2013. Is it Voltage who was right about Kenyan or is it Sahal? Who changed position?

[Voltage]

Wallahi waa yaab.

My position in 2013 is exactly my position today.

Yet look at Sahal, ku kahaa Kenyan will be taking the Ahmed Madoobe local maamal out of the way and giving Hassan Sheekh control over administration.

Look how naive this guy was.

I recognized Kenya exactly for what it was; their political finger prints were like their Bantu neighbors in central Africa who all carved for themselves their areas of rule in the Congo.

Is my support for the Somali government on this issue ABOUT FARMAAJO or has it always been support to the Somali government even with a Hawiye president against Kenya disrespecting Somalia's sovereignty?

This was my topic in 2013 after Kenya told the Hassan Sheekh gov they can't come to Kismaayo because they can't secure their safety when Kenya just took over Kismaayo from Shabaab!

Hassan Sheikh is a damn coward
PostSat May 25, 2013 1:23 pm

Madoobe, Madoobe, Madoobe...It was never about this weak geezer. It's the focking Kenyans that are the problem!

Kenya has thousands of men in Kismaayo and how much arsenal including armored PC's and helicopters? Kenyan troopa control the airport, the sea port, and disarm Madoobe in 20 mins.

How the hell are planes turned around from Kismaayo airport, government ministers and officers not allowed to leave the airport if they descend, and then tell the government committee already present that Kenya "can't secure their safety."

Blatent indha adeeg such as this needs equal and opposite indha adeeg. You have to shake up the factors a bit whenever stagnation occurs so there is a new momentum.

Yet the President goes on bilateral meetings with Kenya and sits with them at tables the whole world is watching and praises them, thanks them, and treats them like the best supporters and most honest military force to come into Somalia. This is some central Africa type schit where the leaders of countries being torn apart holds hands with leaders of countries tearing up their countries.

Where the hell is Abdullahi Yusuf to call Kenya out in the middle of the London Conference? Some might think schit like that is over the top, but that's the type of game changer which will keep Kenya in her place.

In the last IGAD meeting, the president mentioned in a small indescript way that KDF doesn't show the partnership the rest of AMISOM shows so let us hope it was the hint a new public approach is beginning to keep them in line.

https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 0&t=327743

Look at this guy Sahal's completely naive (and really completely childish thinking when you look back)

Voltage wants hassan sheekh to act like siyaad barres win or lose, that is craziness. Hassan sheekh wants to win or to not lose.
Secondly, it was not the kenyans who stopped them, they let more madoobes army to spread in the airport with his own orders telling them to not land.
Anyways it was sorted out through amisom and the ministers will be arriving there tomorrow.
Why are you clashing with kenya when its president recognized the govts efforts to set up an administration in kismayo in his own words and not recognizing the existing maamul in kismayo?
Maybe hassan sheekh plays with kenya in their way by provoking them to rash action.

Kenya was holding Kismaayo for the Somali gov huh and it's president recognized Hassan Sheekh's right to set up an administration there huh? This guy was completely under thr influence that Kenya was like a normal member of AMISOM as opposed to acountry with long term strategic interest in Jubbaland that wanted to wrench it free from government hands?

And isn't it ironic it is the same Hassan Sheekh that was embarrassed to that level in his own country now fighting to legitimize the same occupation of Kismaayo that made him toothless in his own country.

Wallahi waa yaab

[AbdiWahab252]

Okay. So why was the ICC maritime case delayed?

[Voltage]

Okay. So why was the ICC maritime case delayed?

The 'ICJ" case had been delayed multiple times throughout the past 6 years because of Kenya.

That's why we didn't already settle the issue ages ago.

It's not even a delay, it's legally called a "continuance" where a court of law defers a lot to the defense since they have been brought unwillingly to court.

Remember that WE sued Kenya so the Court has deferred a lot to Kenya in terms of preparation as the defensive party.

Kenya recently changed its entire defense team (lawyers) and has argued it needs the time.

Why hurry this case and risk Kenya's argument for not abiding by a decision being they weren't given time to prepare instead of just giving them one more continuance?

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage Kenya is running down the clock. Their cabal of turncoats are being bought time.

