Galjecel political strategy post 2020

[Mk777]

I have big hopes for Beesha in the next 10 years. The ultimate goal is for our own state to be carved from hiiraan region and to have a strong position in the jubaland region.

But first we have to analyse our situation in the now. We are third in hirshabelle state, jubaland haba sheegin were our nabadoons/ugaases get killed with no consequences. I believe we are at crossroads now, either we stay politically not influential at all at a national level and very average at regional level. As soon as our deegaans our free from shabaab we need to construct an airport as a matter of priority in hiiraan. Every buisnessman from beesha from those living in somaliland to Ras kamboni has to contribute. A hospital is already being planned in galbeed beledweyne but as we have no port it is crucial we have an airport to aid development and reduce dependence on our neighbours

Secondly we need to ensure all and I mean ALL of our deegaans in hirshabelle to be recognised although I believe sh shariif and the TFG recognised buq aqable I’m not sure about ceel Cali. Waare, the president of Hirshabelle and his Vice President have recently begun golaha deeganka scheme whilst all of our deegaans our mostly still under shabaab. We need in hiiraan minimum of 4+ : ceel Cali, buq aqable , mukayle, shaw, and more in middle shabelle such as gamboole jilyaale and others.

In jubaland we need to form a strong alliance with shiiqaal and liberate jilib with our own troops and saakow among other deegaans. This chaos represents an opportunity for us and I know Prof Mohamed Ali yarow is involved with this . We need to form a coalition with raxanweyn and others and boycott any maamul that gives shiiqaal and galjecel 3 kuraas in Parliament . We need to firmly reject any attempt of daarood SNA liberating our land and make sure it is liberated by the people of the land, gaaljecel shiiqaal etc to push away the support for shabaab from some of these people who Are marginalised

[Django]

Ok one question where do Galjecel live in Somaliland?
Dont start stealing qabils like you stole Hadaamo from.raxaweyn.
Which qabil in somaliland will you steal?

[Mk777]

Ok one question where do Galjecel live in Somaliland?
Dont start stealing qabils like you stole Hadaamo from.raxaweyn.
Which qabil in somaliland will you steal?

I have evidence sxb. https://www.eth.mpg.de/3709496/consulta ... r_2004.pdf
Read 21-23 and read from 31-33

[original dervish]

Mk777.....seems like a decent plan.
However, fighting AS might be a problem because you are AS......and I wouldn't worry about middle Jubba....no sna is gonna set foot in there anytime soon.

[Voltage]

Mk, no one is safe in Kismaayo, even Darood. The head of my own sub-clan was gunned down there and just yesterday you say the attack on wounding of the Majeerteen elder who was part of the opposition that wanted a different election.

Kismaayo is under a petty dictatorship functioning as a puppet for Kenyan control. Suldaan Rashiid was one of the senior most well known traditional leaders not only in Kismaayo but the whole country. I still remember when he and the Marehan traditional leader for Jubba, Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe Yaroow led that conference in Kismaayo early when the Kenyans came asking them to remove the Kamboni militia.

When finally Barre Hiiraale fought with the Kenyans and Kamboni only to lose and retreat to Goobweyn, Marehan whisked Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe out of Kismaayo. He has been temporarily headquartered in Mogadishu ever since waiting for the Kenyans to leave.

I am personally a huge fan of a strong friendship, brotherhood, and working relationship between Marehan and Gaaljecel in Jubbaland. Soon a time will come for serious reconciliation conference for Jubbaland and I hope in that time a serious accounting for the murder of Suldaan Raahiid Dhuraa will happen.

[Mk777]

Mk, no one is safe in Kismaayo, even Darood. The head of my own sub-clan was gunned down there and just yesterday you say the attack on wounding of the Majeerteen elder who was part of the opposition that wanted a different election.

