing out of thin air after the union of Somaliland and Somalia. What is laughable is that the proponents of this Dir BS have a single piece of evidence whenever they are asked to substantiate this claim, and that is a poetic verse by some doofaar ismaacil, as if doofaar ismaaciil buraanbur is the arbiter of lineage. And if that is the case, then by the myriad Isaaq poetic verses that describe doofaar ismaacil as midgaan, then the doofaars should accept their true lineage to be midgan since it is in Isaaq poetic folklore.

Besides, the meaning of Dir in that specific verse was explained by Xplaya and Lejusticier in detail.

Isaaq not being an Arab does not automatically = Isaaq is Dir. Isaaq has always been a stand alone clan.

[Salaxbaashe]

Ok so where does the saying Dir iyo darood come from. Because if we aren’t Dir surely darood kama xigno Dir.

[Ben Dover]

Who gives a shit where it comes from?

It could be some darod boasting to dir or vice versa, are you basing your entire lineage on a line by a doofaar ismaacil bard or a random expression?

[Salaxbaashe]

Even isaaq poets refer to themselves as Dir. what intrest would darood have in referring to us as Dir in the jaahiliya days. Where does the maha dir linage come from because there is a Dir clan called isaaq somewhere out there.

To me it seems more that you don’t want to be Dir than us not actually being Dir. I don’t understand why would want to be a black arab. An akhdam instead of a somaal.

[Ben Dover]

You have presented absolutely 0 evidence to back up your claim, other than some poem by a darod.

Who said anything about Arab?

Do you have comprehension problems?

Isaaq not being an Arab does not automatically = Isaaq is Dir.

Niether Isaaq nor Darod are arabs, and neither of them are Dir either.

[theyuusuf143]

Even isaaq poets refer to themselves as Dir. what intrest would darood have in referring to us as Dir in the jaahiliya days. Where does the maha dir linage come from because there is a Dir clan called isaaq somewhere out there.

To me it seems more that you don’t want to be Dir than us not actually being Dir. I don’t understand why would want to be a black arab. An akhdam instead of a somaal.

That's the point. Neither isaaqs nor daaroods has no any evidence supporting their claim to the prophet's family. But we have evidence that somalis are all related or closely related. And their closest kin are not the Arabs but the Oromos and Afar . Claiming saadat or sayidat is common myth in all Muslim countries.

We also know that clans are not necessarily related by blood, it's like me and you forming (jeegan) and turning it into real qabiil through the years. The people of isaaq has always been part of the Dir community if you look at the Dir version of isaaq abtirsi, it's more believable and very logic. We have siblings, and other relatives all over the Horn , none of them denied our brotherhood


These hashimite akhdaams of isaaq and daarood ,
claim people they don't know , and they are not even accepted any where in jaziiraratul carab. They have no arab siblings , it's like they fall from the sky , and the holy sheikhs fked a bunch of black gilrs naked in sanaag . Use your brain .

[Ben Dover]

TheYusuf, bal aan far waaweyn kuugu qoro:

Neither Isaaq nor Darod are Arabs.

That myth is long dead.

The fact that you lot are harping on about it shows you know your Dir myth to also be equally fake.

[theyuusuf143]

TheYusuf, bal aan far waaweyn kuugu qoro:

Neither Isaaq nor Darod are Arabs.

That myth is long dead.

The fact that you lot are harping on about it shows you know your Dir myth to also be equally fake.

Your myth is died. Not mine. I am not suggesting that Dir is purely blood related clan. But at least I know Dir is community that we are one of it's members , and share common values . You must prove that isaaq is not Dir Because you are the plaintiff and I am the defendant.

[Ben Dover]

No you are not. I am happy with Isaaq being a stand alone clan. It is you who is making the claim Isaaq is part of another clan called Dir based on a poem by a doofaar ismaacil.

You have absolutely zero evidence to justify your claims.

On the other hand I can simply refer you to every single Isaaq person who knows his/her abtirsi to Isaaq, not mythical Dir. The descriptions of Somali clans prior to the union report Isaaq as a stand alone clan along with Dir and Darood. Even in politics, the reason Dir went into an alliance with doofaar ismaacil in Somaliland's politics prior to independence was due to the fact that they were a separate clan from Isaaq.

TheYusuf nin maskax leh baan kugu ogaa inadeer.

[theyuusuf143]

No you are not. I am happy with Isaaq being a stand alone clan. It is you who is making the claim Isaaq is part of another clan called Dir based on a poem by a doofaar ismaacil.

You have absolutely zero evidence to justify your claims.

On the other hand I can simply refer you to every single Isaaq person who knows his/her abtirsi to Isaaq, not mythical Dir. The descriptions of Somali clans prior to the union report Isaaq as a stand alone clan along with Dir and Darood. Even in politics, the reason Dir went into an alliance with doofaar ismaacil in Somaliland's politics prior to independence was due to the fact that they were a separate clan from Isaaq.

TheYusuf nin maskax leh baan kugu ogaa inadeer.

Every ciise and Gadabuursi person is the Same, they can hardly recite their abtirsi beyond their sub clans, what's so especial about isaaq ? Almost every Dir subclan have their unique identity . I proved and agreed that isaaq has nothing to do with hashimites. now it's your turn to prove that isaaq is has nothing to do with Dir .

You can't stand alone , you must be related to some people. You are not a rock we are people

[Ben Dover]

Every ciise and Gadabuursi person is the Same, they can hardly recite their abtirsi beyond their sub clans, what's so especial about isaaq ? Almost every Dir subclan have their unique identity . I proved and agreed that isaaq has nothing to do with hashimites. now it's your turn to prove that isaaq is has nothing to do with Dir .

You can't stand alone , you must be related to some people. You are not a rock we are people

Whether Ciise or Gadaboursi can not recite their abtirsi to Dir is neither here nor there. They acknowledge they are Dir, Isaaq doesnt. Academic studies done prior to independence also disagrees with you, and so does political history of the region.

Waryaa, it is you who is making the claim, contrary to all Isaaq abtirsi, that Isaaq is Dir. It falls on you to prove it. So far you have only provided some random verse by a f-king doofaar ismaacil of all people.

I am afraid the Dir myth is getting exposed just like the Hashimite myth

Isaaq, Darood, Hawiye, Dir, these are stand alone groups.

You are very confused.

[theyuusuf143]

Isaaq is not stand alone clan and we will never walk alone , every human being should have a group of family. We are related to Dir , and Samaales, cushitic and then it goes on and on . Why do you want be alone are you depressed ?

[Ben Dover]

You have still not provided any evidence

We can be related under the Somali umbrella, but not in lineage, for the simple reason that this Isaaq is Dir business was invented for political purposes.