[Voltage]

Abdiwahab,

Issues relating to counsel/lawyer are almost always grounds for continuance in the interest of justice. The judge will not even address the "merit" of the issue, but simply approve.

A year continuance is practically nothing since we are facing the 11th hour and the only thing left is the trial.

Whatever their intent, I doubt Kenya can achieve anything in this time they haven't achieved when we were much weaker in the last 6 years.

[Voltage]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuance

[Voltage]

Voltage Kenya is running down the clock. Their cabal of turncoats are being bought time.

Btw, you and I haven't always had the most amicable interaction, but I would actually cosign with Murax and say I am actually quite proud to call you a fellow countryman. There are no two parties that have injured each other more than your community and mine in the civil war yet your rational outlook and measured perspective even when criticising the Farmaajo government is I think very admirable and an example for all of us if we are actually going to reconfigure this damn country.

It's quite different to a guy like Sahal who see his little goof in Beled-Weyne and nothing else. Guys like him can't imagine a future Somalia that we can all aspire to. It's just the little present shenanigans in this confusing time that is the extent of their calculus so if the gov overrules his elders in a small local issue (which elders should have no say in to begin with), who cares if a foreign country takes a 1/3 of the country as long as his clan doesn't live there? Such small minded people acuudi bilaah. People like that never enter a history book for GREATNESS.

[sahal80]

kkkkk dont interpret my words against me.
the new admin i was talking about was ahmed madoobe himself getting appointed for JL instead of the saarkambooni admin. at that time hassan sheekh was with uhuru in some nice country side house and they agreed to recognise a new raakamboni led admin but appointed by the Somali govt. after they agreed principally the file was moved to addis. i always stated thst ahmed mafoobe will be rocognized when u used to say "sky is closer to him than becoming JL president"

i wrote this in june 2013 before heshiiskii addis wich took place in august 2013
"Well, without involving in clan matters let us put it as for the politicians who were againist him... They got defeated in every stage. However, ahmed madoobe is staying for a local reasons, he can add his personal power to the govt. He will be the governor of all jubbaland for a year."

he was governor for two years!



https://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewto ... 2#p4058075

[Voltage]

War waxaad taqaanid majirtee iska aamus. What happened to Abshir Buqaari btw and all the fake crap you "interpreted" just from news picture?

[grandpakhalif]

Sahal how much time is left for farmaajo and khayre? You predicted infighting years ago yet it still hasnt happened!

[sahal80]

War waxaad taqaanid majirtee iska aamus. What happened to Abshir Buqaari btw and all the fake crap you "interpreted" just from news picture?

kkkk Voltage sxb you sound like you gone mad. wasnt you who was misquoting me saying bukhaari is preparing motion against Farmaajo when i just said he is SFG official even madoobe said he represents the govt! the same way your misquoting me again for some thing i said in 2013

Sahal how much time is left for farmaajo and khayre? You predicted infighting years ago yet it still hasnt happened!

they had many clashes but never comes out bc they agree on one thing; if one of them goes including fahad yasin the rest r over. they had clashes over cabinet reshuffle when kheyre tried to appoint mucaaradka HG like Mahad Salad. they have big mistrust cuqdad. why kheyre was in PL for deni inauguration? do PL need to host both prez and pm at the same time? No. but why? yaan lagu xaman! Galmudug it was planned for the interior minister to close shirka but then we saw Farmaajo closing it...Kheyre personally doesnt talk about JL? at the end of the day both r candidates and will go separate ways. waxaa isku haaya, Fahad yasin iyo qatar. anyways 15 months to go now wait until the mid of the next year.

[Voltage]

Sahal,

Ma xishootid miyaa walalalow? It's not wrong to say I ws wrong you know? You have been consistently wrong on this and practically everything you have ever said EXCEPT that Hassan Sheekh/Dam Jadiid had a good shot to win in 2012.

That's the only thing you have been right on and probably because as someone in Mogadishu you knew how much bribe money Dam Jadiid amassed.

On the case, at least 5 times (FIVE TIMES ) you said Farmaajo would take Kheyre to Parliament over No Confidence vote.

You have been spectacularly wrong on this.

