Didn't I say the modern Futuh is a fake and there is no "Malasaai tribe"

[Voltage]

In the face of serious historical records presented recently including 1935 German translations of old Amharic records, some people have taken to trolling us with the Futuh Al -Habesha's allegation that Amir Nur, and Imam Ahmed for that matter, are from the "Malasaai" tribe.

Didn't I say the modern Futuh in use is a complete fake and there is absolutely no tribe called Malasaai?

You will notice that some people on this board love to use the Arabic language version of the Futuh for "authencity."

The Arabic language version was written in 1974 by the Egyptian Fahim Shaltut.

The English version we all use was written in 2003 by the Catholic priest Stenhouse.

Virtually EVERY SINGLE FUTUH Al-HABESHA IN MODERN PRINT is translated from Rene Bastet's French translation Histoire de la Conqûete de l' Abyssinie written in 1898.

Rene wrote his translation and annotation using the French traveler Antoine D'Abbadie's sourcing.

D'Abaddie found two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MANUSCRIPTS purporting to be the Futuh Al-Habesha of Arab Faqih.

One was from Gujarat in India purporting to have been finalized and edited by Arab Faqih's Zaydi Yemenite religious cohorts.

D'Abbadie picked the Gujarati Indian Futuh and discounted the even less authentic on because it would never live down the taint and discredit.

And thus today every single version of the modern Futuh Al Habesha in print is frim the French translation of Rene Bastet sourced from the French traveler D'Abbadie and the random choice he made between two random manuscripts completely different to each other both claiming to be the manuscript of Arab Faqih.

And what information have I collected to show what a complete bullshit it is.

For example, Cerulli found the same exact duplication of events and stories, AS IN VERBATIM, written in an Indian Gujarati book purporting to be an Arabic history of the Gujarat region of India!

On Cerulli finding the modern Futuh Habesha is neither complete nor even written by Arab Faqih (at least completely)



Cerulli finding particular sections of the Futuh that are a DIRECT reproduction from the manuscript the Arabic history of Gujarat by "Al Ulughani"



At least Cerulli gave the benefit of doubt where intent is concerned, but there are some scholars who question if "Arab Faqih Shihab ad-Din" was even real.

There are a number of suspiciously similar "Futuh" (conquest) manuscripts purporting to describe the Islamic conquest of a number of places who all repeat the same stories and events. They just change around the names and people involved.

Maybe Arab Faqih wasn't even real and the Futuh Habesh was a big ruse; who knows, but that's not where I am going. This particular post is just to contextualize the "Malasaai" issue.

Apparently the Futuh alleges "Malaasai" was the "tribe" of Imam Ahmed Gurey and Amir Nur.

Ever been puzzled at Malasaai? Where is this mythical Malasaai people? Where did they come from? Who were they? How come no one heard of them? Why does no one claim them today? We see Marehan, we see Girri, we see Yabbare, but where is Malasaai?

This mythical Malasaai tribe literally vanished in thin air. No one heard of them before and no one heard of them after?

Well don't be confused anymore.

Malasaai was literally the Amharic word for "Moor" aka "Muslim" aka ALL of the people following Imam Ahmed.

It was relevant only in so far as the Portuguese was temporarily there and all the tribes and groups had united into a single Muslim force led by Imam Ahmed.

Remember that the Portuguese then were coming out of a long rule of the Iberian peninsula by the Moors of North Africa.

Both the Spanish and Portuguese called any Muslim a "Moor" and they called all the Muslims in the Imam's camp "Mooro"

The Amhara adopted the word Moor as "Malasaai" in their dealings with the Portuguese to collectively describe the Muslim forces of Dar Sacad ad-Din; the local name for Adal then similar to the local Somali use of "Xamar" for Mogadishu.

It's like Somalis heard English and adopted the word "Ingiriis" which they incidentally use to describe all the people of the British Isles regardless of whether English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, Cornish, etc.



So yes, Ahmed Gurey was Malasaai. Amir Nur was Malasaai. So were the Marehan the Giri, the Yabarre; virtually ALL of the Adalalite Muslims.

The Gujarati Indian heard Ahmed Gurey was Malasaai (aka Moor aka Muslim) and thought "yup, that's what I'll write down his tribe as."

Ilaahoow ceebteena astur. To think of how much emotional investment people gave something that is very obviously inauthentic.

P.S. I will be presenting more definitive take on the Futuh's historiography when I finish reading all this information.

[Voltage]

What is this loser talking about?

