When will Xamar the capital be free from foreign forces?

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When will Xamar the capital be free from foreign forces?

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Its more than a decade and we still have fufu forces guarding the jewel of Somalia.

How come Danab is not replacing AMISOM Uganda in Xamar we see them with all the necessary equipment and gear.

Also when is failmajo going to set a side Somalia marines to be trainned?
Somalia has no marine forces no wonder there are illegal trawlers, toxic waste being damped in the sea.
Even now when kenya will lose the case in Hague the disputed territory has no one to guard.
Ethiopia is currently being trainned by EU and US to build a navy and they have bought fridgets and battle ships.
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Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:45 am Its more than a decade and we still have fufu forces guarding the jewel of Somalia.

How come Danab is not replacing AMISOM Uganda in Xamar we see them with all the necessary equipment and gear.

Also when is failmajo going to set a side Somalia marines to be trainned?
Somalia has no marine forces no wonder there are illegal trawlers, toxic waste being damped in the sea.
Even now when kenya will lose the case in Hague the disputed territory has no one to guard.
Ethiopia is currently being trainned by EU and US to build a navy and they have bought fridgets and battle ships.
I have come to the conclusion that what Somalia needs is a benevolent dictator. Similar to how siad barre was until he became tribalistic. This leader needs to lead Somalia with an iron fist and crush qabilism and he needs to play his rivals against each other to eliminate al shabaab. After a few decades of development we will have the awood to annex kilinka 5 and the NFD. If not, then it is better for Somalia to disintegrate into smaller states and work out a system similar to Switzerland although this will probably lead to annexation by our neighbours.
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Foreign troops and bases are springing up everywhere in Somalia from Xamar all the way to Raskambooni.
Its more of scramble and partition fo Somalia Brussells 2.
AS is not sofisticated nor are they technologucal survy there is someone provuding them with intel and logistics and its more of foreign meddling.The magnitude of bombs exploding in xamar points the fact that these bombs come from one of the foreign bases in Xamar.

How come AS dont attack Ugandan forces or the foreign bases? People want us to beleive they have no ability but that is sheer bolox.If AS can denoted massive bombs in Xamar and kill large masses how can they not be able to attack foreign bases?
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Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:28 am Foreign troops and bases are springing up everywhere in Somalia from Xamar all the way to Raskambooni.

AS is not sofisticated nor are they technologucal survy there is someone provuding them with intel and logistics and its more of foreign meddling.The magnitude of bombs exploding in xamar points the fact that these bombs come from one of the foreign bases in Xamar.

How come AS dont attack Ugandan forces or the foreign bases? People want us to beleive they have no ability but that is sheer bolox.If AS can denoted massive bombs in Xamar and kill large masses how can they not be able to attack foreign bases?
Speaking of AS attacking military bases of African forces in Somalia, why did the US allow AS to attack military bases and kill hundreds of Kenyan, Rwandan and other African forces in Somalia? I'm referring to attacks such as this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Adde
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Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:28 am Foreign troops and bases are springing up everywhere in Somalia from Xamar all the way to Raskambooni.
Its more of scramble and partition fo Somalia Brussells 2.
AS is not sofisticated nor are they technologucal survy there is someone provuding them with intel and logistics and its more of foreign meddling.The magnitude of bombs exploding in xamar points the fact that these bombs come from one of the foreign bases in Xamar.

How come AS dont attack Ugandan forces or the foreign bases? People want us to beleive they have no ability but that is sheer bolox.If AS can denoted massive bombs in Xamar and kill large masses how can they not be able to attack foreign bases?
They do attack amisom bases. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... -base.html
This is one example in leego where they killed around 70 Kenyans. As for AS these guys have insiders working for the government that is well known. There are certain areas such as suuqa xoolaha in xamar where they control at night. They have a well organised and efficient structure. They are also good at brainwashing youths and sometimes it is difficult to fight someone who is not afraid of death sxb. As for funding I’m sure they are funded by these gulf folks who don’t mind people suffering as long as it is not their own. The reason these guys are increasing attacks areas in xamar is due to the fact they are losing control elsewhere and it is a method they use to demonstrate they still have power.
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paperino wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:44 am
Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:28 am Foreign troops and bases are springing up everywhere in Somalia from Xamar all the way to Raskambooni.

AS is not sofisticated nor are they technologucal survy there is someone provuding them with intel and logistics and its more of foreign meddling.The magnitude of bombs exploding in xamar points the fact that these bombs come from one of the foreign bases in Xamar.

How come AS dont attack Ugandan forces or the foreign bases? People want us to beleive they have no ability but that is sheer bolox.If AS can denoted massive bombs in Xamar and kill large masses how can they not be able to attack foreign bases?
Speaking of AS attacking military bases of African forces in Somalia, why did the US allow AS to attack military bases and kill hundreds of Kenyan, Rwandan and other African forces in Somalia? I'm referring to attacks such as this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_El_Adde
There was no Uhuru relatives in Cel cade they were more
Dispensable unit.

