The Argument On The Election?

[Osob101]

I honestly don’t understand what the hell both sides on the argument are talking about or even fighting for. My personal opinion is two fold.

1) Do I want the election to be postponed? Absolutely not because obviously I am in the opposition of the current government in power.

2) Do I feel like not holding the election is worth a civil war and going back years in progress? HELL NO

Why can’t these fools in the government and opposition just come up with a solution that is satisfactory to both sides and think about the nation instead of their pockets and power? From even reading just this site, it’s either people are adamant for the election to happen at all cost or the government has to get the extension at all cost LOL. I feel like am all alone in my opinion and the only undecided person

[paperino]

I honestly don’t understand what the hell both sides on the argument are talking about or even fighting for. My personal opinion is two fold.

1) Do I want the election to be postponed? Absolutely not because obviously I am in the opposition of the current government in power.

2) Do I feel like not holding the election is worth a civil war and going back years in progress? HELL NO

Why can’t these fools in the government and opposition just come up with a solution that is satisfactory to both sides and think about the nation instead of their pockets and power? From even reading just this site, it’s either people are adamant for the election to happen at all cost or the government has to get the extension at all cost LOL. I feel like am all alone in my opinion and the only undecided person

3) What would change for the average Somali who is suffering if there's an election or extension? Very little.

[Osob101]

The change being peace and a process of governance for the next generations to come and hopefully a better world than ours.

[AbdiWahab252]

The change being peace and a process of governance for the next generations to come and hopefully a better world than ours.

Change will not come unless the electoral process is changed. You have a system which is disconnected from the realities on the ground. The so called political establishment are not representative of those they claim they govern and is manifested by how weak the FGS and FMS are. Will an election change things? Not in the current form.

We have made progress compared to where things were 20 years ago but haven’t had any major shift on the ground since FG founding 2007: insurgents still control the Majority of the country, the capital is still insecure, the political infighting has retarded progress, the FGS authority is still mainly confined to Benadir

[Murax]

Osob101,

Incase dagaal dhaco I will come rescue you commando style

[Murax]

The change being peace and a process of governance for the next generations to come and hopefully a better world than ours.

Change will not come unless the electoral process is changed. You have a system which is disconnected from the realities on the ground. The so called political establishment are not representative of those they claim they govern and is manifested by how weak the FGS and FMS are. Will an election change things? Not in the current form.

We have made progress compared to where things were 20 years ago but haven’t had any major shift on the ground since FG founding 2007: insurgents still control the Majority of the country, the capital is still insecure, the political infighting has retarded progress, the FGS authority is still mainly confined to Benadir

Mps who pay elders laaluush to get parliament seats, pick the president a lot of times based on laaluush. MSB AUN once said nin gaajaysan gob maaha. Since the civil war and poverty Somalis became obsessed with shaxaad, laaluush.

Until the day all the districts are liberated, and voting districts are opened in every district expect more of the same. Even that won’t change much because it might take Somalis 40 years to learn how to be decent voters!

[zidane88]

It is deep rooted issue than elections, Power and greed are the two main factors behind the whole shebang. Let us not forget as well, the bloodless-coup that propelled Siad Barre to power, and how it pans out...the same thing that opposition groups are wary of repeating it.
Barre's then mandate was to prepare the country for general elaction within limited time, which later turned into bloody dictatorship rule of 21 years.

Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles, cut corners, and have taken diffrent direction than the agreed one hence the suspicion of oppsition groups. Lastly, there's always the anti-establishment group (xaaraan-ku naaxayaal) whose intention is to never get any functioning government as it destroys their interest.

[Samatalis249]

It is deep rooted issue than elections, Power and greed are the two main factors behind the whole shebang. Let us not forget as well, the bloodless-coup that propelled Siad Barre to power, and how it pans out...the same thing that opposition groups are wary of repeating it.
Barre's then mandate was to prepare the country for general elaction within limited time, which later turned into bloody dictatorship rule of 21 years.

Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles, cut corners, and have taken diffrent direction than the agreed one hence the suspicion of oppsition groups. Lastly, there's always the anti-establishment group (xaaraan-ku naaxayaal) whose intention is to never get any functioning government as it destroys their interest.

What lead to the coup was propaganda against the legitimate government and the killing of the president by the armed forces and the imprisoning of the prime minister.