Do you mean to say it has been 3 days since I said in due time I will present why the modern Futuh Al Habesha is a fake, incomplete, and original document that has nothing to do with original work by Shihab ad-Din?

I still have not presented it? I am not even 1/5 of the way done reading all the relevant information.

The information above is only to contextualize the ridiculously misused word "Malasaai."

Ironically enough, that the Futuh is inauthentic, incomplete, and unoriginal is more widely known than I thought.

I passed some of the information I came across to a Somali scholar I know and his literal reply was "I am aware of all of this. The book has never been treated as an academic source, and it has long been discounted as a narrative description for methodological reasons."

When I asked him to explain what all that means, he basically implied the book is worthless as a scientific research matter. It can be used in "qualitative research" but not as "fact gathering."

I actually question why I was not aware of this before, but obviously probably because I never carer to look at it more in depthly.

In any case, we now understand that Malasaai was a misappropriation of the general Amharic term for the entire Muslims of Adal (corresponding to the Portuguese word Moor aka Muslims).

We also understand that the modern Futuh is a doctured manuscript without any historical authencity. Something I will still present in concise form for people on Google search to start somewhere if they are just starting to research the Futuh.

Beyond all that, what entertains me are pathetic, and almost primitive-like tribal resentments displayed by people like the troll above (I refuse to believe anyone can be so shameless to respond to this topic with "The futuh says"). Sorry, refuse to believe you aren't a troll unless you actually have a medical condition that totally blocks depth perception in one's brain.

It's these primitive tribal resentments that drive the Isaaq paranoia gainst Marehan on this board as evidenced by the Habar Jeclo wierdo Xildiiid.

Ku kahaa "The Futuh says the Imam is Malaasaai."

Never minding the trolling aspect of the statement after contextualing what Malasaai was, the thing that most stands out is the display of RESIGNATION.

They have become resigned to the fact there is no mention of "Isaaq" anywhere in any original document associated with this history.

Their only thin grasp to this entire history is the possible mistranslation (if not complete distortion) of "Habar Makadi" which the Isaaq claim is the Isaaq "Habar Magaadle" and the Gudabiirsi claim is their "Habar Makadoor."

The imposition of the Habar Jeclo poster above ( Xildiid) is even more freudian (as in displaying resignation because of weird insecurity complex) when you realize Habar Jeclo comes under the appelation of "Habar Xabuush" in Isaaq and not Habar Magaadle and even if Habar Magaadle may have contributed, his Habar Jeclo are still no where in this history!

It's like Marehan seeking legitimacy from Majeerteen history.

He shares that weird Freudian-like insecurity with the other Habar Jeclo whiner called Bendover.

They are not even in this focking history! Why are they so emotionally invested?

Damn, talk about a chip on your shoulder.

Troll, you aren't getting any more response from me on this issue. Keep it moving.

[original dervish]

And this dear snetters is what maddness looks like.

[theyuusuf143]

last two decades the isaaqs had the upper hand in all academic based facts of SNet. For the first time the marehans are gaining some strength . I invite our biggest scholar Dr X.playa to challenge Mr Voltage about this malaasai case. If malaasai were just an other name for Muslims , then Mr voltage has the rights to claim that historical figure from harar (was it nuur mujaahid or gurey, I don't know ).

Let's give credit where it's due , Mr voltage is trying his best discover New things , but he is a coward because he does not enjoy debates instead he always run to HIS OGA AT THE TOP . I demand the the immediate release of all isaaq futuh alhabash scholars. Including Ramzzy the great , and Ben dover the magnificent. Let's heat up the debate.

[Voltage]

Someone really needs to control the trolling in our section. I don't care what trolls do in General section, but serious MX history posts in Gedo section should be a troll-free zone.

[Murax]

Voltage this is actually very fascinating, beneficial knowledge I’ve been enjoying and sharing with others. Makes me incredibly proud too. Excellent job smashing the flimsy counterarguments with academic research. Keep it coming. Good job not desecrating it with trollnimo

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Why are Isaaqs so interested in MX history? We don't be in their threads.

[Typhoon]

futux had many volumes, they were compiled in a manuscript forum not in a book format

the story of futux went on to describe emir nuur and other successors of ahmed gurey

futux was a genesis of a conquest, if you want the original you might find it in british raj(some of the colonist might hold it in their british houses contact family members), yemen and france.

ottoman archives might also contain it(not first hand but a diplomatic description of events and characters)

abadirs history is in egypt and syria but it will take allot of time to locate the documents, because they not archived numerically.


well done voltage

[Voltage]

Typhoon-

Forego all those assumptios. I am still reading but if the modern Futuh was life jacket, you would have already drowned going by the amount and size of holes in its historiagraph.