You can kill all the Kenyan troops in Somalia and uhuru will not lose any sleep he will just replace them with the thousands of unemployed youth in Kenya.

AS is a cartel and they work for whoever pays them for assignments.

The Celcade incident might have been either a deliberate attempt by Kenya to gain funding and support from the west or an Ethiopian proxy war to extend its influence in JL.
But I beleive the theory of Kenyan involvement.There were alot of Kenyan swahili speaking AS folks heard in vids circualted by AS on this matter on how they overran the camp.If there was no neglegence or complacency in Celcade how come AS never attacked deep inside Kenya?NFD how come they never overran any military post? With all the survelillance in place and the US involvement.Someone surely slept in their job or was it deliberate incident its more like the West gate incident in Nairobi. Where till today alot does not add up.They have never captured the perpetrors who they claim were diaspora Somalis.

The war on terror is an industry by itself where countries get unrestricted funding and support from the west further more they dont need to be accountable for its expenditure kenya being financialy broke needs such money badly.
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Mk777 wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:47 am
Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:28 am Foreign troops and bases are springing up everywhere in Somalia from Xamar all the way to Raskambooni.
Its more of scramble and partition fo Somalia Brussells 2.
AS is not sofisticated nor are they technologucal survy there is someone provuding them with intel and logistics and its more of foreign meddling.The magnitude of bombs exploding in xamar points the fact that these bombs come from one of the foreign bases in Xamar.

How come AS dont attack Ugandan forces or the foreign bases? People want us to beleive they have no ability but that is sheer bolox.If AS can denoted massive bombs in Xamar and kill large masses how can they not be able to attack foreign bases?
They do attack amisom bases. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldn ... -base.html
This is one example in leego where they killed around 70 Kenyans. As for AS these guys have insiders working for the government that is well known. There are certain areas such as suuqa xoolaha in xamar where they control at night. They have a well organised and efficient structure. They are also good at brainwashing youths and sometimes it is difficult to fight someone who is not afraid of death sxb. As for funding I’m sure they are funded by these gulf folks who don’t mind people suffering as long as it is not their own. The reason these guys are increasing attacks areas in xamar is due to the fact they are losing control elsewhere and it is a method they use to demonstrate they still have power.
Please dont provide me with cadan sources.

Burundi troops who were fericious in their fight against AS in shabeloyinka realised the naked trooth and withdrew from key strategic areas when they were attacked and over ran by AS while the Ethiopian Amisom was safe and sound and they warent that far from them. they latter found out that it was Ethiopia that was selling them out thats when they stopped sharing intel with Ethiopian forces and moved there bases further away from Ethiopian bases the attacks scaled down.
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I think around 2035
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Good question..
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Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:01 am There was no Uhuru relatives in Cel cade they were more
Dispensable unit.

You can kill all the Kenyan troops in Somalia and uhuru will not lose any sleep he will just replace them with the thousands of unemployed youth in Kenya.

AS is a cartel and they work for whoever pays them for assignments.

The Celcade incident might have been either a deliberate attempt by Kenya to gain funding and support from the west or an Ethiopian proxy war to extend its influence in JL.
But I beleive the theory of Kenyan involvement.There were alot of Kenyan swahili speaking AS folks heard in vids circualted by AS on this matter on how they overran the camp.If there was no neglegence or complacency in Celcade how come AS never attacked deep inside Kenya?NFD how come they never overran any military post? With all the survelillance in place and the US involvement.Someone surely slept in their job or was it deliberate incident its more like the West gate incident in Nairobi. Where till today alot does not add up.They have never captured the perpetrors who they claim were diaspora Somalis.

The war on terror is an industry by itself where countries get unrestricted funding and support from the west further more they dont need to be accountable for its expenditure kenya being financialy broke needs such money badly.
Uhuru's relatives in the army aren't gonna be anywhere near where there's action or combat; so the argument that his relatives weren't in Cel cade isn't convincing. The argument that the attack could be a "deliberate attempt by Kenya to gain funding and support from the west" isn't convincing, 'cause the CIA would know about it. The CIA would also know about an "Ethiopian proxy war to extend its influence in JL", so that also isn't convincing.

In an earlier comment, you stated:
AS is funded by Mosad and CIA.If the west was genuine about fighting against AS they would have empowered the locals all these activities is just a cover up for them to thwart Chinese threat as well as any genuine Islamic revivial in the region.

I do beleive they have a link with AS.
There is a big US military base outside Kismaayo and. In Xalanle and US ships patrol the seas.

They know where AS is their names their backgrounds and their security details yet we are told that they are ghosts .Thats is bolox.
Farmajo needs to invite Putin to Somalia and we will see if AS can survive after a year.
Mosad and the CIA also work with both Kenyan & Ethiopian govs, and provide funds, logistics, intel, training, arms, weapons, etc.