Kismaayo is under a petty dictatorship functioning as a puppet for Kenyan control. Suldaan Rashiid was one of the senior most well known traditional leaders not only in Kismaayo but the whole country. I still remember when he and the Marehan traditional leader for Jubba, Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe Yaroow led that conference in Kismaayo early when the Kenyans came asking them to remove the Kamboni militia.

When finally Barre Hiiraale fought with the Kenyans and Kamboni only to lose and retreat to Goobweyn, Marehan whisked Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe out of Kismaayo. He has been temporarily headquartered in Mogadishu ever since waiting for the Kenyans to leave.

I am personally a huge fan of a strong friendship, brotherhood, and working relationship between Marehan and Gaaljecel in Jubbaland. Soon a time will come for serious reconciliation conference for Jubbaland and I hope in that time a serious accounting for the murder of Suldaan Raahiid Dhuraa will happen.

Yes sxb inshalah everyone who was murdered will get justice. I heard madoobe usually gets people of the same tribe to carry out his assassinations.
I also believe the galjecel of the jubbas should Leave “hawiye” as it is not in their interests politically at all. Only the ones in hiiraan and the shabelles have an advantage in being part of the “hawiye” family for now. Some people believe the ones in hiiraan etc became hawiye after 1991 but this is not the case.

[zumaale]

One thing you are forgetting is that for you to have future political representation in Jubbaland you will need to be elected from a district. Neither yourselves or the Sheekhaal form a majority in any of Jubbaland's districts. The Sheekhaal have a scattered presence in towns like Xaramka, Hosingow etc whilst you mainly live in the Mii of Kismaayo next to the Cawramale.

For instance, Jilib is demographically predominately Bantu. The grazing land West of the Shabelle is settled by a number of Maay and Somali speaking clans. OG's dominate in the strip of land West of the Jubba River all the way to Dasheeg Waamo whilst the land West of the Shabelle River bordering the Indian Ocean and Jammaame District is overwhelmingly Biimaal grazing land.

Furthermore, population wise, Maay speakers (Jareer and Jileec)) dominate Saakow. However. most of the land in the district is OG grazing land so it would be folly to attach oneself to it.

Galjeecel and Sheekhal have both benefited from being labelled 'Hawiye' in Jubbaland as Xassan Sheikh's government lobbied Axmed Madoobe during the formation of Jubbaland to give you guys more seats so 'Hawiye' could have representation in Jubbaland. Thus, it is in your interests to still associate yourself with the Hawiye clan IMO.

[TheSonOfMayle]

Carve up hiiraan kkkkkkk, there’s a national consensus on state sovereignty. If Siad barre didn’t carve up hiiraan, what makes you think you can do it. how can you fight AS if you’re AS yourself?

[Voltage]

Zumale,

Where did you get any of that? Did you do a census or carry out ethnographic research?

I mean you may be right or you may be wrong, but no one really knows because the Lower Jubba and especially Middle Jubba have been closed off.

Teeda kale, when was the last time the degmooyin in the lower Jubba Valley were looked at to account for almost 30 years of development? In the free states, like Galmudug almost every week a new "degmo" was recognized because of local activism.

Also why must one form of district organization be used?

The one for the national, Federal organization does not need to be the same as the one for local, Jubbaland organization.

In the US, I live in Washington State. Washington state has 10 districts at the national, Federal level. It has 49 districts at the State level

And then still every district has counties that really function as what Somalia calls DEGMOOYIN.

Somalia is ridiculous in that they are using Siyaad's old centralized system organization for a federal structure.

A centralized system has a TOP DOWN approach.

A federal system has a BOTTOM UP appproach.

Since Siad Barre, there have been couple new "degmooyin" in Gedo region recognized by Villa Somalia.

Most are bs for political expediency like all other so-called degmo announcements. Some minister will go here and this village is declared.

However, there is an interesting one named by Abdullahi Yusuf after lobbying from Marehan/reer Garaad clan. This "degmo" is Ceel-Cadde.

