Why does the opposition think we care about IC when it comes to internal politics of Somalia?

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

N&N doesn't care about the IC. We did things that went against their press releases. Including SW elections and other things. Now we are back with int'l financial institutions. It'll only get worse. SFG will only get more assertive. This isn't the era where the central govt was weak and dominated by Puntland and the British deep state via UNSR such as Nicholas Keating and Haysom.


N&N will get more belligerent to assert national sovereignity. Not less.

[AbdiWahab252]

Well how much of N&N security and financial assistance comes from the IC?

Those AMISOM are funded by the IC. Last I checked they were the guarantors of security for the N&N leadership

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Well how much of N&N security and financial assistance comes from the IC?

Those AMISOM are funded by the IC. Last I checked they were the guarantors of security for the N&N leadership

SNA is rapidly rebuilding it's capabilities. We won't need them in a year's time. Believe me or not. The next 6 months will be the most fascinating time in Somali history. And historians will come back and say this is the era when we got our balls back.

[Voltage]

Saddam-

No.!.!.!.


The exclamation marks represent the urgency and the gravity of the mistake I feel young and gullible Somalis are making when they make the wrong conclusions about the recent successes of Nabad iyo Nolol.

I am thinking of starting a Twitter page dedicated solely to Critiquing and Highlighting some of these wrong conclusions.

The page will not be about tribes, partisan politics, even subjective history.

It will be strictly non-partisan, not pro or against anyone.

We need to correct our understanding of nationality, understand the CULTURE of democracy, point out the features of Good Governance, and we must NEVER repeat the mistakes of "greater Somalia".

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Saddam-

No.!.!.!.


The exclamation marks represent the urgency and the gravity of the mistake I feel young and gullible Somalis are making when they make the wrong conclusions about the recent successes of Nabad iyo Nolol.

I am thinking of starting a Twitter page dedicated solely to Critiquing and Highlighting some of these wrong conclusions.

The page will not be about tribes, partisan politics, even subjective history.

It will be strictly non-partisan, not pro or against anyone.

We need to correct our understanding of nationality, understand the CULTURE of democracy, point out the features of Good Governance, and we must NEVER repeat the mistakes of "greater Somalia".

I don't care about greater Somalia. I care about Somalia. I care primarily about my region. I will never accept dominance of other clans from other regions, first of all, Puntland.

[Voltage]

Some of the things I noticed just this week

1. CO-EXISTENCE VS. PERPETUAL CONFLICT
   
   1. IRREDENTISM
      • EVIL; EXPRESSLY AT WAR; ALREADY DESTROYED SOMALIA
   2. NATIONALISM
      • BAD, MOTIVATED AGAINST OTHERS, ZERO SUM MENTALITY, VANTAGE POINT IS IN PERPETUAL OFFENSE
   3. PATRIOTISM
      • WHAT WE NEED TO BE, NOT AGAINST ANYONE BUT FOR YOUR NATION, MUTUALLY INCLUSIVE MINDSET, POSITIVE
2. TERRA'S WIDELY DISSEMINATED PRO-MILITARY PIECE
   1. DON'T BLAME THE ADULT FOR BEHAVIORAL ISSUE YOU DIDN'T CORRECT WHEN THEY WERE A KID
      • TERRA SAID THE COMMANDER "AND HIS MINISTER OF DEFENSE
      • INNOCENT BUT POSSIBLE EXISTENTIAL THREAT LATER
   2. WE ARE A DEMOCRACY WITH CIVILIAN ELECTED LEADERSHIP IN CONTROL OVER THE MILITARY
      • IT IS THE MINISTER OF DEFENSE AND "HIS COMMANDER OF FORCES"...Minister is the boss
3. INDEPENDENCE VS XENOPHOBIA
   1. BE AWARE, BE CONSCIOUS, NOT EVERYONE IS YOUR FRIEND
      • BUT MOST AREN'T YOUR ENEMY AND ESPECIALLY BE EQUITABLE WITH DONORS AND IC
      • EQUITABLE MEANS CONTINUE GETTING UP SOMALIA AND CARVING YOUR SPACE...
        • BUT DO NOT B4 UNGRATEFUL, SELFISH, ARROGANT, AND DEFENSIVE AND HOSTILE
   2. WORLD HAS DONE A LOT AND IS DOING A LOT TO HELP...BE GRATEFUL AND APPRECIATIVE EVEN WHILE CONTINUING TO TAKE BACK OWNERSHIP....
      • IF THE OPPOS ARE TRYING TO MONOPOLIZE IC NAME AND MANIPULATING THEIR IMAGE IN YOUR MIND, FIGHT AGAINST THAT TOO..DO NOT LET THEM DRIVE THE WEDGE THEY WANT...THEY ARE NOT THE IC'S CHOICE EITHER