Given:

a. AS is a client of Mosad & the CIA, and the latter "know where AS is their names their backgrounds and their security details."

b. Both Kenyan & Ethiopian govs are clients of the US, and the CIA knows about or even coordinates their mission & activities in Somalia.

Q; why did the US let AS massacre hundreds of Kenyan forces in Cel cade?
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The two most difficult terrains to deal with guerrilla warfare is in mountains and forests. Mogadishu will always be vulnerable to attack due to lower shabeele forests until the real causes of Al shabaab are sorted and that's the rights of non darood and hawiye in the South who make up a massive population. Once thats sorted out the foreign fighters and pure extremists will be picked off as they will have nowhere to turn.
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MajorIgaare wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:42 pm
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paperino wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:26 pm
Django wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:01 am There was no Uhuru relatives in Cel cade they were more
Dispensable unit.

You can kill all the Kenyan troops in Somalia and uhuru will not lose any sleep he will just replace them with the thousands of unemployed youth in Kenya.

AS is a cartel and they work for whoever pays them for assignments.

The Celcade incident might have been either a deliberate attempt by Kenya to gain funding and support from the west or an Ethiopian proxy war to extend its influence in JL.
But I beleive the theory of Kenyan involvement.There were alot of Kenyan swahili speaking AS folks heard in vids circualted by AS on this matter on how they overran the camp.If there was no neglegence or complacency in Celcade how come AS never attacked deep inside Kenya?NFD how come they never overran any military post? With all the survelillance in place and the US involvement.Someone surely slept in their job or was it deliberate incident its more like the West gate incident in Nairobi. Where till today alot does not add up.They have never captured the perpetrors who they claim were diaspora Somalis.

The war on terror is an industry by itself where countries get unrestricted funding and support from the west further more they dont need to be accountable for its expenditure kenya being financialy broke needs such money badly.
Uhuru's relatives in the army aren't gonna be anywhere near where there's action or combat; so the argument that his relatives weren't in Cel cade isn't convincing. The argument that the attack could be a "deliberate attempt by Kenya to gain funding and support from the west" isn't convincing, 'cause the CIA would know about it. The CIA would also know about an "Ethiopian proxy war to extend its influence in JL", so that also isn't convincing.

In an earlier comment, you stated:
AS is funded by Mosad and CIA.If the west was genuine about fighting against AS they would have empowered the locals all these activities is just a cover up for them to thwart Chinese threat as well as any genuine Islamic revivial in the region.

I do beleive they have a link with AS.
There is a big US military base outside Kismaayo and. In Xalanle and US ships patrol the seas.

They know where AS is their names their backgrounds and their security details yet we are told that they are ghosts .Thats is bolox.
Farmajo needs to invite Putin to Somalia and we will see if AS can survive after a year.
Mosad and the CIA also work with both Kenyan & Ethiopian govs, and provide funds, logistics, intel, training, arms, weapons, etc.

Given:

a. AS is a client of Mosad & the CIA, and the latter "know where AS is their names their backgrounds and their security details."

b. Both Kenyan & Ethiopian govs are clients of the US, and the CIA knows about or even coordinates their mission & activities in Somalia.

Q; why did the US let AS massacre hundreds of Kenyan forces in Cel cade?
Kenya is still in Somalia as piece keepers.
Secondly US has always made its army become.dispensible at times in wars because most of the mitary are recruited from poor backgrounds after vietnam.So if they are dispensible do you think they will care about Kenya? No be because AA hasnt taken ovser Kenya they just over ran a military post.Which gave publicity to how Amisom mitary in Somalia need to stay as well as need funding.That is why the US funding in the war against terror has been increased fro Kenya.In bith Obama and Donald trump presidency.

How many KDF AMISOM bases are in Somalia they are plenty how come AS has not overran all of them..Because that is not the objective.

Just like West gate Kenya AS attacked a mall and not all malls in Kenya.
The perpertrators of Cel cade were mostly of Kenyan background.

Yes AS has nothing to do with Jihad they are an evil organisation created to dismantle the framework of the somali society under the pretext of establishing a sharia state.
You cant expect recruits from bacgrounds of ex convicts, drug dealers, highway robbers ,drug abusers ,people who hardly prayed regular nor understand basic Islamic jurisprudence to establish Islamic state even if they carry Islamic shahada banners or scream and yell Allahu akbar a million times because deep inside their hearts they know they are imposters.hiding under niqab bombing somali civilians and destroying wealth and property.

I still stand by the fact that organisations like Al qaida, boko haram, ISIS etc these organisations have been created by enemies of Islam to undermine Islam.People that support them in diaspora are either undercover agents or people of Low IQ who dont understand Islam or have grievence/animosity against a certain qabil.
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All of these horeign machinations and intrigues can be defeated easily if the political class in Xamar is united under a single vision.

Every politician is sponsored by various foreign powers to pursue interests detrimental to Somali national interests.

I can't see any change to the status quo in the short to medium term.

The only possibility of defeating AS and rebuilding the country is if America take over.
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