Ceel Cadde is recently infamous for the 200 men Kenya lost in that battle with Shabaab but it also was where SNF and Al Itihad officially endes the war in Gedo and Al Itihad formally disbanded.

But is Ceel Cadd a federal district? Is it a Jubbaland State district? Is it just simply a Gedo county?

Like the whole thing is confusing Somalia needs to totally reform how it reorganizes under Federalism.

A "degmo" named doesn't need to be a federal district. It doesn't even need to be a State Jubbaland district. Maybe it's just a county?

The problem is there is absolutely no distinction right now and we are using "degmo" as it was understood from TOP DOWN centralized approach for organizational expediency in a time when are engaging in BOTTOM UP grassroots federalized structure.

[Django]

Mk, no one is safe in Kismaayo, even Darood. The head of my own sub-clan was gunned down there and just yesterday you say the attack on wounding of the Majeerteen elder who was part of the opposition that wanted a different election.

Kismaayo is under a petty dictatorship functioning as a puppet for Kenyan control. Suldaan Rashiid was one of the senior most well known traditional leaders not only in Kismaayo but the whole country. I still remember when he and the Marehan traditional leader for Jubba, Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe Yaroow led that conference in Kismaayo early when the Kenyans came asking them to remove the Kamboni militia.

When finally Barre Hiiraale fought with the Kenyans and Kamboni only to lose and retreat to Goobweyn, Marehan whisked Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe out of Kismaayo. He has been temporarily headquartered in Mogadishu ever since waiting for the Kenyans to leave.

I am personally a huge fan of a strong friendship, brotherhood, and working relationship between Marehan and Gaaljecel in Jubbaland. Soon a time will come for serious reconciliation conference for Jubbaland and I hope in that time a serious accounting for the murder of Suldaan Raahiid Dhuraa will happen.

And who was safe under marexan terror occupation of Kismaayo for 9 years?

There was isbaaro all over lismaayo under huraale.You folks were killing everyone and anyone.

You were land grabbing public property like schools, military bases etc and building houses.

You are in essense a mooriyaan who thinks he is on a higher pedestal.

Also in Gedo where you golks live like Celwaq or bula xaawo or luuq etc here are the other clans that were natives where are the Garreh,Dir and Raxaweyne? You folks are so intolerant that you pushed them to non existance in those towns.
Go learn how to live with others.

[Voltage]

Mk, according to my Gaaljecel relatives, Gaaljecel is Gardheere Samaale but they became Hawiye for protection.

So basically this means Gaaljecel is an older Xawaadle. Gaaljecel is Gardheere Samaale and Xawaadle is Mayle Samaale. Both Gaaljecel and Xawaadle live with Hawiye. Both politically united with Hawiye.

But Gaaljecel did this long ago so time has smoothed out the relationship with Hawiye which is why it is completely Hawiye today whereas Xawaadle really just became this close after civil war even though they were still part of Hawiye sphere.

As for Jubbaland and your designation; I think it is a double edged swored.

Like Zumale said, as Hawiye I think you could take advantage of the pressure that would be on any credible Jubbaland initiative to be fair to "Hawiye." As one of the two principal Hawiye representations, obviously you would be in a good position to capitalize on this.

On the one hand, as Hawiye I think you could also be possibly and unfairly limited by reflections of the Darod-Hawiye rivalry/war/bad history which could show up in Darod being relatively less fair and more inhospitable to you. I maybe Darod but Darod are like Somalis as a whole; sometimes they could be vindictive for tribal reasons.

But all of this would have to be addressed in a fair, credible state building conference where Dahir Amin Jeesoow for instance can stand up for example and say no, we deserve more!

That would have to be the conference that will be established in Bu'aale where security will be gauranteed not by a clan militia like Kamboni and serious international and national representatives can be there to credibly intercede for fairness.

[guhad122]

Mk, no one is safe in Kismaayo, even Darood. The head of my own sub-clan was gunned down there and just yesterday you say the attack on wounding of the Majeerteen elder who was part of the opposition that wanted a different election.