ETC ECT ETC.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Voltage,

The world hasn't said shit when Gedo was being bombed. I don't trust int'l institutions. I don't believe in "globalism" I believe in nationalism for Somalia. Whether you or others think it is Pan-Somalism. I don't care. I have and always will be suspicious of foreign nations. That is me though.

[Samatalis249]

Saddam is telling the truth waa nin rag ah. Voltage is the old fox and doesn’t want to get hawiye riled up before power is consolidated but he essentially believes the same thing. Caydiid is the only man with balls to come from hawiye he knew the reality. The civil war is not over for darood especially marexaan till they get control of the state and consolidate power. They are fighting a war of attrition. They even invited foreign troops to invade Somalia from the US to the Ethiopians to the Kenyans to counter balance the power gap.

Hawiye are like the civilians in kings landing with no qabil they’re just individuals. They’re not a clan family. Nin darood ah ba elites gooda bah dili Kara and they’ll support the darood man who says silly slogans like qaranimo. A darood won’t accept qaranimo from a darood let alone a hawiye but a hawiye will accept it from a darood.

The last time a hawiye man has ruled darood was Adan cadde. Hawiye presidents only have juristition over other hawiyes.

[Voltage]

Voltage,

The world hasn't said shit when Gedo was being bombed. I don't trust int'l institutions. I don't believe in "globalism" I believe in nationalism for Somalia. Whether you or others think it is Pan-Somalism. I don't care. I have and always will be suspicious of foreign nations. That is me though.

I think the same thing when I once chastised Grandpa for his calaacal about Darodnimo and Majerten.

I am not saying you are in the throes of calaacal, but lamenting or disappointment are functions of EXPECTATION.

I DO NOT expect anything from anyone I have not mutually confirmed beforehand.

As such, I don't have any impassioned feelings toward Majeerteen. We are politically opposed to each other therefore but my feelings about them is neutral not inflamed.

Similarly, Kenya is the enemy of Marehan. Unless you are actively involved in helping them attack Marehan, I do not have ANY EXPECTATIONS for any IC to come and do something.

If they intrude and help our side in this fight, I am appreciative for any possible help but I do not expect it.

Similarly my relationship with them independent of my problems with Kenya are judged independently AND ON THEIR OWN MERIT.

Is the IC doing something? They are involved in development and they contribute to alleviating food insecurity,etc.

THEN THOSE ARE THE AVENUES TO JUDGE MY INTERACTION WITH INDEPENDENT OF MY PROBLEMS WITH KENYA----WHICH AGAIN ARE MY PROBLEMS UNLESS I HAVE MUTUALLY CONFIRMED SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE WHO CAN NOW BE EXPECTED TO FOLLOW THROUGH.

Generally, I find unsolicited expectation to be an expression or entitlement although this view is extreme.

I mean literally this is just my own personal philosophy.

If I am getting mugged right there and you are there. If you help me, I appreciate it and will be indebted, but if you do not interfere and do nothing, my feelings about you are neutral. Unless you told me you had my back, I have no expectations and no entitlement to your help.



The things the IC says they will do----I will have expectations and will hold them to it. But other than, I do not expect anything from them.

[Voltage]

Saddam is telling the truth waa nin rag ah. Voltage is the old fox and doesn’t want to get hawiye riled up before power is consolidated but he essentially believes the same thing. Caydiid is the only man with balls to come from hawiye he knew the reality. The civil war is not over for darood especially marexaan till they get control of the state and consolidate power. They are fighting a war of attrition. They even invited foreign troops to invade Somalia from the US to the Ethiopians to the Kenyans to counter balance the power gap.

