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The reason the Marehan traditional leader was a "Goyta" instead of "Garad" in Harar/Adal

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*I am posting this as its own topic so it could be better found/accessed through google search*

On the issue of Hiraabe Goyta Tedros; I had previously explained that meaning of Goyta Tedrous and it's similarity to Hiraabe's family name of Rida-Amir in Marehan;
In Ge'ez derived Ethiopian Semetic languages

Goita = Gift of God
Tedros = Master/ Lord

Hiiraabe (and myself) are reer Rida-Amir

In Arabic
Rida = Gift of God
Amir= Master/Lord
What I did not know at that time was GOYTA was the highest title given by the Amir of Harar, and later by the Kingdom of Adal after they merged.

In fact, a Goyta was second only to Amiir and it was considerably higher than a Garaad!

Of course the irony here is we all overlooked the title of "Garaad" and just assumed it had Somali origins.

Well no, Garaad was not of Somali origins but a Harari title just like Goyta. The difference is Garaad was a relatively low title and widely applied since every clan had to have a Chief (a Garaad). Because of this wide application where every Somali had a Garaad, Somalis naturally adopted the title.

A Goyta was different. A Goyta was not widely applied and was a very high title; just below Amiir. There is only one Somali clan that was powerful enough to have a Goyta. This is why Somalis did not have time to adopt it, because it was very rarely applied and was very unique and particular to the government under Harar.

Conversely, the Muslim Oromo who invaded and subsequently occupied the lands immediately surrounding Harar did adopt the Goyta and Malaaq titles; the latter which they possibly passed on to the original inhabitants of southern Somalia, the Reewin/Rahanweyn whom the Oromo/Booran neighbored. To this day the highest traditional leaders in many Reewin and southern clans is "Malaaq."

Also, a Goyta was not a political position like a Wasiir (advisor to Amiir), or an administrative position like Malaaq (head of a district) or Garaad (head of a group of tribal villages), but a Goyta was a combination of both of those things in a defensive/military capability. It was actually very similar to the European concept of DUKE (which even today is only below the Royal family and superior to all other titles in Europe). Conversely, a Garaad was essentially just a Baron and Malaaq a Viscount.

Remember that Duke originates from the title of Dux in the Roman Empire. Basically it was a trusted General who was sent to lead a province and take all the Roman legions there under his command. It wasn't a military rank, but above it in that he was both the political and military leader of the province and not just a military commander.

Later, the European monarchies conferred "Duke" on the most powerful and wealthiest landowners with the largest number of banners who were expected to be the greatest source of defense in case of invasion. In many cases, Dukes were descendents of previous Kings as sons who could not become King were given Dukedoms.

Similarly, a Goyta was a supra political-military title conferred by the Amiir for the greatest possible defender of the city of Harar and of the Kingdom of Adal. In many cases, a Goyta in the city of Harar was the son of the Amiir and a number of Amiirs were Goyta before becoming Amiir.

Outside of the city of Harar, the Kingdom of Adal only conferred Goyta on someone who could protect the caravan/trade routes. To be able to do that, you obviously must have the strongest tribe, the most powerful militia, the greatest number of banners. You must be the manifestation of the King in his owm provinces!

Essentially you were what in Game of Thrones they called a "Warden of the East/West/North/South."

Exhibit A: Administration for Harar was organized this way;

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At the lowest end was Garaad who was an administrative agent of tribal village or related villages.

That was followed by a Dameen who supervised a Garaad or a group of Garaads.

That was followed by a Malaaq or Malak who managed one of the 5 divisions of Harar.

That was followed by a Goyta who was a Warden/Dux for defense.

Then the Amir capped that off as the Crown.

Exhibit B: Harar had 5 gates for defense. In charge of each Gate's defense was a Goyta who served both as key holder and commander.

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Exhibit C; The last Harari dynasty was the Daud Dynasty.

The founder Ali bin Dawud was promoted from Malaaq/Malak to Goyta and then became a civil servant as a Wasiir. He became the next Sultan.