In my humble opinion the opposition are not in the wrong. Infact way samreen from when the parliament was taken over by the military and the speaker was forced to step down at gun point to the various flagrant violations like the humiliation of CCW and the killing of his staff to the inviting of non amisom Ethiopian troops to by means of force interfere with the internal politics of Somalia killing scores in baydhaba. Farmajo has shat all over the constitution, if the constitution and rule of law are not what the country works on then it will be the qori waana laysu laandheerayn. In 2020 a diaspora politician is leveraging a civil war for him to get an extension. Hortay who will even fight for him. Personally I believe if blood is shed it is farmajos fault and he should be put on trial and shot but most likely he will shed some blood some civilians will get killed some aargosi will happen but he won’t have a scratch on his head. This is why somalia is in a loop of failed statism.

[zidane88]

Samatalis, If the government continues this way no mistake there would be a bloodshed and back to square one. We have had smooth transitions of power from successive Presidents but this one looks it is going to be roughed up.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

It is deep rooted issue than elections, Power and greed are the two main factors behind the whole shebang. Let us not forget as well, the bloodless-coup that propelled Siad Barre to power, and how it pans out...the same thing that opposition groups are wary of repeating it.
Barre's then mandate was to prepare the country for general elaction within limited time, which later turned into bloody dictatorship rule of 21 years.

Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles, cut corners, and have taken diffrent direction than the agreed one hence the suspicion of oppsition groups. Lastly, there's always the anti-establishment group (xaaraan-ku naaxayaal) whose intention is to never get any functioning government as it destroys their interest.

Well said. Completely agree.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

I honestly don’t understand what the hell both sides on the argument are talking about or even fighting for. My personal opinion is two fold.

1) Do I want the election to be postponed? Absolutely not because obviously I am in the opposition of the current government in power.

2) Do I feel like not holding the election is worth a civil war and going back years in progress? HELL NO

Why can’t these fools in the government and opposition just come up with a solution that is satisfactory to both sides and think about the nation instead of their pockets and power? From even reading just this site, it’s either people are adamant for the election to happen at all cost or the government has to get the extension at all cost LOL. I feel like am all alone in my opinion and the only undecided person

To be honest I don't think Opposition would refuse to sit down with Dowladda together with FMS and discuss the next step. Remember Hassan sheikh and Sheikh Shariif already sat down with Farmaajo after the beledweyn incident. Remember how Farmaajo refused media to be part of the meeting.

Look how quiet dowladda are. Too much signs of in doorasho la dooneyn.These suspicions started already in the beginning of 2019.

Also remember how Hassan sheikh a year before the election said he cannot deliver 1M1V and doorashada will be based on a parliamentary vote. Secondly Farmaajo was so against extension by HSM why should we accept extension by him now?

Thirdly wixii la qariyo qurun aa ku jirtaa is my motto.


Now I'm sitting back and watching this. Mudulood grand conference in 3 weeks. Will be interesting to see.

[Samatalis249]

Samatalis, If the government continues this way no mistake there would be a bloodshed and back to square one. We have had smooth transitions of power from successive Presidents but this one looks it is going to be roughed up.

It doesn’t even make sense why is Farmajo being begged to hold an election. The last year and a half the opposition have been asking him to start the process it’s not by accident or cilad farsamo he just doesn’t want to hold an election.

[zidane88]

Samatalis, one would also coincide Farmaajo's drop of US citizenship as a sign that he would be there for the long run. Time will tell.

[Nomand]

It is deep rooted issue than elections, Power and greed are the two main factors behind the whole shebang. Let us not forget as well, the bloodless-coup that propelled Siad Barre to power, and how it pans out...the same thing that opposition groups are wary of repeating it.
Barre's then mandate was to prepare the country for general elaction within limited time, which later turned into bloody dictatorship rule of 21 years.

Now, this government had skipped many constitutional articles, cut corners, and have taken diffrent direction than the agreed one hence the suspicion of oppsition groups. Lastly, there's always the anti-establishment group (xaaraan-ku naaxayaal) whose intention is to never get any functioning government as it destroys their interest.

1) what constitutional articles was skipped by this government give us examples

2) what was the agreed direction? and how did this government take the country in a different direction

answer those two questions, you can't just write stuff without any backup

[ReerGarowe]

Samatalis, one would also coincide Farmaajo's drop of US citizenship as a sign that he would be there for the long run. Time will tell.

A second possibility of Farmajo renouncing US citizenship is so that when he's no longer president he would leave Somalia for a third country (Qatar, Turkey etc.) and look to escape being held accountable by US and/or Somali courts for crimes he has committed