Hawiye are like the civilians in kings landing with no qabil they’re just individuals. They’re not a clan family. Nin darood ah ba elites gooda bah dili Kara and they’ll support the darood man who says silly slogans like qaranimo. A darood won’t accept qaranimo from a darood let alone a hawiye but a hawiye will accept it from a darood.

The last time a hawiye man has ruled darood was Adan cadde. Hawiye presidents only have juristition over other hawiyes.

Hi Eaglehawk.

[Samatalis249]

Saddam is telling the truth waa nin rag ah. Voltage is the old fox and doesn’t want to get hawiye riled up before power is consolidated but he essentially believes the same thing. Caydiid is the only man with balls to come from hawiye he knew the reality. The civil war is not over for darood especially marexaan till they get control of the state and consolidate power. They are fighting a war of attrition. They even invited foreign troops to invade Somalia from the US to the Ethiopians to the Kenyans to counter balance the power gap.

Hawiye are like the civilians in kings landing with no qabil they’re just individuals. They’re not a clan family. Nin darood ah ba elites gooda bah dili Kara and they’ll support the darood man who says silly slogans like qaranimo. A darood won’t accept qaranimo from a darood let alone a hawiye but a hawiye will accept it from a darood.

The last time a hawiye man has ruled darood was Adan cadde. Hawiye presidents only have juristition over other hawiyes.

Hi Eaglehawk.

I’m not Eaglehawk I’m SalaxBaashe aka MajorIgaare aka ImamAhmed and when I get blocked again I’ll probably make an account called the FaqashKiller. You can tell I’m telling the truth because voltage is accusing me of being random people.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Voltage,

The world hasn't said shit when Gedo was being bombed. I don't trust int'l institutions. I don't believe in "globalism" I believe in nationalism for Somalia. Whether you or others think it is Pan-Somalism. I don't care. I have and always will be suspicious of foreign nations. That is me though.

I think the same thing when I once chastised Grandpa for his calaacal about Darodnimo and Majerten.

I am not saying you are in the throes of calaacal, but lamenting or disappointment are functions of EXPECTATION.

I DO NOT expect anything from anyone I have not mutually confirmed beforehand.

As such, I don't have any impassioned feelings toward Majeerteen. We are politically opposed to each other therefore but my feelings about them is neutral not inflamed.

Similarly, Kenya is the enemy of Marehan. Unless you are actively involved in helping them attack Marehan, I do not have ANY EXPECTATIONS for any IC to come and do something.

If they intrude and help our side in this fight, I am appreciative for any possible help but I do not expect it.

Similarly my relationship with them independent of my problems with Kenya are judged independently AND ON THEIR OWN MERIT.

Is the IC doing something? They are involved in development and they contribute to alleviating food insecurity,etc.

THEN THOSE ARE THE AVENUES TO JUDGE MY INTERACTION WITH INDEPENDENT OF MY PROBLEMS WITH KENYA----WHICH AGAIN ARE MY PROBLEMS UNLESS I HAVE MUTUALLY CONFIRMED SOMETHING WITH SOMEONE WHO CAN NOW BE EXPECTED TO FOLLOW THROUGH.

Generally, I find unsolicited expectation to be an expression or entitlement although this view is extreme.

I mean literally this is just my own personal philosophy.

If I am getting mugged right there and you are there. If you help me, I appreciate it and will be indebted, but if you do not interfere and do nothing, my feelings about you are neutral. Unless you told me you had my back, I have no expectations and no entitlement to your help.



The things the IC says they will do----I will have expectations and will hold them to it. But other than, I do not expect anything from them.

I'm just reminding the opposition that Somalia is reasserting it's national sovereignity. With respect to IC, we thank them for their help. Laakin, we NEVER tanaasul on our region and interests. That's all I said. I understand what you're saying. But nationalism is back in Somalia. And it is my millennial generation pushing it. There will come a time when a national figure will come and push out the foreign influence in Somalia, I'm old school in that sense. I don't trust MJs or Puntland. They'll always be antagonistic towards our interests. Why should I be kind and nice to my enemies? I consider PL an existential threat as they were the ones to legalize KDF under the AMSOM banner. That was Abdiweli Gaas. My generation of MX are more cold and hostile to Puntland than yours. It will reflect MX politics soon enough.