Similarly, one of his grandsons was a Goyta in charge of Harar's walls.

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Exhibit D; Harar was an interior city and access to sea trade was an existential issue. As a result, it conferred title of Goyta on those who can GAURANTEE the safety and access of caravan routes from the interior to the coasts.

In words this is modest, but what it really says who is the Harari definition of the Roman Dux!

Image

Translation: "Goyta or Capo Carovana (Head of Trade) was a TITLE used in the Kingdom of Adal for the person who could not only guide but guarantee the smooth function of trade from the interior to the coast."

Who controls the most land? Who has the most banners? Who has control of the routes and access points? Very clearly this is why the traditional leader of the Marehan was a Goyta while all other tribal leaders was simply Garaad.

It is the biggest irony that what they thought was a insult is really simply just another expression of Marehan preeminence amonst the Somalis.

To bring this all together, there are a gazillion number of more examples including even in the Futuh where other Goyta are mentioned and who always function as carrying out the most important orders of the Imam.

Such as when the Imam announces declaration of war, he calls on Ahmed Goyta to raise the banners (first three tribes the Imam directs him to call on were Marehan, Geri, and Yabbare).

Or when the Imam wants the village of a traiter Garaad to be razed, he calls on Ibrahim Goyta to lead that aftack.

As for why it sounds like Amharic or Tigray, that's because the language of Harar was/is HARARI; a Semitic Ge-ez language very close to them.

In all three languages, Goyta is a title essentially meaning "Master/Lord."

Finally, I don't know where Tedros comes from, but just because we haven't yet come across it doesn't mean an explanation doesn't exist. Personally I would wager Goita Tedros goes together and was a singular and unique Harari title for the Marehan leading family. It probably meant "Guardian's of the Realm" implying defenders of God's land as the translation implies.

The fact the family name in Marehan that has stuck since (Rida-Amir) has the exact same translation supports this possible theory.

Or Tedros could have been a simple nickname or even a name without any controversy for Hiraabe's father. After all, even today the Somali president is known by the Western non-Somali name of "Farmaajo" and not even his birth given Muslim name of Mohamed Abdullahi.

The moral is history is not math. In math, if 1 + 1 doesn't equal 2; then it doesn't exist. In history, there are a million different possibilities for why something was recorded one way.

The search goes one, but at least now we all have a better understanding of Harari political structure. :up:
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In my research I think Futuh al Habesh was on the recount of Ethiopian origin, so the Goyta title was simply a lazy recount where the Arab author didn't ask him to name the Somali equivalent proper name. Of course this was the case as it is well known the recount was still slightly bias towards Abbysiniyia
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Re: The reason the Marehan traditional leader was a "Goyta" instead of "Garad" in Harar/Adal

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In the Futuh, there are multiple examples of the Imam utilizing a Goyta for his most important missions.

To declare war, the Imam sends a Goyta called Ali bin Adrah to call on the banners; starting with the first three tribes of Marehan, Geri, and Yabarre;

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To enforce Imam's actions against a tribe and their Garaad, Goyta named Allahmagan is tasked.

Notice he is Allahmagan bin Ahmed when describing his person, but Goita Allahmagan when describing his official task

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From most of the documents I've analyzed as well as the ones you've shared. Goyta is always translated as "Lord", so in the context of referring to an individual it is in deference to their rank in the land.

A passage in this peer reviewed document examining Harari history this is a translation that includes the phrase Goyta in a different frame of reference.

"Alla goyta mahārīwey" which means "God is a forgiving Lord"

https://www.academia.edu/5529158/2010_T ... e_of_Harar
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Re: The reason the Marehan traditional leader was a "Goyta" instead of "Garad" in Harar/Adal

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grandpakhalif wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:47 pm In my research I think Futuh al Habesh was on the recount of Ethiopian origin, so the Goyta title was simply a lazy recount where the Arab author didn't ask him to name the Somali equivalent proper name. Of course this was the case as it is well known the recount was still slightly bias towards Abbysiniyia
This is a larger issue that has come to my attention. According to the famous Ethiopialogist Cerrulli who was even the first Westerner to translate the Kitab Al -Faraid, the modern Futuh is neither original work nor a direct work nor even a complete work.