It's not even just the relationship between President and Prime Minister, but even the way Parliament functions had changed after they realized Farmaajo signaled the end of the way to run things.

Even the relationship between Parliament and the Executive has changed.

Sxb good governance starts at the TOP.

Farmaajo is not Mother Theresa, but in Somali terms we can say Farmaajo was really the end of the transition not Hassan Sheekh.

It's not only that we have the same PM, or that Parliament no longer wastes time on frivolous stuff expecting bribery from the President, but also we have the same CABINET with few exceptions like death or resignation/performance issues like the minister who grew up in refugee camp (killed by Shabaab), Yusuf Garaad (resigned), or Juxa (bad performance).

The main cabinet is still there. Showing the issue altogether is about a new way of doing business that Farmaajo originally promised in his campaign.

1. He said he would have one PM.

He has had one PM 3 years later.

2. He said he would have one government.

The same Cabinet is still here 3 years later with few exceptions.

3. He said Parliament will not deal with Villa Somalia squabbling.

Parliament has not taken up a single Villa Somalia originated confidence vote.

Look at the other quraafaad you peddle. Ku kahaa Kheyre wanted to make Mahad Salaad a minister? Yusuf Garaad was the HG minister promised immediately and he PERSONALLY recommended his replacement; a quiet, educated hardworking guy that we have all come to respect.

Who the hell in their right mind would have ever named the loud mouthed, short, shuluq who was extremely anti-Farmaajo and well known Dam Jadiid hatchet boy Mahad Salaad???

Indho adakaa. If Kheyre even once brought up Mahad Salaad, Farmaajo would have told him to pack his focking bags and get out!

[sahal80]

you know mursal was wasiir at kheyre? this change has to do with kheyre who fears motion not Farmaajo but you think every thing is single-handedly done by "mooge" Farmaajo kkkk what a deluded person! dont you know he has 54 mps who are wasiirs at the same time? him blaclmaling the speaker? him getting rid of guddiga naaliyada? there is also Fahad yasin like i said they all work as one group but they got this mistrust for example kheyre doesnt like farmaajo meeting HAG mucaarad like he was trying in PL "by pressure from deni" therefore kheyre followed him the same way Farmaajo didnt like kheyre madoobe meetings in Kismaayo when he called him the president kheyre!

i had one best friend before he married to a girl he was in love with her crazly. i tried to stay away from him and give him his space after he got married but they both insisted to visit them every time not just in outside. the girl was controlling him she want to be with us if we go outside therefore i had to vidit him in his his house. mashallah we will eat the best food from her hand. after few months we went out to some lake in some summer but there was big silent it was very boring i asked them if there is any problem they said no. apparently they had big khilaaf that why they wont took to each other. after a year and half they got divorced he was in hospital for two weeks i couldnt believe all his excuses that is missing bc she works in another town and that its him who asked her to not visit him bc of her work. he would ask me to go to his house and look after it and bring him any papers . after three weeks i met her girl friend at some place and she told me she moved out they got divorced before he gone to hispital!

i told him he was lying to me he said to me they break up atleast three times before but now he is done with her

this is normal couple what do you think two guys who are managing a country like somalia? voltage believes they never clashed kkk

[SultanOrder]

Sahal, you misunderstand voltage or you are purposely changing the conversation so you sound like you are right. What Voltage is clearly saying is that ever since Farmaajo was elected, you have been predicting his imminent departure or Khayre's imminent departure. Of course there can be clashes and differences but what you failed to recognize or you couldn't believe that their clashes was not the same as previous clashes of president's and their prime ministers. At the same time, to excuse your own failings in not understanding the situation, you maligned and misrepresented the dynamics of their relationship. You peddled and continue to peddle this idea that Farmaajo is an idiot and it is really Khayre that is in charge.

Sahal, you have an African mentality through and through. You are so used to disfunction between president and prime minister that you can't accept any other option. You are so used to each one trying to be the dictator that you can't see when each one recognizes and limits themselves to their respective roles and duties. Khay're is the head of government and has been doing the majority of this work, Farmaajo is head of state which is why he represents Somalia in the international state and rarely speaks about issues relating to the administration.