Kismaayo is under a petty dictatorship functioning as a puppet for Kenyan control. Suldaan Rashiid was one of the senior most well known traditional leaders not only in Kismaayo but the whole country. I still remember when he and the Marehan traditional leader for Jubba, Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe Yaroow led that conference in Kismaayo early when the Kenyans came asking them to remove the Kamboni militia.

When finally Barre Hiiraale fought with the Kenyans and Kamboni only to lose and retreat to Goobweyn, Marehan whisked Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe out of Kismaayo. He has been temporarily headquartered in Mogadishu ever since waiting for the Kenyans to leave.

I am personally a huge fan of a strong friendship, brotherhood, and working relationship between Marehan and Gaaljecel in Jubbaland. Soon a time will come for serious reconciliation conference for Jubbaland and I hope in that time a serious accounting for the murder of Suldaan Raahiid Dhuraa will happen.

And who was safe under marexan terror occupation of Kismaayo for 9 years?

There was isbaaro all over lismaayo under huraale.You folks were killing everyone and anyone.

You were land grabbing public property like schools, military bases etc and building houses.

You are in essense a mooriyaan who thinks he is on a higher pedestal.

Also in Gedo where you golks live like Celwaq or bula xaawo or luuq etc here are the other clans that were natives where are the Garreh,Dir and Raxaweyne? You folks are so intolerant that you pushed them to non existance in those towns.
Go learn how to live with others.

This dude is sicko Walaahay. If he could just explain to us what Ogaden has done to him, maybe, just maybe we can provide some explanation. What he doesn’t know is that his fake and childish writing could drive crazy and emotion-driven OGs to act. To give you an example, I got invited to a teleconference in DDS a few weeks ago, and the main discussion topic was why Mareexan who border Makaahiil in many areas, doesn’t have a district in Doollo or Qorahey. Remember, the Shilaabo zone is part of Qorahey. It is Ina-Cagjar’s greater DDS Somali unity policy to basically placate all Somali clans at the border. People were talking about how Majerten used to have only Galaadi, and now possess many other districts such as Gal-Xumur and Bookh. For over 100 participants, no one wanted to hear Mareexaan and I contribute that to the stupidity of clueless folks like Voltage. For God’s sake, there are plans to create districts for Reer Xasan. What is wrong with this family that no one is willing to live side-by-side with them?

[Django]

Mk, no one is safe in Kismaayo, even Darood. The head of my own sub-clan was gunned down there and just yesterday you say the attack on wounding of the Majeerteen elder who was part of the opposition that wanted a different election.

Kismaayo is under a petty dictatorship functioning as a puppet for Kenyan control. Suldaan Rashiid was one of the senior most well known traditional leaders not only in Kismaayo but the whole country. I still remember when he and the Marehan traditional leader for Jubba, Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe Yaroow led that conference in Kismaayo early when the Kenyans came asking them to remove the Kamboni militia.

When finally Barre Hiiraale fought with the Kenyans and Kamboni only to lose and retreat to Goobweyn, Marehan whisked Suldaan Mohamed Madoobe out of Kismaayo. He has been temporarily headquartered in Mogadishu ever since waiting for the Kenyans to leave.

I am personally a huge fan of a strong friendship, brotherhood, and working relationship between Marehan and Gaaljecel in Jubbaland. Soon a time will come for serious reconciliation conference for Jubbaland and I hope in that time a serious accounting for the murder of Suldaan Raahiid Dhuraa will happen.

And who was safe under marexan terror occupation of Kismaayo for 9 years?

There was isbaaro all over lismaayo under huraale.You folks were killing everyone and anyone.

You were land grabbing public property like schools, military bases etc and building houses.

You are in essense a mooriyaan who thinks he is on a higher pedestal.