The modern Futuh was compliled by an Indian/Gujarati of the Yemenite school putting together some of the memory from people who claimed to have read the old Futuh and it is not even the full story.

So not only is the Futuh today not the complete stort but it's not even original or direct (likr they found half of Shihab's work). That probably explains so many of the inconsistencies and confusion.

For example Hiraabe is the son of Goita Tedros bin Adam which means for him to become chief Goita Tedros must have died.

Yet in another instance Tedros bin Adam is sitting with the Imam :?

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I will put together later the information concerning why these historians have cautioned about using the Futuh as a source.
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dalalos101 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:09 pm You can come up with excuses but it won’t change the fact that Goita Teodorus was a coward that was cursed by Imam Ahmed al Ghazi and the Imam, may God be pleased with him, was not Somali!
The topic is about the title Goyta, did you learn anything Xildiid or is every encounter with marehan for you a battlefield :lol:
There is a Somali saying far iyo meel bugtaa is og essentially describing the paranoia insecurity brings.

When your entire relavance in this topic is due to possible mistranslation/corruption of "Habar Makdi" in the incomplete/unoriginal Futuh in modern circulation, you could understand the existential fear driving a particular group.

I have no doubt this issue will be resolved soon.
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Xildiiid wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 10:30 pm
dalalos101 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:51 pm
Xildiiid wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 6:09 pm You can come up with excuses but it won’t change the fact that Goita Teodorus was a coward that was cursed by Imam Ahmed al Ghazi and the Imam, may God be pleased with him, was not Somali!
The topic is about the title Goyta, did you learn anything Xildiid or is every encounter with marehan for you a battlefield :lol:
Voltage, the coward, is trying to revise history and when he’s caught red handed he either cries to his brother who then bans his opponents or he goes into a self imposed exile for a few weeks before reappearing. This is his modus operandi.
Yeah but what is being discussed is not Mujahid Hiraabu exploits but rather the title that your iidoors keep making fun of thinking its his name, it was pretty obvious if you know anything about Harar that Goyta was a title and I think in this thread Voltage has closed that case, Goyta means Lord in relation to Adal kingdom, END OFF !

you welcome to keep yapping you primitive mountain gaallo madow :-@
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Re: The reason the Marehan traditional leader was a "Goyta" instead of "Garad" in Harar/Adal

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What a focking loser. Jesus Christ. Were you dropped ON THE HEAD as a kid? :lol:

IN THE FUTUH
IN THE FUTUH
IN THE FUTUH

The focking Futuh is IRRELEVANT. Are you STUPID???

If I just said the Futuh is a fake, unoriginal, and incomplete work and I will be presenting that information soon, why the fock would your crutch card be IN THE FUTUH, IN THE FUTUH, IN THE FUTUH???

Do you not understand in that pea-sized brain of yours that means NOTHING to me???

More over, did I not say I will be presenting definitive PROOF that the original Futuh BURNED and the present one mumbo, jumbo garbage from the "memory" of an Indian half a world away?

There is no Malasaai. It doesn't exist today, it didn't exist yesterday. It doesn't exist in the Ethiopian Kebra Negast, it doesn't exist in the Amharic chronicles. It doesn't exist in Portuguese accounts.

"Habar Magaaadle/Makadi" or whatever similarly doesn't exist in any other record as well. Let alone the fact there are 0 (ZERO) accounts of "Isaaq," a term you are known by even today and would have been even more known by when you were even more laangaab then!

But you know what DOES exist in other accounts from so many different sources??

MAREEXAAN!