Give credit where credit is due and be the bigger man. Just say you underestimated N&N, and that they have given a great example of how a President and Prime Minister should behave for the most part.

[sahal80]

Sahal, you misunderstand voltage or you are purposely changing the conversation so you sound like you are right. What Voltage is clearly saying is that ever since Farmaajo was elected, you have been predicting his imminent departure or Khayre's imminent departure. Of course there can be clashes and differences but what you failed to recognize or you couldn't believe that their clashes was not the same as previous clashes of president's and their prime ministers. At the same time, to excuse your own failings in not understanding the situation, you maligned and misrepresented the dynamics of their relationship. You peddled and continue to peddle this idea that Farmaajo is an idiot and it is really Khayre that is in charge.

Sahal, you have an African mentality through and through. You are so used to disfunction between president and prime minister that you can't accept any other option. You are so used to each one trying to be the dictator that you can't see when each one recognizes and limits themselves to their respective roles and duties. Khay're is the head of government and has been doing the majority of this work, Farmaajo is head of state which is why he represents Somalia in the international state and rarely speaks about issues relating to the administration.

Give credit where credit is due and be the bigger man. Just say you underestimated N&N, and that they have given a great example of how a President and Prime Minister should behave for the most part.

Yes kheyre runs but i said every thing he does benefits Farmaajo in the Long term. Farmaajo appointed Kheyre and left for him run most of xukuumada and the security i think you shpuld read for one mx kid who is mucaarad to kheyre he met him and farmaajo gets daily informed by mp gaal eri and one Farmaajo adviser who is called balal osman he toook pics with them. he wrote about kheyre article called "dhagarqabe gabanaya" these mx mucaarad use ths kid to karbash kheyre this started when he visited kismaayo markii danbana kheyre faruhuu kala baxay JL si uu iskudirka mx isaga ilaaliyo. that guy tells you how kheyre runs banaadir security and other important govt elements saying all this waa inqilaab for doorashada! it caused a big war between mx and murursade in social media.

but im diffrent analyst i can post for you many times i said Farmaajo is not mooge waa is moogeysiinayaa. example the recent ckash with hiiraan elders he wont take the blame bc kheyre has spoken to them directly saying he will cut funds from ciidanka. one oday caamo ah said how can he reach this decision in phone without even informing Farmaajo!!

jawaari met secretly with damjadeed in nairobi then kheyre decided to oust him despite farmaajo dhexdhexaadin that failled. this made Farmaajo as the last executive power to have more centralized order; puppet speaker and ally pm. what remained is both collideding at the end. Farmaajo resigned as pm bc he was an ally with sharif so sakiin put a condition for his resignation . current speaker is a victim of this alliance betwen a pm who protecting himself from a motion and a president who relys on him. mursal was in kheyre cabinet that says all and mr voltage see one of the great visions of Farmaajo kkkk

sxb labadii wax ku heshiisa waa isku soo jeestaan hadhoow. listen to this mx guy caamcaam. i swear to god i told geeljire long tome ago mx getting appointed for dhuusamareeb based 21aad this guy was changed by kheyre to a HG guy who is more loyal to him. if you guys dont see all these evidences then you guys are in self denial keep your qabiil wadaniyad mashallah every thing is fine in this great N&N kkkk

my point is their khilaaf will come out sooner or late but im not god i dont have my fingers in their quluub. kheyre is better for farmaajo in the short term but in the long term one must claim glory. hada waxasn kuu sheegaa waxeey isku khilaafeen sharciga doorashada oo markii hore kheyre ogolaadey. farmaajo has no regional backing wuxoo rabaa in xisbiyo lagu saleeyo instead of odayaal kadaa number will be a located for avery party to win them waxa la sameynaa hal deegaan doorasho single electoral district xisibii codka ugu badan hela aa guulaysanaya. the law is under parliament committee review ex hawadle minister abdirizaq is mamber of them. hada kheyre ayaa kula heshiiyay in maamulada laga keeno markii uu HG iyo waxaan soo dhsmaystey asagoo leh its anti-federalism xaalka farmaajana waa ogtajay JL iyo PL. anywats im out keep dreaming on tawrada kkkk