Also in Gedo where you golks live like Celwaq or bula xaawo or luuq etc here are the other clans that were natives where are the Garreh,Dir and Raxaweyne? You folks are so intolerant that you pushed them to non existance in those towns.
Go learn how to live with others.

This dude is sicko Walaahay. If he could just explain to us what Ogaden has done to him, maybe, just maybe we can provide some explanation. What he doesn’t know is that his fake and childish writing could drive crazy and emotion-driven OGs to act. To give you an example, I got invited to a teleconference in DDS a few weeks ago, and the main discussion topic was why Mareexan who border Makaahiil in many areas, doesn’t have a district in Doollo or Qorahey. Remember, the Shilaabo zone is part of Qorahey. It is Ina-Cagjar’s greater DDS Somali unity policy to basically placate all Somali clans at the border. People were talking about how Majerten used to have only Galaadi, and now possess many other districts such as Gal-Xumur and Bookh. For over 100 participants, no one wanted to hear Mareexaan and I contribute that to the stupidity of clueless folks like Voltage. For God’s sake, there are plans to create districts for Reer Xasan. What is wrong with this family that no one is willing to live side-by-side with them?

Kismaayo was no different under mooriyan huraale 9 year rule.
They pushed other clans out of the city and an exodus of landless squatters from.galgaduud.If marexan took over and ran JL I dont think other clans would survive.
Marexan have a funny culture of slowly and sytematically killing odey daqameed and intellectuals of other qabils.

Like in celwaaq when they were not able to remove Garreh from The town they signed a peace treaty with Garreh.Then they would target and assasinate every capable or outstanding individuals like the odeyaal daqmeed, the battle hardened warriors, doctors etc

When they finish of these individuals then they would restart the war .They tried this in Kismaayo after they lost 2013 battle.But They were taught a lesson by madoobes men.For every odey daqamed they kill 10 marexan were killed till they came to their senses.

[Voltage]

And who was safe under marexan terror occupation of Kismaayo for 9 years?

There was isbaaro all over lismaayo under huraale.You folks were killing everyone and anyone.

You were land grabbing public property like schools, military bases etc and building houses.

You are in essense a mooriyaan who thinks he is on a higher pedestal.

Also in Gedo where you golks live like Celwaq or bula xaawo or luuq etc here are the other clans that were natives where are the Garreh,Dir and Raxaweyne? You folks are so intolerant that you pushed them to non existance in those towns.
Go learn how to live with others.

While I will say Barre as a principal detested "isbaaro" and he wasn't what we consider a warlord in terms of dhaqan xumo, I freely admit he was a warlord in the strong man in the middle of civil war Somalia thing.

Ahmed Madoobe is allegedly an "elected" leader in post-transitional Somalia. That's why we critique him.

If he would take off his cimaamad and announce he is only accountable to Mohamed Subeer as a tribal warlord, wallahi I will shut my mouth. I mean wuu is cadayn lahaa.

Why do you compare the two people or situations?

Similarly, almost all of what you said about Gedo took place early in the civil war. Unfortunately Degoodiye and our Rahanweyn neighbors were armed participants to the conflict and expanded the battle lines when USC came and temporarily occupied Gedo. When MX moved down to counter-attack and defeat USC, the consequences of USC's defeat also unfortunately included Degoodiye and Rahanweyn who lived in Gedo fleeing with them.

I do not endorse any of this but just to provide context and also you have to remember how crazy this time was. Rearranging where people lived was nothing as many of these Marehan fighting USC were also themselves expelled from places like Mogadishu.

Garre was different and was not a participant of the coalition that fought us. It s unfortunate the clashes from 10 years ago with some Marehan sub-clans but today everything is peaceful and they absolutely do live in Ceel-waaq.

There is actually a rotating system for Ceel-waaq mayor. If Marehan is a mayor, the next mayor has to be Gare and vice versa.

[guhad122]

Check his preposterous entries into this thread when he, for the first time, found out that the world knew Kismaayo as Ras Ogaden:
https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=315575