Like I said, soon I will post the proof dealing with the farce that is the Futuh in current circulation so your IN THE FUTUH, IN THE FUTUH, IN THE FUTUH means jackshit to me!

This focker must have lead poisioning in his brain wallahi :idea:
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Voltage wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2019 2:13 pm *I am posting this as its own topic so it could be better found/accessed through google search*

On the issue of Hiraabe Goyta Tedros; I had previously explained that meaning of Goyta Tedrous and it's similarity to Hiraabe's family name of Rida-Amir in Marehan;
In Ge'ez derived Ethiopian Semetic languages

Goita = Gift of God
Tedros = Master/ Lord

Hiiraabe (and myself) are reer Rida-Amir

In Arabic
Rida = Gift of God
Amir= Master/Lord
What I did not know at that time was GOYTA was the highest title given by the Amir of Harar, and later by the Kingdom of Adal after they merged.

In fact, a Goyta was second only to Amiir and it was considerably higher than a Garaad!

Of course the irony here is we all overlooked the title of "Garaad" and just assumed it had Somali origins.

Well no, Garaad was not of Somali origins but a Harari title just like Goyta. The difference is Garaad was a relatively low title and widely applied since every clan had to have a Chief (a Garaad). Because of this wide application where every Somali had a Garaad, Somalis naturally adopted the title.

A Goyta was different. A Goyta was not widely applied and was a very high title; just below Amiir. There is only one Somali clan that was powerful enough to have a Goyta. This is why Somalis did not have time to adopt it, because it was very rarely applied and was very unique and particular to the government under Harar.

Conversely, the Muslim Oromo who invaded and subsequently occupied the lands immediately surrounding Harar did adopt the Goyta and Malaaq titles; the latter which they possibly passed on to the original inhabitants of southern Somalia, the Reewin/Rahanweyn whom the Oromo/Booran neighbored. To this day the highest traditional leaders in many Reewin and southern clans is "Malaaq."

Also, a Goyta was not a political position like a Wasiir (advisor to Amiir), or an administrative position like Malaaq (head of a district) or Garaad (head of a group of tribal villages), but a Goyta was a combination of both of those things in a defensive/military capability. It was actually very similar to the European concept of DUKE (which even today is only below the Royal family and superior to all other titles in Europe). Conversely, a Garaad was essentially just a Baron and Malaaq a Viscount.

Remember that Duke originates from the title of Dux in the Roman Empire. Basically it was a trusted General who was sent to lead a province and take all the Roman legions there under his command. It wasn't a military rank, but above it in that he was both the political and military leader of the province and not just a military commander.

Later, the European monarchies conferred "Duke" on the most powerful and wealthiest landowners with the largest number of banners who were expected to be the greatest source of defense in case of invasion. In many cases, Dukes were descendents of previous Kings as sons who could not become King were given Dukedoms.

Similarly, a Goyta was a supra political-military title conferred by the Amiir for the greatest possible defender of the city of Harar and of the Kingdom of Adal. In many cases, a Goyta in the city of Harar was the son of the Amiir and a number of Amiirs were Goyta before becoming Amiir.

Outside of the city of Harar, the Kingdom of Adal only conferred Goyta on someone who could protect the caravan/trade routes. To be able to do that, you obviously must have the strongest tribe, the most powerful militia, the greatest number of banners. You must be the manifestation of the King in his owm provinces!

Essentially you were what in Game of Thrones they called a "Warden of the East/West/North/South."

Exhibit A: Administration for Harar was organized this way;

Image

At the lowest end was Garaad who was an administrative agent of tribal village or related villages.

That was followed by a Dameen who supervised a Garaad or a group of Garaads.

That was followed by a Malaaq or Malak who managed one of the 5 divisions of Harar.

That was followed by a Goyta who was a Warden/Dux for defense.

Then the Amir capped that off as the Crown.

Exhibit B: Harar had 5 gates for defense. In charge of each Gate's defense was a Goyta who served both as key holder and commander.