[Voltage]

Voltage this is actually very fascinating, beneficial knowledge I’ve been enjoying and sharing with others. Makes me incredibly proud too. Excellent job smashing the flimsy counterarguments with academic research. Keep it coming. Good job not desecrating it with trollnimo

Murax, this is what happens when something is presented as cardinal truth without looking into whether it was critiqued or critically looking at it yourself.

I guess I have never been that interested in the Futuh to look more closely at it.

The Imam is from the Malasay "tribe" ku kahaa. This issue is exactly like "Goyta" which I was able to contextualize the second I cared to.

This is the definition of Malasay in the dictionary of our Abbysinian friends even today.



Oh look, Malasay....just the Abbysinian word for Muslim.

I posted above the Portuguese old text directly saying the Ethiopic word "Malaysay" corresponds to their word of Moor aka Muslim.

Here the Portuguese directly borrow that Ethiopic word to describe the Imam's kingdom;



"He is the King of the Moors who call him Emir" (The Imam was not the King of a tribe or an ethnic group but of a poly-ethnic nation).

Notice also it is the Portuguese who give us the clarification of "Malasaay" since the word in question arose from their arrival and introduction of "Moor"aka
Muslim.

As Cerulli said above the modern Futuh is neither complete nor original; at least part if it is proven to have been produced in Gujarat, India.

Like I said, the Gujarati Indian heard Ahmed Gurey was Malasaai (aka Moor aka Muslim) and thought "yup, that's what I'll write down his tribe as."

Otherwise such a simple mistake would not have been made by an original account when the historically established and authenticated Ethiopian and Portuguese texts all clearly describe Malasay was no tribe or ethnic groups but a religious appellation for the opposing Muslim forces whom the Portuguese originally labeled "Moors."

[DalJecel60]

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[Xildiiid]

Boon,

Why did your brother delete my post? Your second post is a reply to what I wrote.

If you want a fair debate let’s go but it’s obvious you’re afraid of debating hence your brother PerfectOrder and Smile deleting replies in order to protect you.

With that said, the existence of my clan does not revolve around Adal because neither Adal nor the Abyssinians controlled our territory. Disproving your revision got nothing to do with my clan but as usual you resort to Ad Hominems and Straw man arguments.

[Voltage]

Don't you love hubris. Ku kahaa "debate."

There's no debate when one has facts and the other opinion. Keep it pushing please.

[Murax]

Voltage this is actually very fascinating, beneficial knowledge I’ve been enjoying and sharing with others. Makes me incredibly proud too. Excellent job smashing the flimsy counterarguments with academic research. Keep it coming. Good job not desecrating it with trollnimo

Murax, this is what happens when something is presented as cardinal truth without looking into whether it was critiqued or critically looking at it yourself.

I guess I have never been that interested in the Futuh to look more closely at it.

The Imam is from the Malasay "tribe" ku kahaa. This issue is exactly like "Goyta" which I was able to contextualize the second I cared to.

This is the definition of Malasay in the dictionary of our Abbysinian friends even today.



Oh look, Malasay....just the Abbysinian word for Muslim.

I posted above the Portuguese old text directly saying the Ethiopic word "Malaysay" corresponds to their word of Moor aka Muslim.

Here the Portuguese directly borrow that Ethiopic word to describe the Imam's kingdom;



"He is the King of the Moors who call him Emir" (The Imam was not the King of a tribe or an ethnic group but of a poly-ethnic nation).

Notice also it is the Portuguese who give us the clarification of "Malasaay" since the word in question arose from their arrival and introduction of "Moor"aka
Muslim.

As Cerulli said above the modern Futuh is neither complete nor original; at least part if it is proven to have been produced in Gujarat, India.

Like I said, the Gujarati Indian heard Ahmed Gurey was Malasaai (aka Moor aka Muslim) and thought "yup, that's what I'll write down his tribe as."

Otherwise such a simple mistake would not have been made by an original account when the historically established and authenticated Ethiopian and Portuguese texts all clearly describe Malasay was no tribe or ethnic groups but a religious appellation for the opposing Muslim forces whom the Portuguese originally labeled "Moors."

Makes perfect sense. Why would non Somali speakers use Non-Somali names? They would use names they understand.

[Lalune]

Another informative post! Of course some losers had to come out and try to shit on this topic.