Image

Image

Exhibit C; The last Harari dynasty was the Daud Dynasty.

The founder Ali bin Dawud was promoted from Malaaq/Malak to Goyta and then became a civil servant as a Wasiir. He became the next Sultan.

Similarly, one of his grandsons was a Goyta in charge of Harar's walls.

Image

Exhibit D; Harar was an interior city and access to sea trade was an existential issue. As a result, it conferred title of Goyta on those who can GAURANTEE the safety and access of caravan routes from the interior to the coasts.

In words this is modest, but what it really says who is the Harari definition of the Roman Dux!

Image

Translation: "Goyta or Capo Carovana (Head of Trade) was a TITLE used in the Kingdom of Adal for the person who could not only guide but guarantee the smooth function of trade from the interior to the coast."

Who controls the most land? Who has the most banners? Who has control of the routes and access points? Very clearly this is why the traditional leader of the Marehan was a Goyta while all other tribal leaders was simply Garaad.

It is the biggest irony that what they thought was a insult is really simply just another expression of Marehan preeminence amonst the Somalis.

To bring this all together, there are a gazillion number of more examples including even in the Futuh where other Goyta are mentioned and who always function as carrying out the most important orders of the Imam.

Such as when the Imam announces declaration of war, he calls on Ahmed Goyta to raise the banners (first three tribes the Imam directs him to call on were Marehan, Geri, and Yabbare).

Or when the Imam wants the village of a traiter Garaad to be razed, he calls on Ibrahim Goyta to lead that aftack.

As for why it sounds like Amharic or Tigray, that's because the language of Harar was/is HARARI; a Semitic Ge-ez language very close to them.

In all three languages, Goyta is a title essentially meaning "Master/Lord."

Finally, I don't know where Tedros comes from, but just because we haven't yet come across it doesn't mean an explanation doesn't exist. Personally I would wager Goita Tedros goes together and was a singular and unique Harari title for the Marehan leading family. It probably meant "Guardian's of the Realm" implying defenders of God's land as the translation implies.

The fact the family name in Marehan that has stuck since (Rida-Amir) has the exact same translation supports this possible theory.

Or Tedros could have been a simple nickname or even a name without any controversy for Hiraabe's father. After all, even today the Somali president is known by the Western non-Somali name of "Farmaajo" and not even his birth given Muslim name of Mohamed Abdullahi.

The moral is history is not math. In math, if 1 + 1 doesn't equal 2; then it doesn't exist. In history, there are a million different possibilities for why something was recorded one way.

The search goes one, but at least now we all have a better understanding of Harari political structure. :up:
Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks for info cuz do you happen to have the history of Imaam Dhooweyd and Cali Kaar? Imam Dhoweyd was reer Garaad religious leader. I will list some of the reer Garaad leaders inshallah
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Mustafee101 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:39 am Thanks for info cuz do you happen to have the history of Imaam Dhooweyd and Cali Kaar? Imam Dhoweyd was reer Garaad religious leader. I will list some of the reer Garaad leaders inshallah
The only Dhaaweyd I know is the supposedly lost Faarax Ugaas one Amxaarada Gindir (Gondar) ku maqan, but if that Cali Kaar is like Diiriye Caali Kaar, who doesn't know sxb? Reer Faarax Ugaas committed injustice against reer Garaad (hence Fadhi Garaadle) but Cali Kaar was the leader of Mareexaanka Ximan.

Even Ugaas Mohamed Weli Sheekh Axmed, I used to think it was bs until first my dad and then other Marehans told me he really is Ugaas. Apparently in the FIRST batch of Marehan Guri to move away, rer Garaad guy who was the ancestor of Mohamed Weli was the head. When they were moving along south through what is Ethiopia today and entered present-day Somalia through what is Bakool, at Xuddur area Mohamed Wali's ancestor was chosen as the chief of the Marehan group before moving west toward Luuq.

Mohamed Wali's father was therefore an Ugaas as was his grandfather and great-grandfather.
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